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Old 04-23-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Bodymore, Murderland
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There is simply no need to own something like an AR-15 for protection unless what you are really protecting yourself from is an advancing army...which is why I suspect "enthusiast" really want this type of weapon. "Attack" your home? Such ridiculous language, unless of course you mean an actual attack. Chances are if someone were to break into your home it would be between one and perhaps three people tops depending on what they had in mind to steal. Same with rape....generally one person. Everyone I know who owns guns for protection practice with handguns against multiple targets. Most of those who are "anti-gun" are not actually against guns, just certain types of guns and/or making it harder for "bad guys" to get guns.



There's no need for you to have that fancy sports car capable of lethal speeds unless you are a race car driver. How about we limit you to cars that only have a gas tank capacity of ten gallons?

There is no logical reason to be against "certain types" of guns whose only features that distinguish them from other legal guns are purely cosmetic.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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There's no need for you to have that fancy sports car capable of lethal speeds unless you are a race car driver. How about we limit you to cars that only have a gas tank capacity of ten gallons?

There is no logical reason to be against "certain types" of guns whose only features that distinguish them from other legal guns are purely cosmetic.
Pretty much this.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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That's the biggest problem I have with gun control legislation. It's just feel-good legislation. Most gun crimes don't involve AR-15s owned by people who got them through legal means. They're mostly gangbangers using pistols, maybe shotguns.

These laws make it harder for gun enthusiasts to own guns but don't seem to make it much harder for gangbangers to get their hands on guns. And for all the fervor surrounding the gun control debate, it'd be nice to see that same enthusiasm for legislation that would create jobs in poor areas so that people wouldn't become gangsters.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: among the clustered spires
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I'm more worried about why we seem to have more crazies than other countries.

While we do have the highest gun-ownership rate in the world (*), countries like Switzerland, Canada, and the Nordic countries have gun ownership rates in the same ballpark as us. Yet, I don't hear about Sven going into an Ikea and shooting up the place, or Norbert shooting up the Tim Hortons.

(*) The most violent countries are usually too poor to have ginormous gun-ownership rates. If we're not the highest, we're pretty close.

It's like we've got 70-80% of Americans that are prosperous, honest, hard-working, etc., and 20-30% of Americans that are just screwed up way worse than anything we see in Europe. This goes across racial, economic, etc., lines. There's more gun crime in Old Dixie than the rest of the country, IIRC.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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There's no need for you to have that fancy sports car capable of lethal speeds unless you are a race car driver. How about we limit you to cars that only have a gas tank capacity of ten gallons?

There is no logical reason to be against "certain types" of guns whose only features that distinguish them from other legal guns are purely cosmetic.
Pretty much this is why its hard to listen to Pro-Gun arguments. This doesn't make any sense. If you want to refute an argument, refute the argument, don't make some nonsensical sports car analogy.

Personally, I could care less about AR-15's being banned. semi-automatic is semi-automatic so banning AR-15's achieves nothing.

However i've yet to hear a good argument for why background checks or limiting high-capacity magazines is a bad idea.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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While we do have the highest gun-ownership rate in the world (*), countries like Switzerland, Canada, and the Nordic countries have gun ownership rates in the same ballpark as us. Yet, I don't hear about Sven going into an Ikea and shooting up the place, or Norbert shooting up the Tim Hortons.
Two things.

One:

Jokela school shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2011 Norway attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two:

Why are you comparing countries that are far more ethnically and economically homogenous to the US? If you want to compare apples to apples, then you need to look at a country like Brazil, which has a multi-ethnic population as well as a pretty large income gap between the richest and the poorest. They have incredibly strict gun control laws and a higher murder rate than the US.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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- Legalizing same-sex marriage

- Legalizing medical marijuana

- Repealing the death penalty

- Strict gun control laws

- Instate tuition and drivers licenses for illegal immigrants

What do you think is next? Are we going to become the most liberal state in the nation?
I sure hope so.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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That's the biggest problem I have with gun control legislation. It's just feel-good legislation. Most gun crimes don't involve AR-15s owned by people who got them through legal means. They're mostly gangbangers using pistols, maybe shotguns.

These laws make it harder for gun enthusiasts to own guns but don't seem to make it much harder for gangbangers to get their hands on guns. And for all the fervor surrounding the gun control debate, it'd be nice to see that same enthusiasm for legislation that would create jobs in poor areas so that people wouldn't become gangsters.

Shotguns are next up for the banning effort.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Shotguns are next up for the banning effort.
says who
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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This guy:

C. T. Wilson for Delegate - Vote C. T. Wilson Home Page

Down about 12 or so paragraphs:

SoMdNews.com: Is gun control battle looming in Annapolis?
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