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Old 11-14-2010, 10:07 PM
 
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I was also looking at Maryland demographics in general...and it SEEMS like you have stronger German and Irish immigrants in the State....which also mixed in with that Scots-Irish or British or whatever you call the people who were here with the original 13 colonies of America.

I mean, in general, most of the Germans went to the Midwest in high numbers...I always assumed they kind of bypassed states like Maryland (as you just don't see those numbers in most northeast states)...but seems to be that Maryland was a destination state for them. (Whereas as far as I know, most southern states, even like Virginia wouldn't have had much of any German immigration - just like the northeast didn't).

The Irish...generally they went everywhere...but seems Maryland also was a place for them as well. Catholic influences as such, where I would suppose once you cross into Virginia...maybe loses a Catholic flavor?
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: 5 years in Southern Maryland, USA
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I was also looking at Maryland demographics in general...and it SEEMS like you have stronger German and Irish immigrants in the State....which also mixed in with that Scots-Irish or British or whatever you call the people who were here with the original 13 colonies of America.
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I mean, in general, most of the Germans went to the Midwest in high numbers...I always assumed they kind of bypassed states like Maryland (as you just don't see those numbers in most northeast states)...but seems to be that Maryland was a destination state for them. (Whereas as far as I know, most southern states, even like Virginia wouldn't have had much of any German immigration - just like the northeast didn't).

The Irish...generally they went everywhere...but seems Maryland also was a place for them as well. Catholic influences as such, where I would suppose once you cross into Virginia...maybe loses a Catholic flavor?
Northern and Western MD (Baltimore and westward into the panhandle), as well as much of PA, and the Shenandoah Valley of VA, have many German-descended people. Some of them migrated south from PA in the late 1700s, while others landed in the port of Baltimore after the 1848 German political unrest.

All of MD west of Chesapeake Bay, rural as well as urban, has a very large Catholic population, ever since the first European settlers landed in 1634. MD originally in fact, was the only one of the 13 colonies to tolerate Catholics at all. Many MD Catholics have normal English-sounding last names and even speak with country drawls. The USA's first Catholic college (Georgetown), its first basilica (Baltimore), its first convent (Mr. Carmel), and its first declared Saint (Eliz. Seton) are all associated with the area. Interestingly, MD (like Louisiana) also has many African-Americans whose families have remained Catholic since slavery times.

The Catholic population in VA is quite small, except in its metropolitan areas which have received great in-migration of Military and Fed. government personnel. Catholics are also few on the Eastern Shore of MD ("Delmarva region") which is traditionally Methodist. Consequently, MD was earlier than VA in allowing racetracks, slot-machine gambling, and privately-run liquor stores.

MD has produced several prominent Greek people - like Vice President Spiro Agnew, Sen. Paul Sarbanes, Orioles owner Peter Angelos, and county executive Ted Venetoulis.

MD has as many Irish-descendents as anywhere else, including traditionally policemen, firemen, city politicians, and construction contractors. However, the Irish culture of MD is not as visible or celebrated as it is, say, in the Boston, MA and NY City areas which continue to receive young Irish immigrants even now.

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Old 11-15-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I was also looking at Maryland demographics in general...and it SEEMS like you have stronger German and Irish immigrants in the State....which also mixed in with that Scots-Irish or British or whatever you call the people who were here with the original 13 colonies of America.

I mean, in general, most of the Germans went to the Midwest in high numbers...I always assumed they kind of bypassed states like Maryland (as you just don't see those numbers in most northeast states)...but seems to be that Maryland was a destination state for them. (Whereas as far as I know, most southern states, even like Virginia wouldn't have had much of any German immigration - just like the northeast didn't).

The Irish...generally they went everywhere...but seems Maryland also was a place for them as well. Catholic influences as such, where I would suppose once you cross into Virginia...maybe loses a Catholic flavor?
More evidence that Maryland is NOT a Northeast state. Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore were settled like the rest of the coastal south, largely English and African. The area north and west of Baltimore was settled by Germans in various waves, children of the originial English settlers moving west, and the Scots-Irish headed towards the back country.

You should read Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fisher. It is all about the original settlement of the East Coast and how the 4 primary waves of immigrants impacted the folk culture, dialect, and settlement patterns we see today. Maryland has populations of 3 of the 4 groups. We have the "cavaliers" from the coastal south, the Germans from PA, and the Scots-Irish from the border country. We lack the Puritian groups that settled in the Northeast.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Let me tell you that Maryland is NOT known for attractive people. At least most outsiders believe so. According to a recent poll conducted by Travel & Leisure, Baltimore is the second ugliest city in the country and DC is the sixth ugliest city in the nation.

America's Most and Least Attractive People- Page 16 - Articles - Travel + Leisure

America's Most and Least Attractive People- Page 20 - Articles - Travel + Leisure

I understand that there is probably a huge amount of bias in this survey seeing as the most beautiful cities were predominantly sunny places with lots of White, Asian/Pacific Islander or Latino people. My guess is most of the people who participated in this survey were average educated middle income White men. However, there is a huge element of truth to this poll as there is a bit of truth to every stereotype. See how Miami and Southern California cities topped the most attractive people city list? It is no coincidence that the entire porn industry is based in both Miami and Southern California. It is also not by chance that there aren't many jaw dropping exotic beauties walking around Baltimore City, PG County or Howard County like there are in California or South Florida either.

Although Maryland is full of very well-educated, high-income and successful people in most of its suburban areas in the Baltimore/Washington corridor, we are severely lacking in the eye candy department. Most people in Maryland are average, thoroughly unremarkable and forgettable looking folks. Everybody kinda blends together and looks the same after a while. The other remaining percent of native Marylanders are actually quite repulsively hideous. I am glad I am originally a California native and missed out on inheriting the shallow Maryland gene pool (Everybody can tell I wasn't born in Maryland just by looking at me). Baltimore is full of ugly people both Black and White. My guess is the lack of diversity, closed minded insider culture, ghettoization and historical segregation have stagnated the gene pool in places like Baltimore and DC and some of their outlying suburbs.
I didn't even click on that link because i do not have to actually read it to know its mostly ignorance and lack of personal experiences in the places mentioned. I dont know about everyone, but in the Black community Maryland is WIDELY known for having so me of the sexiest black women in the US. On par with ATL, Houston, LA etc. and I can put that on anything.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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I think the reason why places like Miami and San Juan, Puerto Rico rated high on the most attractive city list is because many of the residents of these cities are Latinos that have generationally diverse multiracial backgrounds. Dominicans, Cubans and Puerto Ricans are all descendants of hundreds of years of interracial mixing. According to many studies, people from multiracial backgrounds are more likely to be physically fit and attractive because having a diverse gene pool makes an individual healthier from a Darwinian standpoint.

Mixed-race people are the most attractive, finds British study | Mail Online

However, unlike Latin American countries and American cities like Miami, Maryland has always been very segregated by custom. Generations of Blacks and Whites have remained separate for centuries in this area. Baltimore and DC are two cities where outsiders are shunned by natives. It has gotten to the point where the gene pool is simply stagnant in this area as I stated in my previous post. There has been a lot of distant inbreeding going on in Maryland and it is obvious. I know this because everyone I can tell I'm not a Maryland native because I am obviously mixed and "exotic" looking to Marylanders. Most of the immigrants in the Baltimore/Washington Area seem to be very ethno-centric and ghettoize themselves as well. In my opinion, the gene pool in MD is like a frozen microwave TV dinner with all the separate races of people being artificially preserved and not touching each other and mixing whereas other areas are more like a fresh tasty melting pot stew. More liberal places like NYC, LA and The SF Bay Area have always been more open to interracial couples, mixed people, different demographic groups than MD and are more cosmopolitan which accounts for a much more diverse gene pool overall.
Ok U sound absolutely stupid now, where do you live at exactly? DC is Chocolate City, dont get it twisted. The city is till 50-60% black Baltimore is 60% black PG County is like 70% + these are 3 jurisdictions all within 30 miles...Idk where you hang out on a regular basis, but there are all kinds of exotic Dominican, Ethiopian, Trinidadian, Indian, Columbian etc. women walking all around the DMV area Montgomery county included. This is still one of the most diverse metro areas in the country. There are mixed couples, black couples, and white couples living in DC MD and VA, maybe not in your suburb of wherever you stay but on my side of town i see about 10 new beautiful women everyday..No their not running around in bikinis like this is South Beach, their dressed in business suits and skirts with high heels and a smile on there face and 80k in their bank account.
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Old 11-15-2010, 04:37 PM
 
Location: The Bay and Maryland
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Goldie Locks, do you realize there has been a MASSIVE influx of people of all races, colors and creeds that have come into Maryland in the last 60 years? Any talk of a "stagnant gene poll" around Washington and Baltimore is just plain wrong.
I disagree. Having been born outside of the Baltimore/Washington corridor, there are many different types of people you simply won't see in this area. For example, where I'm from in California, there are a lot of Samoans and Tongan people. The average Baltimore native thinks a Samoan is a type of pizza. In addition, Maryland lacks the diversity found in nearby Northeastern cities like Philly where there are large Puerto Rican, Chinese, Italian and mixed race populations. All these types of people wouldn't last a day in Baltimore because of all the intolerance and the ugly homogeny that exists in the City. I remember I was in Philly earlier this year on South Street getting a haircut and the female barber cutting my hair asked me where I was from. I told her I was born and raised in California but residing in Baltimore. She told me that she was born in Baltimore. She then went on to explain the biggest difference between Philly and Baltimore. She said Philly was more a much more cosmopolitan and open-minded place with people who are mixed with everything and anything. In Baltimore, she said that race was a much more important factor and that she was even harassed as a child because she wasn't Black enough in Baltimore but was okay in Philly. I completely understood where she was coming from seeing as I was harassed when I first moved to Maryland as a teenager in Baltimore schools because I was mixed and wasn't really White or Black.

I'm sorry, the gene pool IS stagnant in Baltimore. It is one of the most segregated places in the country. Go to the Mondawmin Mall area or Edmondson village and see if there are anything but 90% Baltimore born Black natives a handful of White natives and a couple bullet-proof Korean owned businesses. If the gene pool isn't stagnant out here then why are half of the Black people that live in different places around my neighborhood all blood related in being cousins and uncles and aunts. It is obvious Maryland natives don't know what diversity and integration looks like. The truth hurts.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1204928.html

What makes Baltimore so ugly is that there aren't a whole lot of happy people in the city. There are a lot of stressed out cigarette smokers, self medicating alcoholics and angry looking folks. Where I'm from in California is filled with friendly, accepting, easy going pot smokers to be honest. Similarly, the DC Area is a stress capital. Even though DC Area folks are among the highest paid individuals in the country, DC tops the list in terms of stress. Just drive on the beltway during commute time or any time of the day and get the picture.

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Old 11-15-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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So Goldie Locks you are basing all of Maryland on your experience in Baltimore City? Ever been out to the county, ever been to Montgomery County? Maryland is one of the most diverse states in the nation.

One of the great things about Maryland is that there are still places where families live in close proximity to each other. I live less than 2 miles from both of my parents. My grandparents are about 3 miles and 10 miles away respectively. My family has lived in Allegany County for over 200 years and I am proud that my friends, family, and community have a cohension that only multi-generational living can create. There is no way to describe the feeling of knowing your home, your ancestors, and yourself in this personal and tangable way.

I feel sorry for you if you believe this type of living leads to an ugly inbred one-race gene pool. Hitler also had some pretty strong feelings on the relative beauty of the races and racial crossing. He even had plenty of subjective data, just like you, to back up his opinions. There is no practical difference between assuming that people of multi-racial backgrounds are more attractive, or biological fit to survive, than thinking that a person of one race is genetically superior. I'd like to think that eugenics is an idea whose time had come and past, but I guess not.

You can have your easy going, beautiful mixed-race, chilled out, pot smokers as neighbors. I will take my friends and family.

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Old 11-15-2010, 07:46 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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There is no way to describe the feeling of knowing your home, your ancestors, and yourself in this personal and tangable way.
I get great satisfaction in knowing that when I move into my new apartment next week I'll be the third generation to live in the neighborhood and that there are a few streets in this city named after an ancestor.

Goldie, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy your time in Baltimore. It can be segregated here in a lot of ways. I feel like it's getting better.

I've always had the feeling that Philly is what you'd get if you mixed up New York and Baltimore with an egg beater.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:57 PM
 
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Ok U sound absolutely stupid now, where do you live at exactly? DC is Chocolate City, dont get it twisted. The city is till 50-60% black Baltimore is 60% black PG County is like 70% + these are 3 jurisdictions all within 30 miles...Idk where you hang out on a regular basis, but there are all kinds of exotic Dominican, Ethiopian, Trinidadian, Indian, Columbian etc. women walking all around the DMV area Montgomery county included. This is still one of the most diverse metro areas in the country. There are mixed couples, black couples, and white couples living in DC MD and VA, maybe not in your suburb of wherever you stay but on my side of town i see about 10 new beautiful women everyday..No their not running around in bikinis like this is South Beach, their dressed in business suits and skirts with high heels and a smile on there face and 80k in their bank account.
Sounds good! All the exotic mixes! For sure.

Actually, I am getting the sense that Maryland is SO VARIED. You can't even get Marylanders to agree....as the reality around DC is probably closest to this quote.

But the other poster is referencing Baltimore as 'lacking in the gene pool', and might be right in his assessment of that part of Maryland as well.

Then out in Western Maryland...with our other poster...a completely different reality out there once again.

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