Do people in Maryland consider themselves North, Southern, or in Between? (Baltimore: low income, income)

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Originally Posted by DC's Finest

MD is North,

I agree with your post 200%. The attitudes and culture of DC and Baltimore are more like Philly than the ATL. The youngins here wear tims (buttas), nike boots, Coogi, Northface jackets. You don't see that as much down south. The accent is definitely a mix of both but probably more northern.

Kids in DC say Get In = Getting; Farvah = Father; Brovah = Brother. This is northeastern street dialect. You can hear the same thing from people who live in Philly and NYC. Other words like Merlin = Maryland; Irk = Eric are more Mid Atlantic. DC and Baltimore and even Philly to a small extent are alike. I am not saying that the culture and accent are the same but certain words are pronounced very similar. Someone from Atlanta or Charlotte does not sound even remotely like someone from DC or Baltimore. Even between Balitmore and DC there are big differences. People in Baltimore say Dug for Dog. Even the street scene, vibe and urban feel of DC and Baltimore are more in line with northeastern cities than southern cities. (Gritty hoods, traffic, row houses, density, public transportation. You don't see this anywhere else but the noth east.

Someone also mentioned Baltimore's affection for gold teeth being southern. People in Bmore had gold teeth before the southern hip hop generation made it popular. I know a lot of people in Brooklyn from back in the day that still wear gold teeth. See Mary J. Blige, Dana Dane and Slick Rick.

YUP!

Gold teeth was originally a northern style,BMORE and NYC were notorious for rocking golds,the style never really left completely yet died out,recently BMORE and other northeastern cities have been adapting an urban 80's like style with tight jeans and different colored nikes with gold chains(fake of course because real would cost a fortune lol).Southerners are pretty much behind in style and gold teeth and light colored cars are extreme southern styles that new school youngins(new generation)are unaware was originally a northeastern style.Look at Flava Flav the rapper and vh1 star of Flavor of love,he has always been a gold tooth rocking new yorker and is almost 50 years of age.

And i agree with baltimores accent,some black bmorians have mix southern and northern,mid atlantic accents bigtime,many have very northern accents or accents that are just so bland it sounds like it could be from anywere but the south,same with DC though there words are pronounced different.I always felt more of a southern accent was in BMORE than in DC because more BMORE residents come straight from the south than they do in DC,which tends to mix with its natives and northerners,recently in the past years DC is adapting a much more northern feel due to an increase in population and its mixing that is making it a melting pot like many northeastern cities.

As for the style definetly DC style is more northern influence than southern by a longshot,in fact NYC has styles that recently became popular after DC popularized it such as NIKE BOOTS,NEW BALANCES(which are kind of played),and the butter timbs is very northeastern and NORTHFACE COATS are nearly seen only within the northeastern corridor.The dreadlocks thing in southeasterns residents is so tacky and a poor attempt to ride the south which has dreads as a common hairstyle.I personally find it tacky and only Whoopi has the money to keep her ish together lol.

Overall DC/MD is so northern,even to its residents that try so hard to identify with the south i always make fun of them jokingly like YOU ARE NOT SOUTHERN,I DONT CARE HOW MUCH OF A TWANG YOU HAVE,DC IS COLD AS HELL WITH POTENTIAL FOR MAJOR SNOWSTORMS,YOU DO NOT TALK ANYTHING LIKE THEY DO IN A.T.L.Even southeasterns southern twang having residents have lost so much of there southern accent when they go south they are seen as northern because of the BRUVAHS and other northeastern cities street slangs.The flow and energy of DC is so northern,not nyc(no city is energetic like nyc)yet very northeastern,the attitudes,the low interest in religion,the way its built,the winter weathers,the weather period is extremely similar to NYC with the difference being colder windchills within NYC due to 100's feet tall skyscrapers that entrap wind and block the sun.Yes DC/MD is very northern,its southern influences as i said are due to a porportion of its residents being from the south and bringing some of its influences northward.Besides did CRABS become a southern thing? I always saw it as a city port thing common in any area worldwide that is part or in close proximity to a port city or the coast.I mean just look at northern virginia compared to DC,places like Woodbridge,VA are believe it or not populous northern virginia towns (compared to other southern towns south of north va)that itself have energies that come from DC since its part of the metropolitan area,however you can tell its the south especially compared to virginia and even rural areas of maryland were residents do not carry heavy southern accents like they do here in Woodbridge or especially Fredericksburg.

Religion and conservatism politically are big in states VA on down,not in DC on northward states.

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Originally Posted by nickluva

Agreed with what you said! I also hate how ppl always point to the Mason Dixon line. The line was nothing more than a revised boundry between MD and PA cuz the original line woulda put Philly in MD so they had to move it a bit further south. The line means nothing more than that. Since MD was a legal slave state and PA was a optional free state that's when ppl started to say that the south of the Mason-Dixon. But noticed how Maryland never joined the confederacy and the south to this day hates Maryland because we played traitor on em.

Agreed!,the Mason Dixon is such a conservative used thing that is greatly outdated.If you take the amtrak and seek the southeastern section you will not see DC/MD,it will be part of the northeastern corridor because of this map below which displays the 5 great northeastern cities with populations 500,000 and above laying directly diagonally

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My mother is a DC native,though shes been worldwide with my father during her long marriage and military traveling she has never lost her DC accents,when were in NYC some say she sounds southern,others can never pick up were shes from and think she is just a regular new yorker.When we travel south almost everyone that she encounters tells her things like

YOU TALK SO PROPER !

YOU TALK SO CITY!

They definetly tell me that.When we were in New Orleans ,we pronounce it how it is spelled,the residents there laughed at us and said yall city people say it so funny lol!

What angers me is when black southerners tell me i talk like a WHITEBOY! as if only white americans can have clearer dialects or proper sounding english,such an insult.(I'm african american)

[GetatMD]

Maryland is the south, its just the northernmost southern state. And yes there are southern accents in Maryland. If you are not FROM Baltimore, please dont speak on it my man. Most of the people from Baltimore have Carolina and Kentucky roots, mine being Carolina. Baltimore is a southern city, visit North Baltimore, its a world apart from what you see on the wire. Eastern shore is southern, they are lower in latitude than the rest of the state. From Princess anne area, you can be in N.C. in 2 and a half hours. I'm southern and I know ALOT of people who will say the same. So speak for yourself. If you are not southern, thats fine. But dont speak on how anyone else lives because there are alot of people here who are southern.. WITH southern accents. Maryland is the northernmost state with a humid-subtropical climate.. so we have a southern climate. It RARELY even snows in the eastern-shore. We have the northern-most southern swamps also. After Maryland, bye bye southern swamps. What it sounds like to me is you grew up in the burbs and you're just a plain person, thats fine. But alot of us have roots tied into this **** and get offended when you disrespect their culture... as you can see. YOU ARE NORTHERN.. alot of us arent. Maryland is also southern in uniform.. just look around. Are there is plantations everywhere.. farms.. swamps.. underground railroad tours. THe racism here is rediculous... I wonder why?? It might have something to do with jim crow(segregation) ending here in 1968. Baltimore is still segregated till this day. So homie, please speak for yaself. ALot of us are raised southern here.. live southern here... talk southern here... eat southern here... leave the state and been told we're southern because we're from here... live under the mason-dixon here... and will always be southern here. At MOST you can call us a border state.. but NORTHERN we've never been and never will be. Can I get a witness?

[GetatMD]

Originally Posted by MD_IS_NORTH

If you look at the maps eastern coast and see MARYLAND,its sits northern or mid and does not sit southern at all.This is why people usually think of it as northern or inbetween(mid atlantic).Its like taking your two fingers and measuring the length between virginia on down through florida which is much longer than maine from Maryland.CATCH MY DRIFT?


PICTURE SOMEONE FROM THIS RED SHADED AREA REPPING THA SOUTH? DOESNT FIT!

IT MAY SNOW NEXT MONTH SOME 10 INCHES,YEA YOU SOUTHERN ALRIGHT LOL!

WINDCHILLS ARE KNOWN IN WINTERS TO GET BELOW 0-YEA YOU FROM THE SOUTH LOL

BIRDS DONT FLOCK TO MARYLAND IN THE WINTER FOR WARMTH LOL.

Okay.. thats fine. Its about just geography.. its about culture. ANd Maryland is so nicely situated, that you can only speak for yourself. Look at the states that border us.. Va, WV, Del.. and one northern state.. PA. Tenn, one state away. NC.. one state away.. Kentucky.. one state away.. Arkansas.. two states away.. S.C. two states away... catch my drift? THere is no US when referring to Maryland. And if you wanna get TECHNICAL.. THE CENSUS Bureau officially divides the regions and Maryland is a SOUTH-ATLANTIC state. So if you need me to just simply shut down your arguement, your opinion doesn't matter, we're OFFICIALLY the south. That same wikipedia article you took this map from will tell you. E-mail the bureau..they'll tell you.

[CHIP72]

Uh, New Jersey and New York are also 2 states away from Maryland (and for that matter so is Ohio), so the argument that Maryland is a southern state because it is close to southern areas isn't really valid. It is also close to northern areas.

[vanyali]

Maryland is only Southern if you consider anything south of New England to be Southern. That's the traditional definition, going back to Colonial Times. Historians have defined the concept of three Souths -- the Deep South, Middle South and Upper South (stretching all the way into Delaware).

I think that more casually people nowadays distinguish between Northern (New England), Southern (the Deep South), and Mid-Atlantic, which would include Virginia, MD, DC and Delaware (any maybe some other stuff, you all can argue about that if you want).

So, maybe the reason that no one can agree on whether MD is Northern or Southern is that it's neither. It's in the middle.

[nickluva]

Originally Posted by GetatMD

Maryland is the south, its just the northernmost southern state. And yes there are southern accents in Maryland. If you are not FROM Baltimore, please dont speak on it my man. Most of the people from Baltimore have Carolina and Kentucky roots, mine being Carolina. Baltimore is a southern city, visit North Baltimore, its a world apart from what you see on the wire. Eastern shore is southern, they are lower in latitude than the rest of the state. From Princess anne area, you can be in N.C. in 2 and a half hours. I'm southern and I know ALOT of people who will say the same. So speak for yourself. If you are not southern, thats fine. But dont speak on how anyone else lives because there are alot of people here who are southern.. WITH southern accents. Maryland is the northernmost state with a humid-subtropical climate.. so we have a southern climate. It RARELY even snows in the eastern-shore. We have the northern-most southern swamps also. After Maryland, bye bye southern swamps. What it sounds like to me is you grew up in the burbs and you're just a plain person, thats fine. But alot of us have roots tied into this **** and get offended when you disrespect their culture... as you can see. YOU ARE NORTHERN.. alot of us arent. Maryland is also southern in uniform.. just look around. Are there is plantations everywhere.. farms.. swamps.. underground railroad tours. THe racism here is rediculous... I wonder why?? It might have something to do with jim crow(segregation) ending here in 1968. Baltimore is still segregated till this day. So homie, please speak for yaself. ALot of us are raised southern here.. live southern here... talk southern here... eat southern here... leave the state and been told we're southern because we're from here... live under the mason-dixon here... and will always be southern here. At MOST you can call us a border state.. but NORTHERN we've never been and never will be. Can I get a witness?

NO YOU CAN'T!!! This is what's so funny about growing up in Maryland you're either in three groups: 1. Those who try their hardest to act southern when it's not really that southern up here. 2)Those who try their hardest to act like they're from New York and 3)Those who know it's a mix of both here and claim "Mid-Atlantic" or "Northeast Corridor"

Have you ever been up north it seems like that they're more racist up there(Boston and Jersey). Plus Boston is more segregated than B'more and DC. I give you Carolina roots thing but I haven't really met anyone from Kentucky. The Eastern Shore is mostly southern but Baltimore is more northern going by it's skyline and density alone. The accents in Baltimore are very similar to Philly's. New Jersey has swamps too does that make them southern? Also there was also slavery going on up north too that's a dirty little secret they like to hide up there. Oh and the Princess Anne is 2 1/2 hours away from NC logic It only takes 30-45 minutes to get from Elkton to Philly so what's your point? A lot of us was raised southern here, live southern here, talk southern here and eat southern here???? Do you even know what SOUTHERN is? You can't even get sweet tea or country ham in MD.

Going off of personal experience typical people from the places south of MD consider it northern and laugh at people like you who try their hardest to act so "southern". Typical people north of MD thinks MD is southern except for some who actually venture down past MD and into areas like VA and NC and then they say it's in between. Then there's people up in Boston that think New York is "southern"so they think most of the east coast is "southern" and then there's people in Alabama that think North Carolina is "northern"

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[quote]Maryland is the south, its just the northernmost southern state. And yes there are southern accents in Maryland. If you are not FROM Baltimore, please dont speak on it my man. Most of the people from Baltimore have Carolina and Kentucky roots, mine being Carolina. Baltimore is a southern city, visit North Baltimore, its a world apart from what you see on the wire. Eastern shore is southern, they are lower in latitude than the rest of the state. From Princess anne area, you can be in N.C. in 2 and a half hours. I'm southern and I know ALOT of people who will say the same. So speak for yourself. If you are not southern, thats fine. But dont speak on how anyone else lives because there are alot of people here who are southern.. WITH southern accents. Maryland is the northernmost state with a humid-subtropical climate.. so we have a southern climate. It RARELY even snows in the eastern-shore. We have the northern-most southern swamps also. After Maryland, bye bye southern swamps. What it sounds like to me is you grew up in the burbs and you're just a plain person, thats fine. But alot of us have roots tied into this **** and get offended when you disrespect their culture... as you can see. YOU ARE NORTHERN.. alot of us arent. Maryland is also southern in uniform.. just look around. Are there is plantations everywhere.. farms.. swamps.. underground railroad tours. THe racism here is rediculous... I wonder why?? It might have something to do with jim crow(segregation) ending here in 1968. Baltimore is still segregated till this day. So homie, please speak for yaself. ALot of us are raised southern here.. live southern here... talk southern here... eat southern here... leave the state and been told we're southern because we're from here... live under the mason-dixon here... and will always be southern here. At MOST you can call us a border state.. but NORTHERN we've never been and never will be. Can I get a witness?[/quote]

NO YOU CANNOT,BECAUSE YOUR STATEMENTS MAKE ME THINK YOU JUST WANT TO BE FROM THE SOUTH,LET ME CORRECT YOUR FLAWED LOGIC A BIT.

And yes there are southern accents in Maryland. If you are not FROM Baltimore, please dont speak on it my man. Most of the people from Baltimore have Carolina and Kentucky roots, mine being Carolina. Baltimore is a southern city, visit North Baltimore, its a world apart from what you see on the wire. Eastern shore is southern

Southern accents were?? There is no baltimore native with an accent that is remotely similar to a southern accent and thats just factual.The most you ever hear are those with southern or southern alike twangs with words still pronounced in ways a southerner would consider city or northern.Most Maryland accents are generally northern to neutral sounding as they could be be from anywere but the south(especially deep).And who are you to tell me what not to speak on just because i am not from Baltimore.You do not tell me what do i speak on,nor can you be serious to truly think because someone is not from Baltimore they know nothing about the city.Baltimore just like every other northeastern city has a southern influence and transition,that has been common since the early days of Harlem residents ancestors in the 30's and 40's arriving from the south.Baltimore being closer to the south than NYC today has more concentrated southern residents that moved to the city some 10 years ago in which many have lost there heavy southern drawl and retained a mixture,yet still its natives from counties surrounding it have been in the area for decades long and they have northern accents or accents that are very neutral.

I'm southern and I know ALOT of people who will say the same. So speak for yourself. If you are not southern, thats fine. But dont speak on how anyone else lives because there are alot of people here who are southern.. WITH southern accents

You are not southern if you are from Maryland,DEAL WITH IT!.You will be seen as a complete fool if you are in lousiana telling them southerners (who likely will hear your Maryland accent and still call you a cityboy because they cannot pick up on your twang) because you probably do not have a traditional southern accent just like most of Marylands residents do not.

Maryland is the northernmost state with a humid-subtropical climate.. so we have a southern climate. It RARELY even snows in the eastern-shore. We have the northern-most southern swamps also. After Maryland, bye bye southern swamps

Are you serious?? Maryland has a climate extremely similar to NYC climate,both areas suffer devastating snowfall due to NOR'EASTERS that ride up the coast,both areas usually see rainfall from the same systems as well as snow or whatever falls.Both areas have seen a dud in its winters in the last past couple of years due to global warming and LA NINA.Maryland humidity and heat is nothing like it is in South Carolina or Virginia and that is just factual based on the equator being closer toward the southern most states than the northern ones.Northernmost southern swamps?? No we have swamps because we are north enough were the swamps become extremely common the further north you travel.the Maryland as well as rural areas of Pennsylvania and even Jersey are extremely swampy and that is because both areas are of the same elevation and are extremely close.Swamps are found in the catskills of NYC and the valleys surrounding the city in jersey lol.Swamps arent too common in the south were usually you find valleys,cornfields and low elevated (yet still high mountainous areas).You will find swamps primarily in Florida,or areas of mississipi and lousianas coast or deep within the state.Swamps are not common after you leave DC on south through Virginia,the most you see are rivers and lakes with a few spotty swampy areas surrounding them.

What it sounds like to me is you grew up in the burbs and you're just a plain person, thats fine. But alot of us have roots tied into this **** and get offended when you disrespect their culture... as you can see. YOU ARE NORTHERN.. alot of us arent. Maryland is also southern in uniform.. just look around. Are there is plantations everywhere.. farms.. swamps.. underground railroad tours. THe racism here is rediculous... I wonder why

Oh stop the exaggerated fables man.The racism in Md is no different from racism you will see in any other rural county in NY state as well as other counties in northern states,its just not nearly as common as the racism in VA on down through the southern states.Md is extremely liberal in mindset and the racism here is not comparible at all to the south(especially JENA/LOUISANA).Farms?? HA there is many farms in rural Pilesgrove,New Jersey.What city operates without some plantation or it being connected to one?? Ha dude please,just like its fellow northern states,Marylands city areas are liberal,not very religious struck,energetic like its northern cities,structure built like its northern cities,accents and words that come from its northern cities,dressing styles remotely similar to other northern cities,and weather that is remotely similar.

-pilesgrove farm rodeo

So homie, please speak for yaself. ALot of us are raised southern here.. live southern here... talk southern here... eat southern here... leave the state and been told we're southern because we're from here... live under the mason-dixon here... and

First off ,i'm not your homie.Second alot of you all are just northerners,live northern,talk northern,(think you talk southern perhaps with your small twangs perhaps because of a possible subconscious unawareness that the southern hip hop movement is booming and causing you the need to try to assimilate with them to the point you try to conform to there world and lifestyle,especially by using something as outdated as the Mason dixon line)

Eat southern?? theres a place called southern fried chicken on 125th street in Manhattan.NYC with another extremely popular southern restaurant there that recently made headlines as of several months ago called Sylvias,Yet another one is called MANNAS,Southern eating is common in NYC just as it is in MD.However you still will find a plethora or,NY, PA,NJ ,Marylanders and DC residents that frown on common southern foods such as PIGS FEET,CHITLINS,NECKBONES and etc.

You are part of the northeastern corridor,it is the most recent official determination of northeastern by transportation,politics,and a host of other businesses and geographical maps today....DEAL WITH IT!

MARYLAND IS NORTH,WAS NEVER TRULY THE SOUTH,HAS SOUTHERN INFLUENCES THAT ARE AT MOST MINIMAL AND THROUGH SPOTTY AREAS,YET STILL IT REMAINS A VERY NORTHERN STATE,WITH NORTHERN CLIMATES,NORTHERN MINDSETS,CITIES WITH NORTHERN FEELS AND SNOW ROUTES ALONGSLIDE NORTHERN LIBERAL MINDSETS AND ACCENTS SIMILAR. DEAL WITH IT!

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Originally Posted by GetatMD

Okay.. thats fine. Its about just geography.. its about culture. ANd Maryland is so nicely situated, that you can only speak for yourself. Look at the states that border us.. Va, WV, Del.. and one northern state.. PA. Tenn, one state away. NC.. one state away.. Kentucky.. one state away.. Arkansas.. two states away.. S.C. two states away... catch my drift? THere is no US when referring to Maryland. And if you wanna get TECHNICAL.. THE CENSUS Bureau officially divides the regions and Maryland is a SOUTH-ATLANTIC state. So if you need me to just simply shut down your arguement, your opinion doesn't matter, we're OFFICIALLY the south. That same wikipedia article you took this map from will tell you. E-mail the bureau..they'll tell you.

The only person you shutting down is yourself.Regardless what the census bureau considers you,YOU ARE NORTHERN!,YOU ARE PART OF THE NORTHEASTERN CORRIDOR,MARYLAND WAS NEVER TRULY THE SOUTH,THE DETERMINATION THAT IS WAS SOUTH WAS BASED ON SOMETHING CONSERVATIVES POPULARIZED AS DETERMINING SOUTH WHEN IN ACTUALITY IT WAS NOT.EVEN ON WIKIPEDIA,IT MENTIONS THAT MARYLAND,DELAWARE,DC ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED NORTHERN BECAUSE OF ITS LIBERAL MINDSET,ITS CULTURE AMONG A HOST OF OTHER THINGS.MARYLAND CULTURE IS NOT SOUTHERN DUDE,SO PLEASE TAKE YOUR SOUTHERN ROOTS AND STOP TRYING TO APPLY THEM TO THE AVERAGE MARYLAND RESIDENT.I THINK YOU ARE JUST A MARYLANDER WITH ROOTS TIED TO THE SOUTH SOME DECADES AGO,YET STILL FEEL THE NEED TO CONSIDER YOURSELF SOUTHERN WHEN A SOUTHERNER WOULD NEVER.

YOU ARE PART OF THE NORTHEASTERN CORRIDOR,LIKE IT OR NOT.IT IS REFERRED,MENTIONED AND MUCH MORE OFFICIAL THAN THE MASON DIXON LINE.IT IS PART OF MAIN TRANSPORTATION(REFER TO AMTRAK).