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Old 04-19-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: PROUD Son of the South in Maryland
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I'm from Southern Maryland and yes I will call myself just a Marylander. I would call the region beginning in south PG and Anne Arundel Southern Maryland, but since I never left that region growing up I had no reason to distinguish it, hence just "Maryland". After all, down there we're all convinced we're the true Marylanders upholding the traditions of our beloved Chesapeake and yall just gave into other influences.
I never had a distinction for Central MD either. You are either "Baltimore" (Baltimore & Baltimore County), "DC" (PG and Montgomery), or "Upriver" (Howard). Nothing called "Central Maryland".
Not all of us living in central lost our roots. But being as My families come from the Blue ridge/appalachia, southern Maryland and now alot of us are in western Howard county. We retained our roots and culture despite being down the street (Im currently living in yankee hell that is columbia) from some of the yankee hotspots. As for my moms family they still reside proudly in Charles county and probably will for many more generations.

Dont think that just because I live in central maryland that I have "given in" or lost my way. I still run around here reminding the occupiers where they are living temporarily.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I find this mildly amusing as point of rocks is very different then central Maryland in my mind. Alot more hilly then anything in central. I refer to anything that Appalachia covers western Maryland and that includes the blue ridge mountains. But if it pleases you Ill stop refering to my family in the blue ridge region as my appalachia side....just in this thread though.

Wait a sec yall actually refer to yourselves as western Marylanders? My family in what I think of as the fringes of western Maryland refer to themselves as Marylanders(no I dont consider Howard western Maryland). Same goes for my family that lives south of Waldorf in that they dont call themselves southern Marylanders, rather just Marylanders.
I don't want to deny an Appalachian heritage to areas that are in the Appalachian Mountains, which Point of Rocks, Brunswick, and Boonesboro are. The mountains are just different there. Lower, and interspersed with very wide valleys that are developed (either agriculture or housing.) with trees only on the most rugged and public lands. So, sure your family lives in a part of Appalachia, but in our eyes, not Western Maryland.

This is why I refer to the maps. The ruggedness of the land, lack of significant valleys west of Sideling Hill, and ubitigious tree cover is very different than Washington and Frederick County. The best description I heard is that the mountains in Washington and Frederick County frame and flank the people in the counties, while the mountains in Allegany and Garrett Company embrace them.

But yes, you hit on the key point. We aren't "Marylanders," out here, we are "Western Marylanders" (with a capital W.) There are more WVU fans than Terp fans, more Steelers fans than Ravens and Skins fans combined. High School football is god, we easily get 4,000 in attendance for a normal game. 6,000-8,000 when two local teams play. Homecoming has had close to 10,000 fans during the best years. We don't even field lacrosse teams at any age level, a Maryland thing.

This is what I am trying to get out, our regional identity out here is more important than our state loyalty. Annapolis is virtually a curse word out here. This very different than the counties to our east, even the other Appalachian ones. Western Maryland isn't just a name for parts of the state that happens to be westerly on a compass, it is a small specific region that is virtually a state apart. Well, at least that is how we use the term.

Only the Eastern Shore is comparable in terms of regional loyalty and uniqueness.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: PROUD Son of the South in Maryland
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Id say southern maryland is rather close to eastern shore. But fair enough, Ill still think the way I do about where western Maryland ends but wont argue with how you define your region.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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Southern Maryland is close to the Eastern Shore in similar identity and regional loyalty, however Southern Maryland does not feel disconnected from Annapolis. Many consider Annapolis to be part of Southern Maryland.

But we do consider the rest of Maryland to be a totally different place. Central Maryland and Western Maryland are like foreign lands, on the rare occasion they actually enter our thoughts, but the Eastern Shore is considered our good friend across the Chesapeake.
If we talk about "Maryland", chances are we aren't thinking about anything farther than Brandywine, Upper Marlboro, and Annapolis.

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Old 04-19-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Southern Maryland is close to the Eastern Shore in similar identity and regional loyalty, however Southern Maryland does not feel disconnected from Annapolis. Many consider Annapolis to be part of Southern Maryland.

But we do consider the rest of Maryland to be a totally different place. Central Maryland and Western Maryland are like foreign lands, on the rare occasion they actually enter our thoughts, but the Eastern Shore is considered our good friend across the Chesapeake.
If we talk about "Maryland", chances are we aren't thinking about anything farther than Brandywine, Upper Marlboro, and Annapolis.
You and I say about the same. I split PG and Anne Arundel off at around Central Ave.


Of course the people that say MD is a NE state are many times the same ones that put PA in the MidWest.
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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But yes, you hit on the key point. We aren't "Marylanders," out here, we are "Western Marylanders" (with a capital W.) There are more WVU fans than Terp fans, more Steelers fans than Ravens and Skins fans combined. High School football is god, we easily get 4,000 in attendance for a normal game. 6,000-8,000 when two local teams play. Homecoming has had close to 10,000 fans during the best years. We don't even field lacrosse teams at any age level, a Maryland thing.
I'd mostly agree with this. However, in my experience, I'd say that WVU has more fans than Maryland during football season only in our area. The Terps still rule Allegany County during basketball season (or at least that's how it's always seemed to me). I'd also say that the Steelers aren't quite as pervasive as you make them seem. These days, I'd say there are almost as many Ravens fans as there are Steeler fans. I know of a few Redskins fans, but most have withered away. It's important to note that the Pennsylvanians and West Virginians in our tri-state are overwhelming Pittsburgh sports fans which inflates the numbers, giving off the impression that the Steelers have a much larger upper hand than they actually do in Western Maryland. Allegany and Washington Counties are essentially the battleground region, in my mind. Steelers-Ravens games always sparked an epic struggle at Mountain Ridge High. The Ravens fanbase is really expanding too. Even out here at WVU in solid, solid Steelers country, the locals are telling me that the Ravens are creeping up as a distant second among the locals.

The "Western Marylander" demonym is used very commonly, as you said. I still say, "I'm from Maryland," from time to time, but not often. I don't think our preference for the term "Western Maryland" is really used to spite the state or anything. In fact, I'd say we have state pride. Rather it's simply an expression of how much we love our region. Allegany Countians use it to let people know that they're from the mountains, not on the bay; that they are country folk, not city people; and to dissociate themselves with the liberals that run the state government.

With that given, we are still Marylanders in a lot of ways. People proudly display the Maryland flag on their homes all over our towns, even in some of the most rundown neighborhoods. Our people overwhelmingly support the Orioles and many support the Ravens and Terps as well, as evidenced by the Maryland sports bars in the area. We utilize Maryland Shock Trauma and Johns Hopkins when things get too serious for WMRMC (although people do see specialists at WVU). We are generally familiar with the towns and counties downstate, even if we haven't been there, and everyone's got family, friends, or other connections down there. We go on day trips to Baltimore, shop down in Hagerstown or at Arundel Mills, visit Annapolis in elementary school, and vacation in Ocean City (although other beaches have become more popular since I was little). Likewise, people downstate are familiar with Cumberland, come to Frostburg State to school, and vacation at Deep Creek Lake. Crabs are express shipped to our county almost daily to restaurants like Crabby Pig and the Hen House. Places like Corner Market in Frostburg sell them by the bushel in the summer and local groups have "crab bakes." We strongly affiliate with our counties (unlike our neighbors to the north). The main street through Downtown Cumberland is Baltimore Street (pronounced "Bawdimore") where a huge inflatable Raven stood this past season. Kids that don't stay locally for school typically go to Salisbury, Towson, UMBC, Mt. St. Mary's, McDaniel, and College Park, as well as WVU (Maryland was the top pick in my class, excluding local colleges). We're in the Chesapeake Bay watershed. Etc., etc.

Generally speaking, take the definition below...

WESTERN=Appalachian heritage, blue collar, conservative, small towns, mountains, hunting, Italian food, pepperoni rolls, Steelers, WVU, Victorian architecture, Allegany, Garrett, high school football, snow, etc.

...and add it to what it means to be from MARYLAND, and you've got yourself a WESTERN MARYLAND.
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Of course the people that say MD is a NE state are many times the same ones that put PA in the MidWest.
I certainly don't believe that Maryland is in the Northeast but, west of the High Alleghenies, Pennsylvania is Midwestern in nature, as it's more akin to Ohio, Michigan, western NY, etc.
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I certainly don't believe that Maryland is in the Northeast but, west of the High Alleghenies, Pennsylvania is Midwestern in nature, as it's more akin to Ohio, Michigan, western NY, etc.

Since PA was settled first it might be more accurate to say that Ohio, Michigan are more akin to PA and western New York.

Lots of northern Appalachia where I'm originally from in PA. In the immortal words of Tom Petty, "You can stand me up at the Gates of Hell and I won't back down".
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Since PA was settled first it might be more accurate to say that Ohio, Michigan are more akin to PA and western New York.

Lots of northern Appalachia where I'm originally from in PA. In the immortal words of Tom Petty, "You can stand me up at the Gates of Hell and I won't back down".
Fair enough, but I don't think grouping western PA in with other Great Lakes states takes away from the fact that it's Northern Appalachia (which it most certainly is). Much of Ohio is Appalachian as well.
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:29 PM
 
Location: PROUD Son of the South in Maryland
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WESTERN=Appalachian heritage, blue collar, conservative, small towns, mountains, hunting, Italian food, pepperoni rolls, Steelers, WVU, Victorian architecture, Allegany, Garrett, high school football, snow, etc.

...and add it to what it means to be from MARYLAND, and you've got yourself a WESTERN MARYLAND.
Bold = things I hate in this world as a UMD alumni and skins fan (although I dont hate them as much as ravens fans do).

Underlined = things I wished we actually got here.

I guess the blue ridge area where I spent my summers is a bit more different then the panhandle (yeah Im keeping that term! ) and I guess I have more in common with my Southern Maryland family if this is a break down of this area. Things that dont fit in to my culture: real italian food (past olive garden and prego with noodles), anything but hatred for for either the steelers and ESPECIALLY WVU!, and people for the most part cant drive in snow around here to save their lives (a dusting usually means quite a few cars in ditches).
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