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Old 12-30-2010, 08:15 AM
 
Location: DMV
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland: Baltimore and Somerset Counties
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unfortunately Maryland will never overcome the absolute stanglehold liberal politicians have on it.

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Old 12-31-2010, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Charles County, MD.
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unfortunately Maryland will never overcome the absolute stanglehold liberal politicians have on it.
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This State has gone from a conservative Democratic State to a more liberal Massachusetts's style run government.
Sorry to say but things will only get worse as the years go by. Corporations are relocating across the Potomac in droves because of Maryland's insane tax laws and it's asinine Socialist/feel good policies.

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Old 12-31-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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Nothing more than rewarding criminal behavior for the purposes of securing future votes.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:11 PM
 
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Haven't read this particular article yet. The the proposal incensed me before, when they tried this. Even the thought of it is absolutely insane. Why are illegals allowed in even GO to any college/university. They're illegal. Their very presence in the U.S. is breaking the law?

It's infuriating.
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Old 12-31-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Hyattsville, MD
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I am a registered Democrat, but I am very moderate and even have some conservative views. I am so sick of these Liberals in Maryland, trying so hard to reward criminal behavior in a sad attempt to come across as "progressive" and to get a pat in the back in the morals department. These illegals have a safe haven in Maryland, and it makes me sick how I am bonafide American, yet I couldn't wish upon a trillion lucky stars to get half of the benefits that some illegal that just got off the banana boat yesterday, could get. And the bad part is, saying things reminiscent of what I just said, get's frowned upon because it sounds so harsh. The truth is the truth. These illegals do not deserve to be rewarded. I can't get rewarded for robbing a bank or assaulting a person, so why are these illegal immigrants constantly being rewarded for blatantly breaking the law? It's insane. This is why I want to move to Europe so badly. I can't take the asinine way of governing in the country, anymore. While Virginia other locales across the nation are steadily cracking down on all of this illegal activity, Maryland is more and more becoming the safe haven for these criminals. If I wanted to live it Mexico City or El Salvador, I'd move there. Sorry if I've offended anyone. It's not my intent as I am not a racist. But this illegal immigration issue is so out of control, that I get so passionate about it.
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Old 01-01-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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The most IMPORTANT thing that is coming out of all of these "Dream acts" is the fact that people are starting to understand that we need to discuss this issue, while keeping laws in mind.

We can't have endless discussions with no legislation.

Doing nothing will not work. Instead of being upset or giving the standard reply of "deport them", what is your plan? Being simple and saying "deport them" will not work since that will end up bankrupting the entire country. We don't have enough resources to win the deportation fight.

Can't say I agree with all of these plans putting forth, but sending a kid back to Mexico who was born here and went to school here does not seem right, IMO. And, yes, their parents should have thought about that before moving here... can't argue with that, but these kids are every bit American as you and I... they are out of place in Mexico and not even wanted there.

All the "liberal" this and "liberal" that talk should stop... honestly, is that all anyone can bring to a serious discussion these days?
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Old 01-01-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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Can't say I agree with all of these plans putting forth, but sending a kid back to Mexico who was born here and went to school here does not seem right, IMO. And, yes, their parents should have thought about that before moving here... can't argue with that, but these kids are every bit American as you and I... they are out of place in Mexico and not even wanted there.
One nitpick with these comments- the kids who were born here are citizens and I believe are already entitled to in-state tuition. The DREAM Act and related acts are dealing with high school graduates who were brought over illegally as kids.

I do agree with the gist of the argument though. A kid who grows up in America and graduates from an American high school is culturally an American. It seems unfair to send them back to Mexico or El Salvador or some other country where they don't really belong culturally. It seems equally unfair to deny them the benefits that every other in-state high school graduate gets.

Part of the Maryland version of this act required the parents to be registered taxpayers, so while the parents are obviously still illegal, they are paying the same taxes as every other worker in the state, so you can't even say they're getting something for nothing.

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All the "liberal" this and "liberal" that talk should stop... honestly, is that all anyone can bring to a serious discussion these days?
This is the biggest reason I don't visit the politics threads here. Why bother making a point when you can just call someone a "flaming liberal" or an "ignorant Tea-Partier"? It's lazy arguing and has gotten us nowhere.
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Old 01-01-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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It seems unfair to send them back to Mexico or El Salvador or some other country where they don't really belong culturally. It seems equally unfair to deny them the benefits that every other in-state high school graduate gets.
Yeah, and who is the person who set up that situation their PARENT! People argue that the children are innocent victims' in all this.

You mean to tell me that -- given that they WERE NOT born here and don't have U.S. birth certificates -- NO ONE throughout all the chain of their lives knew they were illegals? Why was nothing done then, or when they first went to school, or somewhere earlier along the line.

We taxpayers are innocent TOO! IF they're not entitled to services or whatever it's their parents fault not ours.
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Old 01-01-2011, 03:07 PM
 
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One nitpick with these comments- the kids who were born here are citizens and I believe are already entitled to in-state tuition. The DREAM Act and related acts are dealing with high school graduates who were brought over illegally as kids.
I know... thought that was obvious to everyone... thanks for the clarification for those who might be confused.

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I do agree with the gist of the argument though. A kid who grows up in America and graduates from an American high school is culturally an American. It seems unfair to send them back to Mexico or El Salvador or some other country where they don't really belong culturally. It seems equally unfair to deny them the benefits that every other in-state high school graduate gets.
My other argument was that I believe these bills are being brought forward to push the conversation. A conversation we need to have individually and as a country.

What is the answer to this issue? Deportation is not an option... putting them in jail is not an option...

I believe we need programs along with some way to keep the business community from hiring them. Of course, this is not easy since if someone walks in a SS# or papers but don't speak English, you do assume the paperwork is a forgery? General public will see an increase in costs if businesses have to pick up the tab.

There are no easy answers....

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Part of the Maryland version of this act required the parents to be registered taxpayers, so while the parents are obviously still illegal, they are paying the same taxes as every other worker in the state, so you can't even say they're getting something for nothing.
Which is odd... I mean, how do you get there? Hey, I'm illegal but I'm paying taxes... wonder if they would fear the gov't showing up at night and taking them away. Although, I've read (don't know if true) that a majority (or was it "large number") of illegals pay taxes.

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This is the biggest reason I don't visit the politics threads here. Why bother making a point when you can just call someone a "flaming liberal" or an "ignorant Tea-Partier"? It's lazy arguing and has gotten us nowhere.
Right... but things can change... hopefully what people really think will come forward.
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