Who's the next Governor of Maryland (North Beach: castle, residential, offices)

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by andrew_s

Correction i95 corridor politics in a nutshell. Nobody there cares about the more rural parts of the state, its as if it doesnt exist, just like how people judge/sum up the entire state just from the drive up or down 95...

I would suggest giving Mr. Franchot a shot to convince you he is worth a vote. He has worked hard in the rural parts of the states, and is taking a pretty big risk by aligning himself with pro-business positions at the risk of alienating the suburban voters (coal out our way.) I can't vote for him in the primary, but if he makes the general, I will give him a very serious look.

I feel very sorry that Ehrlich met a solid Dem roadblock during his first term. It made governing nearly impossible. I will let history determine who is to blame for that.......but it did show that a GOP governor is likely to run into so much opposition as to make any meaningful change impossible. Maybe a moderate Democrat can still work with his follow party mates and reverse some of the tax and spend problems the state is facing.

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

I would suggest giving Mr. Franchot a shot to convince you he is worth a vote. He has worked hard in the rural parts of the states, and is taking a pretty big risk by aligning himself with pro-business positions at the risk of alienating the suburban voters (coal out our way.) I can't vote for him in the primary, but if he makes the general, I will give him a very serious look.

I feel very sorry that Ehrlich met a solid Dem roadblock during his first term. It made governing nearly impossible. I will let history determine who is to blame for that.......but it did show that a GOP governor is likely to run into so much opposition as to make any meaningful change impossible. Maybe a moderate Democrat can still work with his follow party mates and reverse some of the tax and spend problems the state is facing.

Yeah I voted Ehrlich and so did my democratic wife and her democratic parents. What frustrated me to no end is the combination of he wanted slots to help fund education and the democrats blocked it until they got into office and then passed it along as if it were their own idea AND the fact that we were pretty fiscally sound during Ehrlich and now we have higher taxes and are far from fiscally sound. Do people not see that despite taxes being raised we are in more debt then before they were raised???

As for the person you mentioned Ill take a gander at him to see where he stands on certain issues. I may be a conservative/semi republican, but Im not a huge fan of for business in spite of the people types which has me staying in the independent camp mostly.

[InvaderBryce]

Conservative Democrats don't exist in Maryland; most of the Dems here are Progressives or Liberal Democrats. You try explaining to some people that you are a Conservative Democrat and you get weird looks (personal experience) in certain areas. In my opinion, there is no way in hell Franchot will win the nomination, granted he's the one who should win.

I expect the nominee to be either Doug Gansler, Anthony Brown or some other dark horse candidate (SRB, Donna Edwards, Van Hollen).

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

Conservative Democrats don't exist in Maryland...

BS. FINANCIALLY Conservative Democrat's abound.

Social conservatives are the issue and the reason why you don't see more/better
candidate choices from either party. btw Most Social Conservatives are R's.

You try explaining to some people that you are a Conservative Democrat ...

That's about definitions being used poorly; and deliberately so.
Definitions that have a middle of the road MODERATE like Obama being called a socialist.

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by MrRational

BS. FINANCIALLY Conservative Democrat's abound.

Social conservatives are the issue and the reason why you don't see more/better
candidate choices from either party. btw Most Social Conservatives are R's.

That's about definitions being used poorly; and deliberately so.
Definitions that have a middle of the road MODERATE like Obama being called a socialist.

That's what I meant. I've yet to see a Conservative Democrat actually win any statewide office. To me, its like they're pretty much non-existent in this state.

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

That's what I meant.

Too many don't appreciate the distinction.

I've yet to see a Conservative Democrat actually win any statewide office.
To me, its like they're pretty much non-existent in this state.

You don't see them running for the same reason you don't see socially liberal R's running.
The endzone populace that each has to satisfy in order to win a nomination.

And (as much as the R's don't want to admit to it) the republican base represent the biggest
hindrance to the rest of the R's being able to field a candidate that the D's might vote for.

[North Beach Person]

Would either of you name a Republican office holder at the state level (don't say Don Dwyer) who is a hard right winger. Yeah, Republicans generally are against the MD Dream Act (correct position, along with a lot of Democrats) and the Marriage Equality Act (again, as are an awful lot of Democrats) but you can't really name any.

I will keep in mind that people who call President Obama Center-Right have a skewed view.

I'll go first with a Conservative Democrat: John Bohanon (D-Charles, St. Mary's).

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Would either of you name a Republican office holder...

If you're referring to my post... this isn't about office holders.
It's about all the people who won't go anywhere near running for office.

I'm certain there are R's who are pro-choice and pro-civil marriage...
and pro-fixing the medical care payment system too. Why aren't they running?

eta:
I'm talking about people analagous to John Delaney running against Bartlett now.
Out of the woodwork (or at lest the back room) and onto the campaign trail.
Are there any that might appeal to a broader audience? Any?

And to address your red herring: I've made no claim to know the R pols in that way.
I've never needed to.

[North Beach Person]

So you really can't name any.

[andrew_s]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

Conservative Democrats don't exist in Maryland; most of the Dems here are Progressives or Liberal Democrats. You try explaining to some people that you are a Conservative Democrat and you get weird looks (personal experience) in certain areas. In my opinion, there is no way in hell Franchot will win the nomination, granted he's the one who should win.

I expect the nominee to be either Doug Gansler, Anthony Brown or some other dark horse candidate (SRB, Donna Edwards, Van Hollen).

I disagree. My wife is a conservative democrat and so is her dad.