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Old 01-10-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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Wonder why no areas in Talbot County (especially St. Michaels' area) are listed.... ?
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:26 PM
 
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In the process of working on other list, but poverty will definitely be included. Just be patient
Rank 2005-2009 Census Data


Geography State Universe: HOUSEHOLDS: Median household income in the past 12 months (in 2009 inflation-adjusted dollars) (Estimate)

Maryland Counties HouseHold Median Income 2009

1 Howard County, Maryland $101,003.00
2 Montgomery County, Maryland $92,213.00
3 Calvert County, Maryland $90,621.00
4 Charles County, Maryland $86,141.00
5 Anne Arundel County, Maryland $81,824.00
6 Frederick County, Maryland $80,970.00
7 Carroll County, Maryland $80,743.00
8 Queen Anne's County, Maryland $78,615.00
9 Harford County, Maryland $75,872.00
10 St. Mary's County, Maryland $75,427.00
11 Prince George's County, Maryland $70,753.00
12 Cecil County, Maryland $65,079.00
13 Baltimore County, Maryland $63,348.00
14 Talbot County, Maryland $61,591.00
15 Caroline County, Maryland $55,844.00
16 Worcester County, Maryland $52,600.00
17 Washington County, Maryland $51,962.00
18 Wicomico County, Maryland $51,352.00
19 Kent County, Maryland $48,284.00
20 Dorchester County, Maryland $45,095.00
21 Garrett County, Maryland $43,802.00
22 Somerset County, Maryland $41,615.00
23 Baltimore city, Maryland $38,738.00
24 Allegany County, Maryland $36,810.00
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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FCD, that is the list that tells the story. Our richest county has a median household income nearly 3X that of our poorest.

I am surprised that Baltimore County was so low on the list. They ranked below Carroll, Cecil, and PG, which I did not expect.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:49 AM
 
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FCD, that is the list that tells the story. Our richest county has a median household income nearly 3X that of our poorest.

I am surprised that Baltimore County was so low on the list. They ranked below Carroll, Cecil, and PG, which I did not expect.

Baltimore County out of the Big Three in Maryland Montgomery County, Prince George's etc has always ranked well below. This is nothing new.

If you look at the 2000 Census Baltimore County ranked extremely far behind both Prince George's County, Maryland and Montgomery County.

Also if you look at the 1990 Census it's the same story. I'm not sure why Maryland's every got the impression Baltimore County was wealthier than Prince George's County, that has never been factually true in 30-50 years if you go all the way back.

I guess it makes me beg the question. Why did you find that surprising?

Hehe I think my next big list may focus on Baltimore County, Maryland and Prince George's County, Maryland (maybe that's of more interest??)
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I find it surprising because of I have seen (an lived in for awhile) some really expensive parts of Baltimore County. I also conceived of it as mostly rich burbs around the city, then horse country. My assumption was that someone would move to Carroll or Harford County because they are priced out of Baltimore County. My only guess is that Baltimore Co. must of pockets of large populous pockets of lower wage earners (or down right poor people) that Carroll and Harford don't have.

As for PG, yeah, I get why you ask the question. It is strange to me as an outsider that juristiction can be so "rich" on paper and still have so many social problems and dangerous areas.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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I find it surprising because of I have seen (an lived in for awhile) some really expensive parts of Baltimore County. I also conceived of it as mostly rich burbs around the city, then horse country. My assumption was that someone would move to Carroll or Harford County because they are priced out of Baltimore County. My only guess is that Baltimore Co. must of pockets of large populous pockets of lower wage earners (or down right poor people) that Carroll and Harford don't have.

As for PG, yeah, I get why you ask the question. It is strange to me as an outsider that juristiction can be so "rich" on paper and still have so many social problems and dangerous areas.
Thank you for explaining your position, but i'm still in a bit of shock. The mere idea is preposterous lol. I mean Baltimore County has never been one of the "Wealthier Counties" in Maryland ever! In fact it's gone from one of the poorer to one of the more middle class counties over the last 20 years. However Prince George's County has always been a middle to upper Middle Class County relative to it's rank in the state of Maryland. Here's a quick comparison based on the last 20 years. In fact Prince George's County over the last 20 years has become significantly more "wealthy" than Baltimore County each decade. Also keep in mind Prince George's County has been a "predominately minority county since 1989." (why do i feel like that should be a shirt logo for Prince George's County lol all joking aside the facts are below.)

http://planning.maryland.gov/msdc/hh...ian&mean.shtml

1989 The difference in Median Income was plus $4,290 Prince George's County, Maryland

1999/2000 The difference in Median Income was plus $4,600 Prince George's County, Maryland

2009 The difference in Median Income was plus a whopping $7,405 Prince George's County, Maryland

1989 Census of Maryland Counties by Median Income

Median Household Income in MARYLAND $39,386 in 1989

1 Howard County $54,348
2 Montgomery County $54,089
3 Calvert County $47,608
4 Charles County $46,415
5 Anne Arundel County $45,147
6 Prince George's County $43,127
7 Carroll County $42,378
8 Harford County $41,680
9 Frederick County $41,382
10 Queen Anne's County $39,190
11 Baltimore County $38,837
12 St. Mary's County $37,158
13 Cecil County $36,019
14 Talbot County $31,885
15 Kent County $30,104
16 Washington County $29,632
17 Wicomico County $28,512
18 Caroline County $27,758
19 Worcester County $27,586
20 Dorchester County $24,922
21 Baltimore City $24,045
22 Somerset County $23,379
23 Garrett County $22,733
24 Allegany County $21,546



1999/2000 Census of Maryland Counties by Median Income



Median Household Income in MARYLAND $52,850 in 1999

1 Howard County $74,150
2 Montgomery County $71,550
3 Calvert County $65,950
4 Charles County $62,200
5 Anne Arundel County $61,750
6 Frederick County $60,300
7 Carroll County $60,000
8 Harford County $57,250
9 Queen Anne's County $57,050
10 Prince George's County $55,250
11 St. Mary's County $54,700
12 Baltimore County $50,650
13 Cecil County $50,500
14 Talbot County $43,550
15 Worcester County $40,650
16 Washington County $40,600
17 Kent County $39,850
18 Wicomico County $39,050
19 Caroline County $38,850
20 Dorchester County $34,100
21 Garrett County $32,250
22 Allegany County $30,800
23 Baltimore City $30,100
24 Somerset County $29,900


Maryland Counties HouseHold Median Income 2009


1 Howard County, Maryland $101,003.00
2 Montgomery County, Maryland $92,213.00
3 Calvert County, Maryland $90,621.00
4 Charles County, Maryland $86,141.00
5 Anne Arundel County, Maryland $81,824.00
6 Frederick County, Maryland $80,970.00
7 Carroll County, Maryland $80,743.00
8 Queen Anne's County, Maryland $78,615.00
9 Harford County, Maryland $75,872.00
10 St. Mary's County, Maryland $75,427.00
11 Prince George's County, Maryland $70,753.00
12 Cecil County, Maryland $65,079.00
13 Baltimore County, Maryland $63,348.00
14 Talbot County, Maryland $61,591.00
15 Caroline County, Maryland $55,844.00
16 Worcester County, Maryland $52,600.00
17 Washington County, Maryland $51,962.00
18 Wicomico County, Maryland $51,352.00
19 Kent County, Maryland $48,284.00
20 Dorchester County, Maryland $45,095.00
21 Garrett County, Maryland $43,802.00
22 Somerset County, Maryland $41,615.00
23 Baltimore city, Maryland $38,738.00
24 Allegany County, Maryland $36,810.00

Now I'm actually interested in Baltimore County. What areas did you live in, so I can research those??

Keep in mind we are speaking in terms of relative to Maryland, because nationally these counties are both well to do. Prince George's is consistently over the last 20 years in the Top 5% of all counties and Baltimore County has consistently been in the Top 10% of all counties.

I guess I'm still a bit confused as to why people in a much "poorer" county would think in that way? Do people in Baltimore County not know where they rank in the states median income category? It hasn't changed at all in the Past 20 years and even if i stretched the list all the way back into 1979 etc, so how did you miss all the pockets of poverty within Baltimore County while you were there? What i also find interesting is that one county is wealthier, but has well known pockets of poverty is and is considered "ghetto," but the less wealthier county that clearly has more poverty is not? This confuses the h - e - double hockey sticks out of me lol. Geez, and i thought the boards in CT were nuts lol. (they're the opposite of Maryland boards they have towns making only 103k and they think they're super rich and luxurious, but Maryland towns making over 150,000 dollars are considered ghetto (keep in mind these are both high cost states lol)

http://planning.maryland.gov/msdc/hh...ian&mean.shtml

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Old 02-02-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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FCD, I think you are confusing me with the majority of people on this forum. I was born out in the poor part of the state, and have lived there for most of my life. I don't spend my time bickering about which 'burb is best in this forum. I only post on those threads if they take a turn against the locals and natives of the state. My interest in the stats you post is to show how the growth of wealth in Maryland has NOT been spread out throughout the whole state. The rich counties have gotten richer, the poor counties are barely keeping pace with inflation.

The amount of time I spent living in B-more County can be measured in months. I was in Towson, and only spent any considerable time there or north of it in horse/vineyard country. All very nice areas. So my perception of Baltimore County is really a function of limited sample size. I can't answer your questions about

"why people in a much "poorer" county would think in that way? Do people in Baltimore County not know where they rank in the states median income category? "

Perhaps my brain has been skewed by the PG hater threads that I casually puruse and you make a good point about that. But even so, I think it is the social ills and govermental shortcomings are the main complaints about that county. Those complaints can exist outside of median income stats and in PG at least create a glaring juxtiposition between wealth and other social conditions like crime and schooling.

Outside of those observations, I can't offer you much else unless you want to talk about why the growth in wealth has left Western Maryland, the Lower Shore, and Baltimore City behind.

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Old 02-03-2011, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Greenville, NC
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Outside of those observations, I can't offer you much else unless you want to talk about why the growth in wealth has left Western Maryland, the Lower Shore, and Baltimore City behind.
Oh that's easy. See if you can find stats on the percentages of workers that are Federally employeed on a county by county basis. There are 2 means of high wages. There is finance and government. Since MD isn't known as the finance capital of the world that only leaves government.

I suspect you will find that large numbers of federal and state employees reside in the highest income counties. As the percentage on government employees in a county decreases so will the average income for that county.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Oh that's easy. See if you can find stats on the percentages of workers that are Federally employeed on a county by county basis. There are 2 means of high wages. There is finance and government. Since MD isn't known as the finance capital of the world that only leaves government.

I suspect you will find that large numbers of federal and state employees reside in the highest income counties. As the percentage on government employees in a county decreases so will the average income for that county.

Good guess, but I know for Allegany County, at least 1/2 of our top ten employers are government entities like The Public School system, the prisons, county government, city government, Frostburg State, Allegany Community College. are probably the biggest.

It is the lack of non-government employment that keeps the area economically depressed.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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If only the ppl from the Baltimore Sun forums were here....they really need to read this info....PG is considered ghetto bc it has about 5x as many homicides as Baltimore county...thats the main reason why...but that reason overshadows the good of pg and then thats where the ignorance comes in..I lived in Baltimore County for 5 years so I can compare/ contrast...when you talk about poverty in Baltimore county they will mention crime in Edgewood or Dundalk....now compare those place to Landover or Seat Pleasant...
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