Do people in Maryland consider themselves North, Southern, or in Between? (Baltimore: transfer, landlord)
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MDisNorth, it seems like we are getting somewhere now since you mentioned the "Dere" vs. "Thurr" opposition. I wouldn't say that this difference defines the Southern Dialect since nearly all African American dialects are considered Southern and they mostly use the "Dere" pronounciation.
I just don't understand your animosity. You seem to be so sure of yourself and your opinions, but when you are questioned about it you respond with gigantic blocks of rambling, insulting, and confusing text. I actually read back over some of your posts and found some useful info but it was nearly lost in the explosion of inane comments like "MD is SOOO North it is not even funny," and stuff like that. It is hard to take your lingustics seriously when it is presented in this context.
Anyway, I don't think you are really open to anyone elses opinion on this but your own so I will just leave you to it. Good luck.
Nope,Thurr is a southern dialect word,used in the southern regions of Virginia,states south of it, and even out Midwest.Nearly all African americans are considered southern?? Could you elaborate because that comment didnt make sense to me.
My animosity?? There is none,i just have a blunt way of expressing my argument which you might not be able to handle,some of the things you said i found false or extremely exaggerated.Oh and so sure of myself and my opinions?? The difference is i spoke facts,not opinions,i backed my facts with credible sources,plethora of them,you have not discredit,nor can you discredit the facts present regarding the sources i posted(BOSWASH MEGAPOLIS,NORTHEASTERN CORRIDOR,ETC).
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I actually read back over some of your posts and found some useful info but it was nearly lost in the explosion of inane comments like "MD is SOOO North it is not even funny," and stuff like that. It is hard to take your lingustics seriously when it is presented in this context.
It is also hard to take you serious when you sit and try to insult my intelligence on this issue and matter,now all of sudden you found some useful informative information i posted.Pardon my urban slang as it sometimes can be due to an association with speaking on other board to those who speak with an urban linguistics.Its not about being open to an opinion,its about your refusal to accept the facts and your refusal to accept the fact that there remains a difference between any southern dialect out of the northeastern corridor region and the dialects primarily found in Maryland areas were similar dialects exist because of the northeastern mixture ,even within your own source i found some rather uncovered areas that had an extensive amount of southern dialects due to its migration,yet still also found some informative info regarding other areas i was not to aware of.Anyways i presented my proof and proved my point.The state is northern,southern influences exist as i always stated yes,but are indeed minimal.
Anyways,i think we should just carry on at this point,glad you found some info i posted that you could use.
Last edited by MD_IS_NORTH; 02-13-2008 at 01:43 PM..
Why do you say sweet tea is abdomination? I love sweet southern tea lol,its just not common in MD or in the northeast at all unless you visit these southern family owned restaurants lol.
If you MUST know.. the McDonalds sweet teas were tried in southern states before they were officially put on menus. Just to let you know, MARYLAND was one of those southern states. ANywhere above the Mason D they are called southern sweet teas whereas down here they are just sweet teas.
MDisNorth, I am not the one generalizing. I am saying different parts of MD and different people have different degrees of cultural identity with the North or the South. You are generalizing by aggressively trying to place the whole state into one basket.
Additionally, if you want to do some real, hardcore, academic research into linguistics, check out both William Labov's projects at the University of Pennsylvania and Hans Kurath's classic work "The Dialect Atlas of the United States" Both works clearly place Southern Maryland and the lower Eastern Shore into the Southern Dialect region. Nothing personal, but I hold their opinion in higher regard than yours.
Lastly, please stop posting in all caps and in bold font. I don't know how much you know about the internet, but typing this way is the equivilant of yelling at the top of your lungs.
Thankyou.. this guy is like.. over aggressive. He's trying to make us northern..lol. Obviously if enough ppl in here consider themselves southern then you cant mark the state. Northern ppl just dont walk around calling themselves southern if they aren't.
NAH,I JUST LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS BETTER,IT ALWAYS SET OFF ENERGY THAT GRABS MORE ATTENTION EASILY BECAUSE OF ITS VIGOROUS LOOK.
DID YOU LISTEN TO THE AUDIO?
It actually makes me skim through your readings because I can feel the aggression. I dont take too well to aggression, especially knowing how easy it is to be tough behind the computer screen. Talk like a normal person please as I'm sure that if we were all present you wouldn't be yelling at anyone.
Chicago has that southern migration as well as all the other midwestern states,i was just observing how southern Kanye West sounds when he talked during the Grammys last night receiving an award.I was shocked when i went to chicago at how southern many sound.I kept saying wow you sound mad southern lol.
Whats funny is even in NYC,when i first moved there from MD and some people said i was country,there was always someone who said something along the lines of""NO WAY,I BEEN DOWNSOUTH AND HEARD COUNTRY AND HE AINT IT,HE DONT HAVE A NEW YORK ACCENT,BUT HE AINT COUNTRY,NO WAY!"nowadays i have more a tri-state accent having been a NY resident for 6 years.I just laugh,i walk outside of DC and i just get a northern vibe and the energy,currently im in DC visited,i wake up and see all this energy and traffic and people and say this is definetly northern,the attitudes some city residents carry,very city,the usage of the metro system being concurrent to NYC though totally different in looks and etc lol,i walked to good hope rd to the corner store,felt this bitter air,came back inside saw the weather man say next sunday could be a possible snowstorm for DC and said oh yea this is the south
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JUST LISTEN TO THE AUDIOS,,EVEN THE TWO EASTERN SHORE BOYS HAD DISTANT ACCENTS FROM WHAT YOUR USUALLY LIKELY TO HEAR IN STATES VIRGINIA ON SOUTH.
Just to let you know it does snow it the south and it rarely snows on the eastern shore of MD. It snows in Va, Nc, Ak, Tenn, Ky and a few more across the upper south so please dont base it on the fact that it snows here. We are aware that we do not reside in the DEEP SOUTH.. but not everything in the south is the deep south.
Those places are too young and spread out to be even considered. Those cities that you mentioned above seem to carry more of the negative aspects(crime,traffic,sprawl,stepfordness,etc)and lack the positive ones(density,culture,originality,history,etc) of what makes a "city". They only feel nicer because these places cities are newer.
The northeast corridor and the west coast are like that because it's faster paced than the south and the midwest. When you always rushing you don't really have the time to be nice and friendly that's only optional
I doubt you have been to these cities. They are cities just like any other city.. with extensive beltway systems.. suburbs.. skylines.. project buildings.. just like any other city. Do not be fooled by your own hype, its 2008. These are major cities in our country and economy.. what makes you think that they are country?? The ppl there just sound country, thats all. And if you must know.. Nashville, Memphis, and Atlanta are all faster-paced cities than Baltimore, I've been and have family in 2 out of the 3.
Nope,Thurr is a southern dialect word,used in the southern regions of Virginia,states south of it, and even out Midwest.Nearly all African americans are considered southern?? Could you elaborate because that comment didnt make sense to me.
My animosity?? There is none,i just have a blunt way of expressing my argument which you might not be able to handle,some of the things you said i found false or extremely exaggerated.Oh and so sure of myself and my opinions?? The difference is i spoke facts,not opinions,i backed my facts with credible sources,plethora of them,you have not discredit,nor can you discredit the facts present regarding the sources i posted(BOSWASH MEGAPOLIS,NORTHEASTERN CORRIDOR,ETC).
It is also hard to take you serious when you sit and try to insult my intelligence on this issue and matter,now all of sudden you found some useful informative information i posted.Pardon my urban slang as it sometimes can be due to an association with speaking on other board to those who speak with an urban linguistics.Its not about being open to an opinion,its about your refusal to accept the facts and your refusal to accept the fact that there remains a difference between any southern dialect out of the northeastern corridor region and the dialects primarily found in Maryland areas were similar dialects exist because of the northeastern mixture ,even within your own source i found some rather uncovered areas that had an extensive amount of southern dialects due to its migration,yet still also found some informative info regarding other areas i was not to aware of.Anyways i presented my proof and proved my point.The state is northern,southern influences exist as i always stated yes,but are indeed minimal.
Anyways,i think we should just carry on at this point,glad you found some info i posted that you could use.
I went to Salisbury University and the natives have southern accents. And they have HARD "R's" just like that... I told them I'm from Bmore... "Oo.. I've been up thurr.." so.. you're helping prove my point. Thankyou
If you MUST know.. the McDonalds sweet teas were tried in southern states before they were officially put on menus. Just to let you know, MARYLAND was one of those southern states. ANywhere above the Mason D they are called southern sweet teas whereas down here they are just sweet teas.
If you must know,Maryland is not a southern state,you cannot nor will ever discredit the Northeastern corridor so stop trying to debate against facts.
And stop it,Sweet southern tea is not a Maryland thing,go to your average Maryland restaurant ask for some tea,watch they give you NESTEA from the soda machine in the back.Southern tea is not common in Maryland.
Last edited by MD_IS_NORTH; 02-14-2008 at 11:49 AM..
Just to let you know it does snow it the south and it rarely snows on the eastern shore of MD. It snows in Va, Nc, Ak, Tenn, Ky and a few more across the upper south so please dont base it on the fact that it snows here. We are aware that we do not reside in the DEEP SOUTH.. but not everything in the south is the deep south.
Just to correct you,snow is not common in the southern as it is in the northeastern states of Maryland up through Maine.Blizzards are not common in these areas,Nor,easters are huge storms that pound the Northeastern states of Maryland on up through maine(some of Northern virginia.being that its in close proximity)
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Nor'easters form along the East Coast of the United States, usually in the months between October, and April, although nor'easters can form any time of the year.[2] When a nor'easter starts forming in the Gulf of Mexico, moist air and high dew points feed into the developing storm. The storm will then reach the Atlantic Ocean and begin to strengthen. Some nor'easters will deepen rapidly in intensity, becoming as strong as moderate hurricanes sometimes. This is caused by the warm water in the Gulf Stream that the nor'easter can feed off of.[3]
The sharp contrast in the cold Labrador current and the warm Gulf Stream, as well as the topographic nature of the Northeast, make the Mid-Atlantic and New England coast one of the most conducive areas in the world for nor'easter formation
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