Do people in Maryland consider themselves North, Southern, or in Between? (Baltimore: middle school, college)

[vivo]

late reply but oh well. i grew up in severna park and millersville in the 80's and 90's also went to college in md and lived in md until last yr. my parents are Indian Immigrants. didn't get a huge southern vibe. never lived in rural md, just sizeable towns in the bw/dc area. i thought it was odd when some people were referred to as miss in my first job by I think baltimoreans. seemed odd. i don't know if sp had a lot of transplants. fort meade is close by. lot of dc commuters back then?

do industry and immigration characterize northern cities exclusively? new orleans had a decent amy of immigration I think. what about charleston, sc ? industry in birmingham (or some other city) in alabama. or maybe it made these places less southern. donnow.

some philly accents sound like bmore and some sound like nyc (I tink) but I haven't had much personal experience with it.
hmm didn't even address the rest of the state.

are crabs popularr in western md?

[vivo]

jim cramer from a philly suburb on cnbc sounds like a combo of nyc and bmore accents

[Tom Lennox 70]

Originally Posted by vivo

late reply but oh well. i grew up in severna park and millersville in the 80's and 90's also went to college in md and lived in md until last yr. my parents are Indian Immigrants. didn't get a huge southern vibe. never lived in rural md, just sizeable towns in the bw/dc area. i thought it was odd when some people were referred to as miss in my first job by I think baltimoreans. seemed odd. i don't know if sp had a lot of transplants. fort meade is close by. lot of dc commuters back then?

do industry and immigration characterize northern cities exclusively? new orleans had a decent amy of immigration I think. what about charleston, sc ? industry in birmingham (or some other city) in alabama. or maybe it made these places less southern. donnow.

some philly accents sound like bmore and some sound like nyc (I tink) but I haven't had much personal experience with it.
hmm didn't even address the rest of the state.

are crabs popularr in western md?

No not really. Western Maryland, like Montgomery County, isn't the real Maryland.

See in Montgomery County we have neither crabs nor scrapple. I'm American but my parents are Taiwanese immigrants. MoCo is the worst place to grow up for someone like me. People are just very ethnic and segregated and the culture is not really authentically American. Like Baltimore has its uniqueness with the Preakness, horse racing, baseball, and crab cakes and seafood and scrapple. To this day, I wish my family had never moved from New Orleans and my cousins wish they had never had to move here from Boise.

We will always look back at the friendly smiles, wide open spaces, genuine warmth in both the people and the weather, the lower pace of life. The wonderful historic architecture of New Orleans or the amazing desert sunsets and starry skies of southern Idaho, fly-fishing in the mountains, the snow-capped mountains of the Tetons. The old little towns with those drive-in theaters and lemonade stands and Friday night football games. There's nothing like that on the East Coast. Montgomery County (and Howard) is just tasteless suburbia of nowhere.

People are either distantly cold (the Yankee transplants) or downright hostiles (ghetto people and illegals). This is just typical bland and cold northern culture and attitudes like in Long Island, Westchester, and Connecticut. Besides ethnic restaurants, the only places to eat here are places like Cheesecake Factory and Olive Garden, or ridiculously expensive places that people go to just to show off how rich they are. Just like in the New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.

I don't know if I should give Baltimore, Annapolis, or Frederick a chance because some of my friends say the "real Maryland" isn't Montgomery County.

People think I'm a northerner and I hate being associated with that. I make a point ot NEVER say "you guys". I always say "ya'll" or "you people" or "you folks". I also insist on Krispy kreme and not Dunkin Donuts now. I sometimes blast country music from my car just to spite the illegal aliens or the transplants. If I was not Asian, I would probably wave the Confederate flag. No, I have friends who wave it and they are not racist. For them it represents the old Maryland against the newcomers from New York. It sometimes bugs me that I say "soda" instead of "pop" or "coke". I feel less American because while I love Carrie Underwood and Rascal Flatts and Toby Keith I just can't get myself to love Patsy Cline, Kenny Rogers, Willie Nelson or Johnny Cash. I've never lived in the kind of places where the vast majority of ordinary Americans live and have the experiences that most Americans have. The typical American experience is found in the South and the heartland, not in the Northeast or the West Coast. Yes, while MoCo is "real", its not the typical American experience and most people cannot identify with it. On the other hand, most people in Montgomery County can't identify with the America beyond the county lines, except of course Northeast cities.

The Yankees have just so destroyed the character of what Montgomery COunty used to be. I am proud to say I haven't been north of the Mason-Dixon Line in more than 7 years. Even before then, it was only NYC, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Atlantic City. I am not going north again unless it is to pay my respects at Ground Zero and the Flight 93 memorial. I feel it is my patriotic duty to do this, and to visit Freedom Tower once its finished. I know enough about Yankees from the ones I've had to deal with all through my high school years, living in a snobby town outside DC overrun with them (Potomac). I really wish they would all just stop taking over our state. This is our home, after all, not theirs. I will not welcome them. I have no obligation to. I am only polite and friendly to the transplants when I've at work because I have to be. In private, if you talk with a Long Island accent don't expect any niceties or patience from me. If you have a license plate from north of the Mason-Dixon Line, don't expect me to give you directions or to let you pass. Its not like they're gonna respect me at all, and I know they look down on me, so why should I bother. I don't want those people in our state and neither do most native people from here. If any of ya'll disagree with me, you did not go to Churchill High School in Potomac and have to deal with them.

Yes, the SOuth has immigrants too, both legal (which is welcome) and illegal (which should be kicked out). The thing about immigrants is kinda different than with northerners. While some are illegals and criminals a lot are good people too who really want to be Americans and to contribute to this nation. An immigrant comes here with a clean slate and is often shaped by where they grow up and live.

[vivo]

[quote=Terrapin2212;1413294]No not really. Western Maryland, like Montgomery County, isn't the real Maryland.

See in Montgomery County we have neither crabs nor scrapple. I'm American but my parents are Taiwanese immigrants. MoCo is the worst place to grow up for someone like me. People are just very ethnic and segregated and the culture is not really authentically American. Like Baltimore has its uniqueness with the Preakness, horse racing, baseball, and crab cakes and seafood and scrapple. To this day, I wish my family had never moved from New Orleans and my cousins wish they had never had to move here from Boise.

We will always look back at the friendly smiles, wide open spaces, genuine warmth in both the people and the weather, the lower pace of life. The wonderful historic architecture of New Orleans or the amazing desert sunsets and starry skies of southern Idaho, fly-fishing in the mountains, the snow-capped mountains of the Tetons. The old little towns with those drive-in theaters and lemonade stands and Friday night football games. There's nothing like that on the East Coast. Montgomery County (and Howard) is just tasteless suburbia of nowhere.

People are either distantly cold (the Yankee transplants) or downright hostiles (ghetto people and illegals). This is just typical bland and cold northern culture and attitudes like in Long Island, Westchester, and Connecticut. Besides ethnic restaurants, the only places to eat here are places like Cheesecake Factory and Olive Garden, or ridiculously expensive places that people go to just to show off how rich they are. Just like in the New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.

I don't know if I should give Baltimore, Annapolis, or Frederick a chance because some of my friends say the "real Maryland" isn't Montgomery County.

People think I'm a northerner and I hate being associated with that. I make a point ot NEVER say "you guys". I always say "ya'll" or "you people" or "you folks". I also insist on Krispy kreme and not Dunkin Donuts now. I sometimes blast country music from my car just to spite the illegal aliens or the transplants. If I was not Asian, I would probably wave the Confederate flag. No, I have friends who wave it and they are not racist. For them it represents the old Maryland against the newcomers from New York. It sometimes bugs me that I say "soda" instead of "pop" or "coke". I feel less American because while I love Carrie Underwood and Rascal Flatts and Toby Keith I just can't get myself to love Patsy Cline, Kenny Rogers, Willie Nelson or Johnny Cash. I've never lived in the kind of places where the vast majority of ordinary Americans live and have the experiences that most Americans have. The typical American experience is found in the South and the heartland, not in the Northeast or the West Coast. Yes, while MoCo is "real", its not the typical American experience and most people cannot identify with it. On the other hand, most people in Montgomery County can't identify with the America beyond the county lines, except of course Northeast cities.

The Yankees have just so destroyed the character of what Montgomery COunty used to be. I am proud to say I haven't been north of the Mason-Dixon Line in more than 7 years. Even before then, it was only NYC, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Atlantic City. I am not going north again unless it is to pay my respects at Ground Zero and the Flight 93 memorial. I feel it is my patriotic duty to do this, and to visit Freedom Tower once its finished. I know enough about Yankees from the ones I've had to deal with all through my high school years, living in a snobby town outside DC overrun with them (Potomac). I really wish they would all just stop taking over our state. This is our home, after all, not theirs. I will not welcome them. I have no obligation to. I am only polite and friendly to the transplants when I've at work because I have to be. In private, if you talk with a Long Island accent don't expect any niceties or patience from me. If you have a license plate from north of the Mason-Dixon Line, don't expect me to give you directions or to let you pass. Its not like they're gonna respect me at all, and I know they look down on me, so why should I bother. I don't want those people in our state and neither do most native people from here. If any of ya'll disagree with me, you did not go to Churchill High School in Potomac and have to deal with them.

Yes, the SOuth has immigrants too, both legal (which is welcome) and illegal (which should be kicked out). The thing about immigrants is kinda different than with northerners. While some are illegals and criminals a lot are good people too who really want to be Americans and to contribute to this nation. An immigrant comes here with a clean slate and is often shaped by where they grow up and live.[/quote

dude u seem to be very militant about this. i guess living in the money corridor in moco has made you hateful of the nyers and other northeasterners. any thoughts as to rural northeasterners. are we counting states like mich, ohio, wisc as northern or midwestern in this discussion(though donnow if oh is officially the midwest but it's not the ne)

[vivo]

hoco is still less liberal than moco. u r taiwanese so I wouldn't suggest carroll co. well from what i've read. well maybe sykesville or something. poolesville?
u seem to want southern. most of md sq mileage wise i don't think is super liberal. i guess try the move to western md, so md, or eastern shore.

[vivo]

how long did u live in new orleans btw?

[sundaze]

To Terrapin -- People in Montgomery County do eat crab, and I know several good crab houses. PM me and I will tell you. As for scrapple, it originates in Pennsylvania and is nasty in my opinion just in terms of taste. I am sincerely sorry you are so unhappy -- I have also exprienced that people in the west tend to be much friendlier. This is not necessary true in the south though, which I have experienced travelling with someone of the opposite sex and opposite race. I think when places become crowded people tend to create some alone space in their mind by ignoring those around them. A lot of little towns around the country are having problems too -- Walmarts and other big box stores eliminating local businesses and changing the nature of those towns.
If I talked so someone with an accent, no matter what type, I would go into the encounter with the expectation that he or she would be nice. This is indeed possible, even in the case of people from New Jersey. Sometimes negative expectations can elicit negative results. You say you don't know whether to give people from Baltimore, Frederick, or Annapolis a chance. I suggest you do, there are very nice people in all of those places including my cousins and some good friends. And any unsuspecting person might move into Montogery County so I would give that person a chance, too. I wonder why you think people from North of the Mason Dixon line look down on you? You sound like a hard working person who also likes to have fun, I bet a lot of folks would like you especially if you start with a friendly smile.
I've told you before that my son graduated from Churchill, and yes there were some snobby people there but nice people also. He thinks he got a really good education and is doing well. I think everywhere there are cliques and people who are not so nice.
I call it "soda" though I seldom drink it, I like Johny Cash and Willie Nelson but I don't think liking any specific music is a requirement for American-ness. Just think if Scottish people HAD to like bagpipes. Pease, Terrapin, give yourself the freedom and inner peace to enjoy the music you life and ignore the stuff you don't. Live and let live. My grandmother played opera constantly (not from North-East) all 7 of her kids and her husband hated it though. Now I like it but none of my siblings. There is enough music for all of us to find things we ourselves life.
I wonder what percentage of American live now in urban areas as opposed to family farms or small towns. My guess is most of us are in urban areas. I don't like the phrase "real Americans" since we are all (all legal ones at least) actually Americans, I think it might be more accurate to think of typical Americans. I don't know exactly what it is but I think the trend is to more mechanized farming and more people living in large metropolitan eras.
I don't eat donuts so I am sadly unaware of the difference between krispy creme and dunkin donuts. Is one made in China or something? They are both non-nutrative sources of fat and sugar, what is Un-American there?
I hope you get into the dental school you want, and have a chance to experience a different way of living. My daughter lives in Raleigh and really likes it, but that area has its own set of problems. No Utopia, but do try to find a place you feel positive about and don't stay where you are unhappy. Life is too short.

[NYMTman]

For the record, nobody from the Western US would consider Maryland a Southern state. Almost everyone, at least in Montana, would lump it in with the Northeast.

[Billiam]

"No not really. Western Maryland, like Montgomery County, isn't the real Maryland."

well, it just isn't typical Maryland, but it is Maryland
And Montgomery county isn't western MD. Washington co. on is western MD for most people


"We will always look back at the friendly smiles, wide open spaces, genuine warmth in both the people and the weather, the lower pace of life. The wonderful historic architecture of New Orleans or the amazing desert sunsets and starry skies of southern Idaho, fly-fishing in the mountains, the snow-capped mountains of the Tetons. The old little towns with those drive-in theaters and lemonade stands and Friday night football games. There's nothing like that on the East Coast. Montgomery County (and Howard) is just tasteless suburbia of nowhere. "

yeah, all of the wide open spaces ect... are not found in a Major Metro area like that of DC/Baltimore. There are lemonaide stands here and friday night football here btw

"People are either distantly cold (the Yankee transplants) or downright hostiles (ghetto people and illegals). This is just typical bland and cold northern culture and attitudes like in Long Island, Westchester, and Connecticut. Besides ethnic restaurants, the only places to eat here are places like Cheesecake Factory and Olive Garden, or ridiculously expensive places that people go to just to show off how rich they are. Just like in the New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. "

"typical bland northern culture"...


"I don't know if I should give Baltimore, Annapolis, or Frederick a chance because some of my friends say the "real Maryland" isn't Montgomery County."

Like I said only the 'typical' MD are those places, but Montgomery co is a little...different

"People think I'm a northerner and I hate being associated with that. I make a point ot NEVER say "you guys". I always say "ya'll" or "you people" or "you folks". I also insist on Krispy kreme and not Dunkin Donuts now. I sometimes blast country music from my car just to spite the illegal aliens or the transplants. If I was not Asian, I would probably wave the Confederate flag. No, I have friends who wave it and they are not racist. For them it represents the old Maryland against the newcomers from New York. It sometimes bugs me that I say "soda" instead of "pop" or "coke". I feel less American because while I love Carrie Underwood and Rascal Flatts and Toby Keith I just can't get myself to love Patsy Cline, Kenny Rogers, Willie Nelson or Johnny Cash. I've never lived in the kind of places where the vast majority of ordinary Americans live and have the experiences that most Americans have. The typical American experience is found in the South and the heartland, not in the Northeast or the West Coast. Yes, while MoCo is "real", its not the typical American experience and most people cannot identify with it. On the other hand, most people in Montgomery County can't identify with the America beyond the county lines, except of course Northeast cities. "

People always say in the south, people are extremely friendly (from my experience it is true), and if you want to be considered south, you certainly don't act like it


"The Yankees have just so destroyed the character of what Montgomery COunty used to be. I am proud to say I haven't been north of the Mason-Dixon Line in more than 7 years. Even before then, it was only NYC, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Atlantic City. I am not going north again unless it is to pay my respects at Ground Zero and the Flight 93 memorial. I feel it is my patriotic duty to do this, and to visit Freedom Tower once its finished. I know enough about Yankees from the ones I've had to deal with all through my high school years, living in a snobby town outside DC overrun with them (Potomac). I really wish they would all just stop taking over our state. This is our home, after all, not theirs. I will not welcome them. I have no obligation to. I am only polite and friendly to the transplants when I've at work because I have to be. In private, if you talk with a Long Island accent don't expect any niceties or patience from me. If you have a license plate from north of the Mason-Dixon Line, don't expect me to give you directions or to let you pass. Its not like they're gonna respect me at all, and I know they look down on me, so why should I bother. I don't want those people in our state and neither do most native people from here. If any of ya'll disagree with me, you did not go to Churchill High School in Potomac and have to deal with them. "

Like I said "People always say in the south, people are extremely friendly (from my experience it is true), and if you want to be considered south, you certainly don't act like it". Also, being proud of not going above the line in 7 years, is extremely childish imho. And also, visiting Freedom tower doesn't pay respect, its just an office building, but going to the memorial where the towers actually stood would be paying true respect

[vivo]

Originally Posted by NYMTman

For the record, nobody from the Western US would consider Maryland a Southern state. Almost everyone, at least in Montana, would lump it in with the Northeast.

ic.
i've read some of your other posts. u an nyc and/or ne native? don't nycers typically think this is the south generally? maybe when they have lived here for a certain pd of time the opinion changes?

also terrapin-iisn't frederick/urbana getting a decent influx of dc commuters? perhaps try a small town in fred co. honestly keeping in mind u r asian i wouldn't want to go too far out of the city. what about southern anne arundel co? not sure if that could be lumped in with so md as far as southernness but at least there are some small towns and can drive up to annapolis. donnow if annapolis is too southern. calvert co?

i was raisedd in between glen burnie and annapolis. don't know much about south aaco. hmm looks like some of the towns may have a lotta dc commuters. but they are probably more laid back than potomac, bethesda etc. just did some wiki lookups.