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Old 02-23-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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Oh god-- I sure miss the days when life was simpler.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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While I somewhat agree with you about Red/Blue divides how many of those state have a large minority population that votes Democrat but is overwhelmingly opposed to gay marriage (see CA)?

As far as the 1st District goes Gilchrist (and Wayne is a personal friend) got beat because rightly or wrongly, the residents of his district felt he wasn't representing them anymore. And he had a very tough primary opponent in Harris, who was the winner this time around.

Westsideboy's Congressman is Roscoe Bartlett, whose politics tend to be somewhat to the right of Atilla the Hun. He pretty much coasts to re-election every cycle.

My Congressman until 10 years ago was Roy Dyson (D) and then Gilchrist (a bit more liberal than Dyson who is considered a conservative State Senator now). I am now in Hoyer's District which was shifted south to create a majority/minority District in PG and southern Montgomery.

Just to drag something else in, because of Maryland's Southern heritage many Democrats here would be Republicans in many other states.
True, MD does easily have proportionately the largest black population of the "liberal states" but I doubt every single black resident will vote against gay marriage. The polls showing that most Marylanders support gay marriage more than likely included included black residents.

Agreed as far as Gilchrist is concerned. Last years race in the 1st was extremely competitive with both parties probably spending more per constituent than any other race in the country.

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As for Bartlett's and Harris's districts, they were gerrymandered to absorb all the most conservative areas of the state. But Maryland has become more liberal since they were last gerrymandered and I believe the Senate will redraw Harris's district to get him booted out.
^THIS

IMHO the 1st will be the only district to be changed significantly. Ironically the most conservative portions of this district aren't on the Eastern Shore but in the Southern suburbs of Baltimore.

The 6th will most likely always be solidly Rebublican so there's no chance of a solid blue House District map of MD like half the states in New England have.
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Old 02-24-2011, 04:21 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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There is no way to re-draw the 1st to eliminate Harris that will pass court review. It's been tried. Throwing part of it back into Southern MD wouldn't do anything.

If anything you'll see changes at the state level. Calvert was slated to get its own Senator but that may have changed as both the heir apparent and heir presumptive to Miller's seat were beaten this past year. As it is, "Mike" Miller completed his total personal move to Calvert a few years ago (think Michael Corleone moving to Nevada but a nicer house) and pretty much abandoned his interests in PG, although 65% of his district is still there.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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Well the Senate just passed the gay marriage bill 25-21 (one vote more than expected):

Maryland Senate approves bill on gay marriage, but House passage not ensured

Despite the lack of support from Southern MD and Black Democrats in the House I'm still optimistic it will pass.

10 Democrats voted against the bill in the Senate (counting Dyson as a Democrat) with one absent. If a similar percentage of Dems vote against in the House, coincidentally the Dems will again only need one Republican to side with them for passage to get the 71 votes needed for passage (71).

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Old 02-24-2011, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I can tell you one Dem that won't vote for the bill, Kevin Kelly in 1-B, and the other reps out here Republicans Beitzel and Leroy Myers will vote "no" as well.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland, USA
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Posted at 6:50 PM ET, 02/24/2011
How the Md. Senate voted on same-sex marriage


By Washington Post editors
The Maryland Senate approved a bill to legalize same-sex marriages on a vote of 25 to 21. The bill next moves to the House of Delegates.
Voting in favor of the bill (25):
Sen. James Brochin (D-Baltimore County)
Sen. Joan Carter Conway (D-Baltimore)
Sen. William C. Ferguson (D-Baltimore)*
Sen. Jennie M. Forehand (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Brian E. Frosh (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Robert J. Garagiola (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Lisa A. Gladden (D-Baltimore)*
Sen. Verna L. Jones-Rodwell (D-Baltimore)*
Sen. Edward J. Kasemeyer (D-Baltimore County)
Sen. Dolores G. Kelley (D-Baltimore County)*
Sen. Nancy J. King (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Allan H. Kittleman (R-Howard)
Sen. Katherine A. Klausmeier (D-Baltimore County)
Sen. Richard S. Madaleno Jr. (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Roger Manno (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Nathaniel J. McFadden (D-Baltimore)*
Sen. Karen S. Montgomery (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. Paul G. Pinsky (D-Prince George's)*
Sen. Catherine E. Pugh (D-Baltimore)*
Sen. Victor R. Ramirez (D-Prince George's)*
Sen. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Montgomery)*
Sen. James N. Robey (D-Howard)
Sen. James C. Rosapepe (D-Prince George's)
Sen. Ronald N. Young (D-Frederick)*
Sen. Robert A. Zirkin (D-Baltimore County)*
* Indicates sponsor or co-sponsor
Voting against the bill (21):
Sen. John C. Astle (D-Anne Arundel)
Sen. David R. Brinkley (R-Frederick)
Sen. Richard E. Colburn (R-Dorchester)
Sen. Ulysses Currie (D-Prince George's)
Sen. James E. DeGrange Sr. (D-Anne Arundel)
Sen. Roy P. Dyson (St. Mary's)
Sen. George C. Edwards (R-Garrett)
Sen. Joseph M. Getty (R-Carroll)
Sen. Barry Glassman (R-Harford)
Sen. Nancy Jacobs (R-Harford)
Sen. J.B. Jennings (R-Baltimore County)
Sen. James N. Mathias Jr. (D-Worcester)
Sen. Thomas M. Middleton (D-Charles)
Sen. Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert)
Sen. C. Anthony Muse (D-Prince George's)
Sen. Douglas J.J. Peters (D-Prince George's)
Sen. E.J. Pipkin (R-Queen Anne's)
Sen. Edward R. Reilly (R-Anne Arundel)
Sen. Christopher B. Shank (R-Washington)
Sen. Brian W. Simonaire (R-Anne Arundel)
Sen. Norman R. Stone Jr. (D-Baltimore County)
Absent (1):
Sen. Joanne C. Benson (D-Prince George's)
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Bethesda, MD
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Maryland Senate approves gay marriage rights - Washington Times
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Bethesda, MD
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The Senate‘s only openly gay member, Sen. Richard Madaleno...told...:
Md. senators evoke family in gay-marriage debate - Washington Times
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Bodymore, Murderland
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If the government got the hell out of the marriage business (which it has no business being in anyway) and treated it as a private contract between consenting individual adults, there wouldn't be this stupid controversy.

Wanna marry a tree because you like to screw knotholes? Knock yourself out buddy. I could care less as long as you're not screwing a tree on my property.

IMO, Maryland should concentrate on passing legislation to allow individuals to defend themselves against criminals, which is a far more pressing problem.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Bodymore, Murderland
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Well the Senate just passed the gay marriage bill 25-21 (one vote more than expected):

Maryland Senate approves bill on gay marriage, but House passage not ensured

Despite the lack of support from Southern MD and Black Democrats in the House I'm still optimistic it will pass.

10 Democrats voted against the bill in the Senate (counting Dyson as a Democrat) with one absent. If a similar percentage of Dems vote against in the House, coincidentally the Dems will again only need one Republican to side with them for passage to get the 71 votes needed for passage (71).
The Afram community, despite it's being knee-jerk Democrat, isn't known for being liberal on social issues. If the Republicans could tap into this somehow, they could really be on to something.
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