PG County used to be Ranked 49th Wealthiest County in America (low income, foreclosure)

[kjg1963]

Originally Posted by lscalder

I live in Pg county, their are people on this forum who make comments aboutthe county or start a new thread who knows nothing about the county or is not a resident of the county. Why waste my time commenting or posting about a county I do not live in or have no personal experience in the county. The person who started the thread no longer live in Pg county why not post a thread about your new county so you can get more insight about where you now live instead of posting about a county you do no reside in.

The poster didn't say anything negative. It was a simple question. Besides, they have a history with PG County. They have ties to it. I don't live in Howard but I live 2 blocks away from it. Am I not allowed to comment on Howard because I don't technically live in it? I know the area, I know the people, I have knowledge. Beside, I seem to remember you commenting on Montgomery numerous times. You even butted into a discussion on Cumberland with a derogatory comment because you happened to drive past there on your way to Ohio. Wow, that made you an instant expert on that area. You need to check yourself before you try to criticize others.

[Triniman]

Just ignore her. She doesn`t know any better.

[laurelengineer]

Maybe I'm missing something. I saw in the link where PGC used to be 49th of 3071 counties in 2003, but i don't see where you get your new 2007 number from, the 250/3071 number. There is no 2007 data possible yet, b/c that data is estimated from IRS tax forms after we pay taxes next spring. I've seen non-census estimates of the current median income being about $70,000. That would be a 13% gain in 4 years. Not too shabby. Further, i doubt that would bring us down to 250th place. Do you? Given that large increase, it's extremely unlike that "DC poor and immigrant population is taking over." Furthermore, the county has led the state in new residential building so far this decade, 99% of which has been single-family housing (the state of MD keeps track of these things). I'm certain that the people that bought these brand new single family homes did not bring down the county's median income.
-LE

[lscalder]

LE: I agree with you.

[truthhurts]

Um, where are all the normal PGC bashing hate mongers, that are on the far side of truth about the county? That is funny i post PGC is the 49th wealthiest county in the country and they disappear? Where are they to debate with us on this topic? Its funny when people throw actual fact at lies others usually run and hide, because what they were previously saying about the county is clearly not remotely true for the whole county. The hate mongers like to exclusively focus on the "ghettos" of PGC and totally discredit the more "affluent" areas when discussing the county. This is the reason i posted the facts. This is coming from a guy that would never live in the county, because of a number of issues, but i would never use non factual information to support my reasons for not wanting to reside in PGC. (For me 1. Bad Public Schools 2. Lack of Amenities 3. Poorly Managed Government 4. Attitude of Residents 5. Just do not like the entire state of MD lol). To each is their own, but lets' just be factual with the debates.

Oh LE,

To answer your question PGC saw a substantial rise in median income the blacker the county became. However, this rise in incomes has reversed direction over the last 3 or 4 years. The county which had a median income of 59k in 2002 and 62k in 2003 now has a median income in the range of 55k for 2006. That is a huge drop in income and would lead me to believe the county is not retaining "affluent" residents but losing them to less "affluent" residents. I'm sure this has a lot to do with the crime concentrated inside the inner beltway and the lack of good schooling throughout the county at the middle school and high school levels. I'm not sure where you saw the counties median income had risen to 70k, but from everything i have read it is failing not rising. Here are two interesting links for you to reveiw.

http://www.mdp.state.md.us/msdc/proj...apInc_2007.pdf
http://www.mc-mncppc.org/research/da...ome/ipc01.shtm
http://www.mc-mncppc.org/research/da...me/ipc02a.shtm

PGC missed out on so much growth during the 1990's when most of the residents were fawning over their love of President Clinton and forgetting the most obvious fact they were the one's serverly missing out on the local Technology Boom, that significantly raised incomes in Montgomery County and FairFax County. While a rising economy lifts all ships PGC residents should have been demanding more business friendly tax laws to induce more capital spending by tech companies in their county during the 1990's. This would have helped induce a boom in hiriing in PGC etc or would have been a huge boom to the real-estate market as high tech jobs bring high tech workers who bring high powerd children into the public schools. Poor management by County Officials and they keep getting re-elected.

[lscalder]

Truthhurts: We all knew the truth all along except for those who think they know the truth. The Pg couunty monger hate to talk about the positive aspects of the county.
We know the positive aspects of the county and its the reason why all these investors are investing in the county because they know the real truth about the county.

[1973 Forced Busing]

I wish PG County would invest in bringing more WHITE women into the county. I loves me some White women!

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by 1973 Forced Busing

I wish PG County would invest in bringing more WHITE women into the county. I loves me some White women!

Actually Forced Busing what you're saying couldn't be more true, because where there are "affluent white women" there are sure to be "affluent white men." In fact that would be a brilliant idea by the county to undertake

Bringing in more affluent whites would not be a bad idea.
Depending again on the quality of whites they are bringing in. Clearly i am not referring to blue collar, or uneducated poor whites, but more "affluent" whites would be great for this county.

Why?

Well, from a shopping amenties stand point that would bring in the upscale stores. From a public school standpoint assuming they sent their kids to PGC public schools that would raise the test scores (actually brining in more "affluent" asians would do a better job of raising overall county test scores, but i digress)

From an economic stand point that would rise the median income, because white "affluent" families make more than black "affluent" families etc.

Now is any of what i said racist? NO, but somehow i see Iscalder responding to this post, so i'll quickly explain my reasoning.

Fact

Affluent White neighborhoods have higher property values
Affluent White neighborhoods have higher median incomes
Affluent White neighborhoods have higher performing schools
Affluent White neighborhoods have high college grad levels

Now, i'm not saying "Black and Affluent" is bad i'm just pointing out the facts and how this influx of "affluent whites citizens" could have a positive effect on PGC.

This would be no different than saying "Affluent Blacks" could add value to predominotely "Affluent White" areas. Although "affluent whites" would have a bigger impact on the PGC economy than "affluent blacks" would have on the moco and or fairfax economy. Why? Well, there are more "affluent whties" in total number than there are afffluent blacks.

Anyway notice i didn't say "whites" moving to PGC would improve quality i specifically named a economic class of whites, that could improve the living standards of all residents in PGC if they moved. Clearly blue collar whites would only lower the standards etc.

Like wise if Moco had a choose of "affluent blacks" vs "poor blacks" they'd likely welcome the "affluent blacks" because that makes them better off as a county.

In general "affluent people" moving to PGC would be a boon to all county residents. I was just saying if I had my choice based on facts i'd prefer "affluent whites."

1. Larger group
2. Can have a more significant impact on (higher housing prices (increases in wealth accumulation) more job creation etc
3. Services go up, because "affluent whties" typically demand more and better services than do thier "affluent black counterparts" etc.
4. Amenities would go up, because i can bet there would be tons of white "soccer mom's" demanding a Macy's so they can shop during the day while the husbands out etc. Restuarnt quality would go up and more upscale dining would be available in PGC.

Again nothing racist about this post (Iscalder). Simply pointing it out based on statistical facts.

Ie common sense would dictate that if you had both "affluent blacks" and "affluent whites" living in the county

1. Public Education would improve
2. More amenities
3. Higher Median incomes
4. Less crime (due to the elimination of poor people who have a tendancy to commit a disproportionate share of crime especially violent crime)

etc just goes without saying. I just also named some intangibles associated with "affluent whties." Ie they tend to want and demand the best and make a lot of noise until those demands are met. This does not mean that "affluent blacks" don't, but as PGC proves they clearly have a harder time getting desired results.

[laurelengineer]

This link seems to contradict everything that you are saying:
http://www.mncppc.org/html/September..._Bulletin1.pdf

I agree, the county could stand to be a lot less liberal, but it is making enormous economic gains. And yes, the median income is now over $70k, and the average is over $90k. The trend is crystal clear.

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by laurelengineer

This link seems to contradict everything that you are saying:
http://www.mncppc.org/html/September..._Bulletin1.pdf

I agree, the county could stand to be a lot less liberal, but it is making enormous economic gains. And yes, the median income is now over $70k, and the average is over $90k. The trend is crystal clear.

LE, great find. This would lead me to believe, that a lot of the county information is purposely falsified when given out to the public in large amounts. Wonder why this is the case?