Where Is A City With No Illegals??? (standard of living, rich)

[sundaze]

Well, one could focus on the illegals themselves. However, as long as they are able to come and earn money for themselves and their families they will come. Most illegals work. I think the place to start is with the people/corporations who hire illegals. They want the cheap labor that they can pay below minimum wage, not provide any benefits or health insurance. And, it makes the goods and services they offer cheaper. Also, the stockholders in these corporations, far removed from the hiring process itself are making money from the profits that corporations make hiring illegals. Day laborers wouldn't congregate (illegal ones that is) if nobody would hire them.
People want cheap day care, a cheap person to mow their lawn, etc. Farms (now corporate agriculture) rely on cheap illegal labor. Why is the focus not on those hiring illegals? I wonder who contributes a lot of money to politicians in both parties?

[Boog]

sundaze... I agree... that is part of the problem.. maybe the heart of the problem even.. bu tI dont buy the argument that we have no one to blame but ourselves..ummm ..ok... maybe we do... from "inviting" them into our country by providing them jobs.. to turning our backs when the come across the border.. to providing them assistances to live here.. BUT... all that dont make it OK ..even if the politicians in BOTH parties choose to ignore the problem doesnt mean it aint a problem.. .. politicians in this country really dont care what is right and what is wrong.or what is best for this country.. . they only care about getting power and keeping it.. in the mean time we are the ones footing the bill...ok..I'm off on a tangent now... anyway... the fact that we have allowed illegals into this country and have turn the other way when they come doesnt mean it has to continue.. can we send the illegals home?? no... but what about the millions of people all over the world you have spent years trying to come here legally?? do we tell them sorry 20 million others have cut in line and you'll have to wait?? my solution... build the fences.. secure the broaders ( yes they can..ie South Korea).. limit with a big "L" immigrants from the countries that have the most illegals here now.. and
control immigration as the US has done in the past.. the illegals that are here?? they have to register, pay a fine and apply for citizenship or work or student visas as they chose... undocumented people are criminals.. they become one as soon as they crossed the broader.. sorry.. we dont really need new laws or reform.. just enforce the ones we have now on EVER level.. including those states, counties, cities, towns, who have decided that they dont really like the law so the really cant be bothered to enforce it... ie MARYLAND for one.. can you say cut off federal funds... I knew you could... LOL....This country sorely needs some leadership.. everyone is so afraid of labels.. there are 200 million people in this country, everyone is not going to be happy all the time.. there is a line from a song I forget the name.. but.. "you have to stay for something or fall for anything""" to bad some of us choose to fall for everything

[cutgarden]

Most - not all, but most - illegals come here to work. And, they work the jobs that white Americans won't. At least in this area. Affluent areas attract a lot of Latinos, illegal or legal, because jobs are plentiful. Teenagers today don't have to work, their parents don't make them. The fast food restaurants would go insane without Latino labor. Same for a lot of contractors, landscapers, etc. The system isn't perfect for dealing with the large influx. But don't hate the Mexicans risking their lives to cross the border in search of a better life.

[emsgoof]

Originally Posted by cutgarden

Most - not all, but most - illegals come here to work. And, they work the jobs that white Americans won't. At least in this area. Affluent areas attract a lot of Latinos, illegal or legal, because jobs are plentiful. Teenagers today don't have to work, their parents don't make them. The fast food restaurants would go insane without Latino labor. Same for a lot of contractors, landscapers, etc. The system isn't perfect for dealing with the large influx. But don't hate the Mexicans risking their lives to cross the border in search of a better life.

I will detest ANYBODY being here ILLEGALLY. I will detest any country who uses the US to solve it's own problems of social reform. I will detest anyone who comes into this country illegally and then DEMANDS the rights that they are NOT entitled to. I will DETEST a government who gives preferential treatment to those same illegal aliens at the expense of the hard working US citizens. It isn't right, and it isn't fair to those still waiting to come here legally.
And maybe the US citizens aren't doing those jobs because they demand fair wages? Why pay some US kid $10/hr plus social security, worker's comp, medicare, etc to mow grass, when you can get away with paying an illegal $8/hr plus NONE of the government deductions? That $8/hr isn't staying in the US. It's going straight back to Mexico / Cuba / Haiti / wherever. If you are a LEGAL immigrant in this country, I will bend over backwards to make sure you receive the same benefits and freedoms I have worked for. I will help you find your way to earn them on your own. If you come here illegally and attempt to steal those liberties and freedoms from me, I will despise your very existence.

[cutgarden]

Well then, you're despising human nature.

[1973 Forced Busing]

Was it human nature to auction off one group of people in this country after calling for the extermination of another group of people that could not be exploited for profit? What you call human nature I call a Zionist plot. Maybe I should read the bible and believe that God likes the Zionist better than me since they are his "chosen" people.

[Boog]

Originally Posted by cutgarden

Most - not all, but most - illegals come here to work. And, they work the jobs that white Americans won't. At least in this area. Affluent areas attract a lot of Latinos, illegal or legal, because jobs are plentiful. Teenagers today don't have to work, their parents don't make them. The fast food restaurants would go insane without Latino labor. Same for a lot of contractors, landscapers, etc. The system isn't perfect for dealing with the large influx. But don't hate the Mexicans risking their lives to cross the border in search of a better life.

so... thats makes it all ok????? interesting....... I dont hate Mexicans.... I hate what ALL illegals are doing to this country..true most of them do work hard ..but what about the uncontrolled influx of crime, disease, and security threat.. doesnt seem to balance out in my mind somehow. just me I guess.. heres a dirty little secret for you..
shhh... its all about money.... the US isnt going to do anything because God forbid we should alienate the Latino and labor vote.. Mexico isnt going to do anything because the illegals here send apx. 20 billion dollars with a B, back to Mexico ever year.. Truth is .. for the most part, the illegals here dont give a rip about becoming Citizens.. they are here for the money... they dont consider themselves Americans... they dont want to learn English and they really arent that interested in obeying our laws.. so.. we should welcome them here with open arms???? umm .. put me in the nope column... Immigration...yes... invasion by illegal aliens.. NO

[Boog]

cutgarden.. i just reread your little ditty about illegals doing jobs "white "Americans wont... you really need to turn CNN/NBC off and maybe get out of town once in awhile... maybe that is true where you live... but there is alot of country between the NYC/DC corridor and LA.. in my area.. there are "white" people (as well as minorities) working 2 jobs to support their families... 2 jobs because the illegals you are so happy to accept keep wages depress for those who play by the rules.. I dont want to make this to personal, but the "white" American thing is getting old and really somewhat offensive to ... "white" Americans work hard too.. maybe it would be helpful for you to get out of town and take a look at the real world, its still out there.. I know you mean well... we all love the underdog.. but we cant when it is to our detriment..

[cutgarden]

Well, I think of myself as your basic "white" American, by which I mean German roots. I don't watch CNN, sorry. And, I don't have time to travel the US since I'm working all the time. But I can tell you that at least in my neck of the woods, which stretches from Taneytown to Gaithersburg, if there's manual work, hard work, backbreaking work to be done, you most likely won't see your stereotypical white boys doing it. They drive cars bought by their parents (not always, but very often) and really don't have to do anything that raises callouses. They are quite willing to work at Blockbuster and the cinemas though.

And forced busing, I was referring to human nature in that, it is human nature to want to better oneself; that's why the illegals come to America. Where did you dig up the slave trade from my post?

[Boog]

And forced busing, I was referring to human nature in that, it is human nature to want to better oneself; that's why the illegals come to America. Where did you dig up the slave trade from my post?[/quote]

huh??? what slave trade ?? I'm just tired of hearing that Americans of ALL races wont work or do the jobs illegals will.. like that makes it ok... first.. its intellectually dishonest... the fact that it keeps getting repeated does not make it true... secondly, its simple not true... what is true is that Americans cant find those jobs that are being done for cash wages by illegals.. the idea thats its human nature to better oneself DOES NOT make ok for people to enter this country illegally... or for any other reason.. if they want to work here temporarily and send their money home.. great.. get a visa, dont invade my country