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Old 05-24-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Edgemere, Maryland
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If you read through the tread, you will see that most posters that espouse the "Maryland is NOT Southern (or maybe just a little dying bit) are almost universally transplants. Nearly every native says either "mixed heritage," "border state," or something that understands the diversity our small state contains.

.....82 to go.
Outstanding post... and 81!
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: PROUD Son of the South in Maryland
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Yup. And I'll write it again, why? If someone cares that much than they should just move to the deep South.

What part of the U.S. is defined correctly? Why is Idaho a part of the Pacific Northwest? Why is Oregon? Why isn't California the Pacific Southwest? Why is Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico...and Utah....the Southwest, but not California? Why does the Midwest contain States that are on the northern half of the country and lie more to the East? Why are Texas and Oklahoma sometimes included in the Southwest? Is Florida Southern or East Coast? Why is the South on the lower half of the Eastern side? Why is Texas sometimes considered Southern, and sometimes not? And so on.

The Mid Atlantic according to the U.S. Census is NY, Penn, and NJ. It is for classification purposes. The Census places Maryland in the South Atlantic.

Dixie is not an official region. It is like saying rural, or mountain.
Yeah it is to alot if not all of us southerners. So maybe dixie might not mean anythign to you, but it means ALOT to me and my people.

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Yes, true. However, my argument isn't how close Maryland is to the Northeast, but who far it is from the South. People cite commonalities between Maryland and the South, and outside of Maryland being a part of the Old South (original Slave States), I do not see it from my perspective.

Of secondary concern is the issue of some people wanting Maryland to be Southern. I can understand appreciating certain, perhaps many, aspects of Southern life and culture, but I don't buy into the notion that those who are the Sons of the Confederacy, The South will Rise Again, The Confederacy, etc. is anything less than the War is not over. Historically speaking, I do not see how anyone who is concerned for such things outside of a basic historical interest is not [secretly] racists or xenophobic.

How about this, I drive around Maryland with a giant picture of Chamberlain on the side or back. How would Marylander's react?
Its not a matter of want. I know how I was raised, I know who me and my family is and I fit in when I travel to other southern states. While I get funny/nasty looks and comments about how I talk when I travel up north (minus some parts of PA).

Also being proud of southern roots and heritage does not have any thing to do with racism. Heritage not hate so PLEASE for the love of GOD dont say ignorant things like the bolded above. Its people like you who give the south a bad name because we are proud of our roots.

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It might help to not think "better" but "different." The realities and quirks that make up different parts of the country are important to many people. They have pride in who they are, and where they are from.

As an "East Coaster" my roots in Allegany County go back over 200 years. The streams and towns are named after my ancestors. I was the first person in my direct line to marry someone born outside of the county in over 100 years. I am proud to be Appalachian, even if the region contains only a small part of Maryland.

So, what region we live in isn't a moot point to many of us. It helps us explain who we are, what we are, and the character of our homeplaces. The character of Maryland is changing......fast. People who self-ID as Southerners suddenly find themselves as a minority in their own hometowns, places their ancestors lived, worked, and died for generations.

If you read through the tread, you will see that most posters that espouse the "Maryland is NOT Southern (or maybe just a little dying bit) are almost universally transplants. Nearly every native says either "mixed heritage," "border state," or something that understands the diversity our small state contains.

.....82 to go.
This is a great explanation of why I fight so hard and sometimes get a bit fired up. I can trace my roots back well past the civil war in Maryland and one side (my moms grandpa) can be traced back to pre colonial times in Maryland (Chesapeake region more or less). Im proud of my roots and it makes me proud to say Im from Maryland. I know who I am, where I come from and its a pill I refuse to swallow when someone says that my values and people dont exist.

80 left to go Maryland, my Maryland!
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:39 AM
 
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nearly 60% of maryland now is in favor of gay marriage. With the exeption of some parts of southern maryland and the eastern shore you cant possibly say theres alot of southern attitude
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Edgemere, Maryland
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nearly 60% of maryland now is in favor of gay marriage. With the exeption of some parts of southern maryland and the eastern shore you cant possibly say theres alot of southern attitude
Opposition to gay marriage is now a Southern trait rather than a conservative trait? That's news to me.

60% of Maryland (I think you mean Marylanders) support it? Based off of some minute polling sample...

If you really meant 60% of the State itself, no way. You forgot Western MD in there. Western MD, combined with some of the socially conservative areas of Central Maryland, essentially the whole of Southern MD and Eastern Shore .... that's not exactly a small chunk. Thats 2/3 or more of the state. Now, as far as population support, I guess we will see how that compares in the November referendum to NC's recent vote on the issue. Although I am a conservative that supports gay marriage (because of personal experiences with family members), I wouldn't be counting your chickens before they hatch as far as the % in MD that support it. I think you may be surprised come November.

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Old 05-25-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: PROUD Son of the South in Maryland
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Yeah last I checked western Maryland is just as conservative as southern and coastal Maryland. Not to mention there are alot of hot beds in central. 60%? Doubtful. This is the second time someone on this forum has stated that being for this makes you not a southerner.... as if you needed to be conservative to be a true southerner. People need to realize that its not so black and white.

Am I for the proposition? Yes, but I also think you should be able to carry a gun if youre right in the head and Im against abortion. But I guess since Im only conservative on 2/3 that takes my southern right away...I guess Ill tell my buddy who was born and raised in Alabama that he isnt a southerner too as he voted for obama... Would the fact that I voted republican every election make me more of a proper southern man? No.

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Old 05-25-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Central Maryland
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Yup. And I'll write it again, why? If someone cares that much than they should just move to the deep South.
The state is a mix. It started out leaning far more towards the South than anything else, get used to it.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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I agree that politics is not a black and white issue when looking at regional trends, but the general brand of Annapolis politics and the way most citizens vote in national elections definitely aligns the state more with the North (which is heavily liberal) than the South (which is heavily conservative). (Of course individuals with varyious political views on both sides of the spectrum live in every state in this country. There are probably communists living in Garrett County and fascists in Montgomery right now.)

There is no Southern state that leans nearly as far to the left as Maryland does (DC and DE being considered Northern). Montgomery and Prince George's are two of the most liberal counties in the nation. Baltimore city is also very heavily Democratic.

That said there is no fixed political template for every state in a region. Pennsylvania, for example, is almost as conservative as Virginia. New Hampshire is libertarian, Vermont is heavily independent, West Virginia is very socially conservative but Democrats tend to do well there, etc. Maryland Democrats also aren't the ultra-liberal West Coast/Massachusetts types either, which is one of the reasons gay marriage barely passed in the House. Still Maryland is heavily blue, a trait generally associated with the Northeastern states (as red is with the South).
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I agree that politics is not a black and white issue when looking at regional trends, but the general brand of Annapolis politics and the way most citizens vote in national elections definitely aligns the state more with the North (which is heavily liberal) than the South (which is heavily conservative). (Of course individuals with varyious political views on both sides of the spectrum live in every state in this country. There are probably communists living in Garrett County and fascists in Montgomery right now.)

There is no Southern state that leans nearly as far to the left as Maryland does (DC and DE being considered Northern). Montgomery and Prince George's are two of the most liberal counties in the nation. Baltimore city is also very heavily Democratic.

That said there is no fixed political template for every state in a region. Pennsylvania, for example, is almost as conservative as Virginia. New Hampshire is libertarian, Vermont is heavily independent, West Virginia is very socially conservative but Democrats tend to do well there, etc. Maryland Democrats also aren't the ultra-liberal West Coast/Massachusetts types either, which is one of the reasons gay marriage barely passed in the House. Still Maryland is heavily blue, a trait generally associated with the Northeastern states (as red is with the South).
I know him. He claims to be a "socialist" but so does every other commie anymore. The term doesn't have much street cred these days.

Oddly enough, one of the former Commie bigwigs (as big as any American Communist's wig could get) was from Lonaconing in Allegany County. He was a labor organizer back in the old deep mining days. He worked his way up the ranks of U.S. Communist Party pretty far. Maybe Secretary of the Party?

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Old 05-25-2012, 07:58 PM
 
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Number one, going by latitude of the continental US, Maryland is CLEARLY southern in that regard. Please, pull out an accurate US map and find the midpoint (from the tip of Florida to the tip of Washington).
I know this was from earlier but forgot to ask you this...do you think it's really "clearly" southern in that regard? It looks pretty much dead middle to me.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Edgemere, Maryland
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I know this was from earlier but forgot to ask you this...do you think it's really "clearly" southern in that regard? It looks pretty much dead middle to me.
Original post: Pull out an accurate map. If you have to, fold it in half. Maryland falls completely below the middle line. The only error, I think I made was referring to the top of Washington State as the northernmost peak of the continental US. That distinction belongs to the Northwest Angle of Minnesota (which should be your Northernmost reference point for finding the midway point on a US map).

In fact, I'll make it easier for you: fold your map on Kearney, Nebraska. That is the midway point of the continental U.S. - at least that's what the town claims!

Maybe I am wrong, but that's what I've always been told.

Edit: I'm not so sure anymore, you might be right.

I actually found this website, and when plugging in Northwest Angle, MN and Key West, Fl, the result is a midway point much further south than I expected at least:

http://www.geomidpoint.com/?ml=37.07...=0&p=1&r=0&w=0

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