Maryland a southern state (Baltimore, Columbia: quality of life, fence, racist)

[MDguy99]

Originally Posted by GoPhils

I wasn't throwing you under the bus, I was just saying you were one of the people arguing hard for the whole state of Maryland still being considered southern. Even MDGuy who you just said thank you thank you thank you to agreed that it was not, really only Southern MD and the Eastern Shore.

Yeah, if he was saying historically, I could understand that but the state as a whole, culturally, today? I don't see how a solid case could be made for that anymore. I think there would be some denial going on, which I can understand, but let's face it, Mid-Atlantic (notice, NOT Northeastern. Not the definition of Mid-Atlantic as a "subset of the Northeast", but Mid-Atlantic as in DELMARVA & DC, not fully Northern, not fully Southern) is the most suitable description in 2012.

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by GoPhils

I wasn't throwing you under the bus, I was just saying you were one of the people arguing hard for the whole state of Maryland still being considered southern. Even MDGuy who you just said thank you thank you thank you to agreed that it was not, really only Southern MD and the Eastern Shore.

Originally Posted by MDguy99

Yeah, if he was saying historically, I could understand that but the state as a whole, culturally, today? I don't see how a solid case could be made for that anymore. I think there would be some denial going on, which I can understand, but let's face it, Mid-Atlantic (notice, NOT Northeastern. Not the definition of Mid-Atlantic as a "subset of the Northeast", but Mid-Atlantic as in DELMARVA & DC, not fully Northern, not fully Southern) is the most suitable description in 2012.

The state resides south of the line so the entire state resides in dixie. Culturally that isnt the case in central Maryland, but geographically that part is still within dixie. The triangle in NC or NOVA in VA are heavy transplants zones, but are still within the boundaries of dixie. That is all Im saying. Saying any state is culturally 100% southern is impossible as there are ZERO states with even close to 100% southern culture these days. Culture is a much harder thing to define and map out. If you wanna color in a map of "the south" as defined by culture it would look like swiss cheese. But the region commonly referred to as dixie can be defined still.

Maryland 100% inside dixie? Yes. Maryland 100% culturally southern? No. These have been my arguments the entire time. Nothing more nothing less. Do I get a very upset when someone says that my families culture doesnt exist? Yes.

Do I think Maryland is in the mid atlantic? Sure but only when the region is defined correctly. PA, NJ, and NY are NOT mid atlantic in my book. MD, DE, VA and NC sure.

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by andrew_s

The state resides south of the line so the entire state resides in dixie. Culturally that isnt the case in central Maryland, but geographically that part is still within dixie. The triangle in NC or NOVA in VA are heavy transplants zones, but are still within the boundaries of dixie. That is all Im saying. Saying any state is culturally 100% southern is impossible as there are ZERO states with even close to 100% southern culture these days. Culture is a much harder thing to define and map out. If you wanna color in a map of "the south" as defined by culture it would look like swiss cheese. But the region commonly referred to as dixie can be defined still.

Maryland 100% inside dixie? Yes. Maryland 100% culturally southern? No. These have been my arguments the entire time. Nothing more nothing less. Do I get a very upset when someone says that my families culture doesnt exist? Yes.

Do I think Maryland is in the mid atlantic? Sure but only when the region is defined correctly. PA, NJ, and NY are NOT mid atlantic in my book. MD, DE, VA and NC sure.

NC mid-atlantic??

[MDguy99]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

NC mid-atlantic??

There are sources that claim that, believe it or not. I've definitely heard it a few times, but can't say I agree with it- just like I don't agree with New York being in it!

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by MDguy99

There are sources that claim that, believe it or not. I've definitely heard it a few times, but can't say I agree with it- just like I don't agree with New York being in it!

I've seen multiple sources, and even NYC residents themselves say that they are mid-atlantic; I've NEVER seen any such thing with NC.

It seems that people are trying to make Maryland more southern than it really is.

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

NC mid-atlantic??

Originally Posted by MDguy99

There are sources that claim that, believe it or not. I've definitely heard it a few times, but can't say I agree with it- just like I don't agree with New York being in it!

Its a stretch, but NC makes more sense then NJ and NY. I define the mid atlantic as MD, DE, VA and mostly NC or bust. The region is isnt properly deifned and moves alot. As someone said it can go as far south as SC and as far north as NY. Honestly MD, VA, NC and DE make the best arguement for the region as NC to the farthest south and DE to the farthest north are pretty damn close in mileage. Not to mention the string of states, minus DE being as its skinny, are split into the same 3 general cultures. Appalachia in the west, piedmont in the center and coastal in the east (DE is only coastal). So these 4 states make the most sense, while SC, NY, PA, and NJ make no sense at all.

As to how I refer to what region I live in, well that is easy for yall to assume. I say the south. Would I ever say mid atlantic is the region I live in? Sure if it was defined correctly. But its not so I dont.

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

I've seen multiple sources, and even NYC residents themselves say that they are mid-atlantic; I've NEVER seen any such thing with NC.

It seems that people are trying to make Maryland more southern than it really is.

No. The reason NYC say mid atlantic is because the region isnt defined correctly and you know it. As stated above and many many times all over the region ranges from SC to NY depending on who you ask. PA, NJ, and NY are NOT settled midway on the coast of the US.

I think you need to leave Baltimore and get out and see our great state before claiming its not something...

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by MDguy99

Yeah, if he was saying historically, I could understand that but the state as a whole, culturally, today? I don't see how a solid case could be made for that anymore. I think there would be some denial going on, which I can understand, but let's face it, Mid-Atlantic (notice, NOT Northeastern. Not the definition of Mid-Atlantic as a "subset of the Northeast", but Mid-Atlantic as in DELMARVA & DC, not fully Northern, not fully Southern) is the most suitable description in 2012.

This is the description of pretty much all states east of the Mississippi. There are a few states that have stronger ties to there region, but 100% northern or southern culturally? Impossible these days.

[MDguy99]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

I've seen multiple sources, and even NYC residents themselves say that they are mid-atlantic; I've NEVER seen any such thing with NC.

It seems that people are trying to make Maryland more southern than it really is.

Yeah, no. I used to live in Northern NJ and work in NYC for years. Everyone I knew saw themselves as Northeastern. Mid-Atlantic was MD, DE, DC, and southern PA and NJ to them. (Not Virginia, Virginia was Southern to them)

I think you're trying to make MD more like NY and NJ than it really is...

Look it up, a quick Google search will yield some results suggesting NC is Mid-Atlantic. I don't agree with it, but it's there.

Wait, I'll save you the trouble.... this is from a Google Search that took all of 10 seconds (these are a few of many that include NC):

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by MDguy99

Yeah, no. I used to live in Northern NJ and work in NYC for years. Everyone I knew saw themselves as Northeastern. Mid-Atlantic was MD, DE, DC, and southern PA and NJ to them. (Not Virginia, Virginia was Southern to them)

I think you're trying to make MD more like NY and NJ than it really is...

Look it up, a quick Google search will yield some results suggesting NC is Mid-Atlantic. I don't agree with it, but it's there.

Wait, I'll save you the trouble.... this is from a Google Search that took all of 10 seconds (these are a few of many that include NC):

How would you personally define the midatlantic region?

[MDguy99]

Originally Posted by andrew_s

How would you personally define the midatlantic region?

I already said it, please re-read some of my posts.