Maryland a southern state (accept, modern, time)

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Richard Martin

Nah, the real Marylanders know the truth. It's the people that are from other states that deny it.

Which is why 40% of Marylanders consider the state Southern?????

Also, this very forum has the same poll in which more than half of responders listed Baltimore as NOT Northeastern.

So, have fun with that.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Ball freak

Disagree. Louisiana's only Non southern characteristic is lots of Catholics. In every other way it is Southern. Maryland's only Southern characteristic today is the large percentage of African Americans. In every other way it is more like the Northeast. You seem to want to include Maryland in the South before Texas is absurd. Kentucky, Virginia and Tennessee are all Southern. The South is made up of four regions: upper south (Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia), mid south (North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas), Deep South (Louisana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida), and Western South (Oklahoma, Texas). Also your hearing must be unique because to my ear the New Orleans accent sounds more like a Deep South accent than a New York accent. Not Northeastern whatsoever.

List these "Northeastern" characteristics Maryland has and Louisiana has not.

[Ball freak]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

List these "Northeastern" characteristics Maryland has and Louisiana has not.

Culture, politics, speech patterns that are shared exclusively with Southern Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Jersey (in modern times). Louisiana has none of these.

[Ball freak]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

List these "Northeastern" characteristics Maryland has and Louisiana has not.

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Which is why 40% of Marylanders consider the state Southern?????

Also, this very forum has the same poll in which more than half of responders listed Baltimore as NOT Northeastern.

So, have fun with that.

That's still not a majority or even half. Your case is weak at best.

[wolf39us]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

List these "Northeastern" characteristics Maryland has and Louisiana has not.

Good Pizza

[tcave360]

Originally Posted by Ball freak

Disagree. Louisiana's only Non southern characteristic is lots of Catholics. In every other way it is Southern. Maryland's only Southern characteristic today is the large percentage of African Americans. In every other way it is more like the Northeast. You seem to want to include Maryland in the South before Texas is absurd. Kentucky, Virginia and Tennessee are all Southern. The South is made up of four regions: upper south (Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia), mid south (North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas), Deep South (Louisana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida), and Western South (Oklahoma, Texas). Also your hearing must be unique because to my ear the New Orleans accent sounds more like a Deep South accent than a New York accent. Not Northeastern whatsoever.

Agree with your assessment however I think when he mentioned the NO accent sounds like a New York accent, he might've been referring to the Yat dialect. That dialect is mostly concentrated in some of NO's suburbs nowadays but the NO accent has many different sounds that sound like they either came straight out of the Caribbean or France or old school classy aristocratic Southern with a touch of Francois or a unique jazzy Southern sound and more. People from New Orleans seem to talk a little faster than most Southerners to me as well. New Orleans/South Louisiana is quite possibly the most unique locality in the South.

[tcave360]

Originally Posted by Ball freak

Tyranny of the majority I see. Marylanders as a whole do not consider their state to be part of the South at least in modern times. I've been to Annapolis. Didn't feel Southern to me. And the Mason-Dixon Line argument is so outdated it is ridiculous. Nothing magical happens when you leave Southern Pennsylvania and Southern New Jersey for Delaware and Maryland except when you reach the Southern parts of those states. If Annapolis were staunchly Southern at DC would also reflect that to some degree. You can't have non Southern and Southern less than an hour's drive apart and on the same latitude.

Most people don't even know that South Jersey extends pass the Mason-Dixon Line..........

[tcave360]

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

"You should treat Maryland like New Jersey" Wash your mouth out with soap!

Get off the NJ Turnpike near NYC and you'll see that Jersey is actually a pretty interesting looking state.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Ball freak

Culture,

Such as? Please don't be vague.

politics,

LOL! Maryland is a Blue State for a very different reason than a state like Vermont is. Most White people in Maryland are NOT Democrats. Maryland has a lot of Black people, who traditionally vote heavily Democrat. So you look at areas like DC and Baltimore, heavily Black, and thus very Blue. Go into more White areas and Maryland turns red. Either way, as if being a Democrat made someone NOT Southern. Look at Wendy Davis, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and tell me they're not Southern.

Politics makes not a Southern person. If that was the case, Sean Hannity and Stacey Dash (as New York as they come) would be hardcore Southern people.

speech patterns that are shared exclusively with Southern Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Jersey (in modern times).

Doesn't have to be modern times. These speech patterns have actually been present for a while. But this is why your case isn't helped with this example.

Did you even see the link I posted about said Mid-Atlantic dialects having more in common with the SOUTH than with the Northeast? Philly's vowels (and this includes So. Jersey and Delaware) are Southern in character and with time becoming less Southern. Renowned linguist William Labov explains this in discussing the Philadelphia dialect. Philly's "o's" are Southern-like, for example, as is the way they say "wooder" (also heard n Virginia). These are anomalies in the traditional Northern Cities Vowel Shift. If anything, Philly is more Southern in dialect than Baltimore is Northeastern.

Louisiana has none of these.

Culture? Like their French derived culture? Because that's not very "Southern". Besides, Louisiana and Maryland definitely were very red this mid-term election. Is Maryland more Southern because of that, now? Can it shape shift? Also, Louisiana's vowels sure don't have the Northern Cities Vowel Shift, like Philly, which by the way Philadelphia is in the PROCESS of undergoing, but didn't have in the past. Vowel-wise, Louisiana and Maryland are both Southern.

[Ball freak]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

List these "Northeastern" characteristics Maryland has and Louisiana has not.

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Such as? Please don't be vague.



LOL! Maryland is a Blue State for a very different reason than a state like Vermont is. Most White people in Maryland are NOT Democrats. Maryland has a lot of Black people, who traditionally vote heavily Democrat. So you look at areas like DC and Baltimore, heavily Black, and thus very Blue. Go into more White areas and Maryland turns red. Either way, as if being a Democrat made someone NOT Southern. Look at Wendy Davis, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and tell me they're not Southern.

Politics makes not a Southern person. If that was the case, Sean Hannity and Stacey Dash (as New York as they come) would be hardcore Southern people.



Doesn't have to be modern times. These speech patterns have actually been present for a while. But this is why your case isn't helped with this example.

Did you even see the link I posted about said Mid-Atlantic dialects having more in common with the SOUTH than with the Northeast? Philly's vowels (and this includes So. Jersey and Delaware) are Southern in character and with time becoming less Southern. Renowned linguist William Labov explains this in discussing the Philadelphia dialect. Philly's "o's" are Southern-like, for example, as is the way they say "wooder" (also heard n Virginia). These are anomalies in the traditional Northern Cities Vowel Shift. If anything, Philly is more Southern in dialect than Baltimore is Northeastern.



Culture? Like their French derived culture? Because that's not very "Southern". Besides, Louisiana and Maryland definitely were very red this mid-term election. Is Maryland more Southern because of that, now? Can it shape shift? Also, Louisiana's vowels sure don't have the Northern Cities Vowel Shift, like Philly, which by the way Philadelphia is in the PROCESS of undergoing, but didn't have in the past. Vowel-wise, Louisiana and Maryland are both Southern.

all of this is strictly your opinion. If you can't see the forest for the trees not my problem. Philadelphia does not have Southern dialect and neither does most of Maryland. Last time I checked sweet tea wasn't a big thing in Maryland either. Louisiana is not strictly French culture either it is Southern fused with Cajun Creole and French elements. You obviously won't listen to anyone but you so I'm through wasting my time on you. If you want to make believe Maryland is a Southern state today thAts your problem. And modern times mean everything with Maryland. You honestly mean to tell me states cant change regional identities after a certain period of time? This is especially false for historic border states. Anyway you are a waste of my time so begone.