Do people in Maryland consider themselves North, Southern, or in Between?

[Northeast_Corridor]

Originally Posted by DITC

Maryland is the south, although its very developed in the DC and Baltimore suburbs. The south really starts below Trenton and I-195 in New Jersey. There is a huge split along this line in everything (more so than the Mason-Dixon), from accents to pace of life to styles of dress. There is a rodeo in South Jersey and I have met NJ natives who fly the confederate flag. MD, PA, DE, and Southern NJ natives are very similar people, hence the Mid-Atlantic grouping.

New England and NY metro, however, are totally different areas.

No they are not TOTALLY different,they are remotely similar among many things from Weather,Politics,Mentalities,Culture and both have southern migrations,its just being Maryland is closer to the real solid south(Virginia),its southern migration along with its influences are more obvious in southern areas.Maryland is the north.There is no huge split from the accents in Maryland to Delaware and south Jersey,that area has northern dialect.What makes you think the dialects change from upper Maryland,into Delaware on through South jersey when all 3 are no more than 11 miles apart lmaoooo.This is funny.The styles of dressing in Marylands urban areas are very similar,if not the same as it is in other Northeast cities,Northface is a common coat worn within the Northeastern Corridor,as well as Nike boots and a plethora of other things.Maryland is part of the Northeastern Corridor,no one can ever prove or discredit this fact.This is what the masses of people refer to.




Now i cn picture someone trying there hardest to discredit this,yet they cannot.This has been popularized which is why the average poster here agrees its Northern or Mid Atlantic.Even the wikipedia sources posted state today the common determination of the truth south starts in Virginia to West Virginia.

Modern definition

The states in dark red are almost always included in modern day definitions of the South, while those in medium red are usually included. The striped states are sometimes/occasionally considered Southern. Note that the Mason-Dixon line forms part of the northern boundary of the striped states

Someone posted this map for proof.Well they should of posted the entire info,instead of the map only as to prove Maryland is southern.

Debate whether border states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and West Virginia belong on the north or south side of this boundary line continues to this day. However, a common assumption of the split between "northern" and "southern" U.S. lies between Virginia and West Virginia.

[Northeast_Corridor]

Originally Posted by DITC

For your information, the NY/NJ people that move to your state don't just move there for no reason. They move because the tri-state is getting too expensive and crowded. The so called "bad" areas around here are moving farther into the outer boroughs and farther out into Long Island, Westchester, and Jersey. The result is either a cramping of people into towns closer to Manhattan with astronomical prices or pushing people into long commutes from places such as South Jersey, Scranton PA, Upstate NY, and deep into CT.

And what is pushing the "bad" areas out farther? Ironically its the current 20 and 30 somethings who are transplants from places such as Kansas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and yes, Maryland. They have NY dreams...maybe they watched too much Friends or MTV as a kid, who knows? However, they realize that bringing the bland "American" life into a very ethnic melting pot is actually destroying the fabric of a very unique place. You don't want our culture, and that is fine, but we don't want your sameness. Manhattan has turned into a giant big box chain store, and is overcrowded. Ethnic NY is on its last days and the accent is pretty much void among Manhattan "residents". The middle class is disappearing very fast, and not to be NY-centric, but that is a huge issue because this city is a huge contributor to the American economy. Its going to become a bunch of white collar workers with no electricity, plumbing, garbage collection, firemen, policemen, etc.

Yes we have our bad apples. Maybe they see lower cost Maryland as an opportunity to be the Joneses instead of keeping up with them. But thats just as ignorant as Maryland kids moving into places like East Harlem and Bed Stuy, pushing hard out working families whose jobs are the foundations of this city.

We are going through the same thing as you are pal.

This is no proof it is south,so please refrain from trying to group it as southern.Besides The reason they move southward to Maryland is because it is in close promixity to the Washington D.C area which has living expenses that are remotely similar to Manhattan and the job market with D.C goverment pays extraordinarily well,Maryland cost of living is high as hell compared to that in the southern states.Even the cost of living in Northern Virginia is high and expensive being close to Washington DC were there is the southward on northward commute from places as far south as Lynchburg or Richmond.The middle class is not disappearing in Manhattan,it is actually increasing due to Gentrification.Columbia University is at a fight with Harlem residents over who should be able to own the area.They brought 116th street and broadway on up through 135th street and broadway.The major fear is happening in most cities in the country,the poor is being pushed out and the middle to upper class are moving in these poor areas,fixing them up and the rent becomes unaffordable for its low income earning residents.

[Northeast_Corridor]

Originally Posted by Bydand

The ONLY time I ever heard the Civil War mentioned outside of a history class was when I was living in the South. Nobody in the North give a rats arse about something that happened 140+ years ago.

Which is why the Mason Dixon line is usually ignored and only used by those who are ignorant of the popularized Northeastern Corridor.

[Northeast_Corridor]

Originally Posted by UAbear

I moved to Maryland after college and I noticed after living here for 8 years that it really does have the culture of any other southern state..

OH MY LORD,This is so far from the truth.You cannot be serious with such a false incorrect statement.The culture of Maryland is very northern,perhaps you need to do a bit more reading.The state has southern characteristics in areas were southern migration from the south was common,its natives were not originally southern bound.

It was the seventh state to ratify the United States Constitution and bears two nicknames, the Old Line State and the Free State. Its history as a border state has led it to exhibit characteristics of both the Northern and Southern regions of the United States. As a general rule, the rural areas of Maryland, such as Western[citation needed], Southern, and Eastern Maryland, are more Southern in culture, while densely-populated Central Maryland — areas in the Baltimore and the Washington Beltway Regions — exhibit more Northern characteristics.

And even within the southern alike culture,it is still mixed with the northeastern influences,hence:them only saying it was MORE in southern culture,not completely of southern culture,to say it has a culture the same as any state in the south,is beyond false and untrue.

[Northeast_Corridor]

Chris Matthews Quote From Msnbc During The Potomac Primaries

Once regarded as the south due to the Mason Dixon Line,Today Maryland And D.C Are More Aligned With The Northeast,being Part Of The Northeastern Corridor,along With Its Cultural Background

Referencing Its Very Liberal Background.politically Every Liberal State Is Within The Northeastern Corridor.I currently live in NYC,there are plenty of people that are well aware of this,have referred to Maryland as simply being the start of the north or inbetween.90 percent southerners in a survery i read awhile back consider Virginia to be the solid start of the south due to many things such as politics and culture.The Census Bureau reacts on the conservative old fashion Mason Dixon map,which is greatly ignored by much today,including the Department of transportation.
Refer to Amtrak.com,they clearly promote the state as being the Northeast.Not only that.Lets speak the BoSWASH megapolis,which further cannot be discredited and is the reason why many Northeastern state residents consider Maryland to be northern.

French geographer Jean Gottmann (1915-1994) studied the northeastern United States during the 1950s and published a book in 1961 that described the region as a vast metropolitan area over 500 miles long stretching from Boston in the north to Washington, D.C. in the south. This area (and the title of Gottmann's book) is Megalopolis.

The term Megalopolis is derived from Greek and means "very large city." A group of Ancient Greeks actually planned to construct a huge city on the Peloponnese Peninsula. Their plan didn't work out but the small city of Megalopolis was constructed and exists to this day.
Gottmann's Megalopolis (sometimes referred to as BosWash for the northern and southern tips of the area) is a very large functional urban region that "provides the whole of America with so many essential services, of the sort a community used to obtain in its 'downtown' section, that it may well deserve the nickname of 'Main Street of the nation.'" (Gottmann, 8) The Megalopolitan area of BosWash is a governmental center, banking center, media center, academic center, and until recently, an immigration center (a position usurped by Los Angeles in recent years).
Acknowledging that while, "a good deal of the land in the 'twilight areas' between the cities remains green, either still farmed or wooded, matters little to the continuity of Megalopolis," (Gottmann, 42) Gottmann expressed that it was the economic activity and the transportation, commuting, and communication linkages within Megalopolis that mattered most. Megalopolis has actually been developing over hundreds of years. It initially began as the colonial settlements on the Atlantic seaboard coalesced into villages, cities, and urban areas. Communication between Boston and Washington and the cities in between has always been extensive and transportation routes within Megalopolis are dense and have been in existence for several centuries.

MARYLAND IS NORTH,THE 5 MAJOR CITIES ARE WITHIN THE NORTHEAST

DC
BALTIMORE
PHILLY
NYC
BOSTON

[vanyali]

Originally Posted by DITC

Totally agree. And people can do whatever they want while there. But the right thing to do is respect the community you move into and its longtime residents, whether its a European ethnic community in NY or the Gay/Lesbian neighborhoods in SF or a Polish neighborhood in Chicago, and not try to change the community into something else. Sometimes one landlord/developer can screw up lives of many people. (Usually this is the case in the cities, as opposed to suburbs) But you cant enforce this...it happens and thats just life.



The person I responded to was talking about Montgomery County MD being flooded with NY/NJers. I know your I-270 corridor is the biotech capital of the country, and you are going to get many outsiders coming for jobs, especially people from our area because there are many of us and we have great schools here. The same thing happens in suburban Central NJ where there is a strong presence in the pharmaceutical industry. In that area, certain towns you can walk around and see nothing but Indian/Asian people. Its 2008 and people move for jobs/money first. If you live in a rich McMansion area near a big city expect to have some wealthy obnoxious snobs coming from anywhere.

I just do not understand how some people complain about outsiders when they have no idea what happens on the other side of the coin. No offense to MD, but the culture there is just a transferable suburb that could move anywhere from suburban Philly to suburban Houston. Please tell me what is unique about Montgomery County MD? DC always strikes me as the most transient city I have been to, and I like really DC too.

Up here whole communities who have roots dating back many generations get displaced for new groups such as transient artists who have meaningless jobs painting or in a CD store. The one, two or three little lone-standing Italian, Greek, Jewish, etc neighborhoods will someday be gone in NY as they are already gone in other cities like Newark and San Francisco. These places offer a lot to us up here, and unfortunately they do not get replaced when they are gone. Although they are sometimes a bit old school in thought, theyre great because theyre different, yet they integrated their culture into American culture, unlike many (not all) of today's immigrants. These areas are unique and can only be found a few places on this planet. Go visit an Italian or Jewish neighborhood and see what I mean. Youll never want to eat Pizza Hut or Subway deli ever again. And any outsider better not tell me NY culture is not unique and appreciated. I was in DC area on business and made about 50 people laugh with my stories/personality. I would be hard pressed to find the vice versa happening.

I don't think it matters how many MD'ers move up to New York, the Hasidim aren't leaving Brooklyn any time soon.

[vanyali]

Originally Posted by UAbear

Nickluva are you from Virginia, because its seems as if you are trying to demote Maryland to bring up the status of Virginia. Now would you want me to critize about how Virginia is in the north because, I've lived way further south than you, and you can't make the argument that Virginia is more southern than Alabama, or Louisania, or Georgia.

Why would VA have to me more Southern than GA to be "Southern"? Why can't it just be Southern in its own right?

I'm not going to quote all those maps, but the Civil War maps include Missouri as a Southern state too, and St Louis is the "Gateway to the West". I don't think anyone would really argue Missouri is culturally Southern. So I'm not sure the maps are dispositive.

[Northeast_Corridor]

Originally Posted by vanyali

Why would VA have to me more Southern than GA to be "Southern"? Why can't it just be Southern in its own right?

I'm not going to quote all those maps, but the Civil War maps include Missouri as a Southern state too, and St Louis is the "Gateway to the West". I don't think anyone would really argue Missouri is culturally Southern. So I'm not sure the maps are dispositive.

Almost everything he stated regarding the states position was far from truth,refer to the above.

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