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Old 01-04-2008, 12:19 PM
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Turbo bro, i attacked your argument in the Howard section, but i'll do it here again. I'll make it simple. You are being accurate but very misleading.

However, i'll sum this up very quickly.

Per Capita is a lot different than Median

Per Capita measure the income of ALL working age individuals (so if you have a county that has a high poverty rate you're going to have a lower per capita income)

Median Income is for this measure a lot more fair, because it measure all working adults in each othe counties and discredits the poor people and working teen-agers and just gives you the exact median income

Why is this more relevent, because compare the poverty rates for each of the counties PGC is consistently higher or in the top

1. This brings down the per capita income
2. PGC also without looking i bet has a higher number of people between the ages of 16-25 (low income earners) Teens that either work at Subway or College students that do not work at all??


Okay now to tackle you argument for lack of fact or anything.

There are more than 3100 counties in this country

Basic Math dude

100/3100 = Top 3%

The article highlighted the top 3% of all counties in this country
Counties that are 97% wealthier than all other counties


PGC rank in Median Income places it in the top 5%

PG rank in per capita income places it in the top 8%

Rank Median Income 49th
Rank in Per Capita 252

Out of 3100 counties

Let me ask you what i asked you in the other forum

Example of why your argument sucks.

Let's take a group of Kids all testing to get into Harvard out of 3100 test takers. Here are the scores of the top 10%

99%
99%
98%
98%
97%
95%
94%
92%
91%
90%

More than 300 children score in the 90% percentile (meaning they scored better than 90% of all other students). Would you consider the kid that scored 92% to be considerably less stupid then the kid that scored 99% or 97%?

Harvard i'd bet would consider all of the 300 students that scored in the top 10% in the same intelligence class? Wouldn't it be redicioulous to attempt to say something otherwise?

Another example in the DC-Metro which has the "Dream Team" of wealthy counties in this country.

If Larry Bird was the 8th best player on the 1992 Dream Team does that means he's a lot worse than the other players on the Dream Team? Or does it simply mean he's not the best out of a group of the best, but he's definitely a lot better than the majority of basketball players??? Answer those questions for me and stop the foolish misleading arguments.....
Ugh- all these percentages and statistics make me feel like I'm in math class!
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Ugh- all these percentages and statistics make me feel like I'm in math class!
I don't disagree with what you say however don't expect the approx 15 counties in the top 3% in the area to be impressed by a top 5 % performance. Hey if I hit 12% portfolio performance last year I did better then the major indexes yet should I expect someone who did 20% to be impressed? No. I am saying stop trying to impress citizens from counties who are doing better. PG has areas of high affluence and areas of poverty. Safe areas and not so safe areas. However the overall crime rate is higher then most counties in the area. Don't expect those citizens to consider the county safe. It is all relevant to self and how we see others through our eyes. Housing in suburban Maryland is very expensive. Should someone from Indiannapolis be impressed that a Marylander paid 650 K for a house similar to one they paid 175K for?
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People on this forum say Howard is now the top county but Howard have the highest poverty level. Howard have the highest level of people living under the poverty level. While in Pg county the number decline each year. Why is one of the wealthiest county in Maryland have the highest level of poverty in Maryland. People tend to look at one issue when we deal with wealth and money but it seems Howard can care less about the poor.
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The latest numbers do show poverty declining in Prince Georges County and increasing in Howard:

Rich Md. Counties See Poverty Levels Grow

I don't know what the numbers look like to date.

The poverty however is not as visible in Howard as it is in Prince Georges as the poverty is dispersed throughout Howard county as opposed to being concentrated in certain localities in Prince Georges County. I believe this also has a direct correlation with crime.

This was poor planning in this county as well as many other jurisdictions in the country where subsidized housing is concentrated. however the county is taking steps to reverse this
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The latest numbers do show poverty declining in Prince Georges County and increasing in Howard:

Rich Md. Counties See Poverty Levels Grow

I don't know what the numbers look like to date.

The poverty however is not as visible in Howard as it is in Prince Georges as the poverty is dispersed throughout Howard county as opposed to being concentrated in certain localities in Prince Georges County. I believe this also has a direct correlation with crime.

This was poor planning in this county as well as many other jurisdictions in the country where subsidized housing is concentrated. however the county is taking steps to reverse this
The increase in poor families is well known to Howard Countians especially in Columbia.
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How did you figure that Howard County has the highest poverty level? Is that the highest poverty level in the state? In the country? I'd be shocked to hear how Howard County's poverty rate could be higher than PG counties. Or rural Maryland for that matter. Please, as stated before, post some proof.

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People on this forum say Howard is now the top county but Howard have the highest poverty level. Howard have the highest level of people living under the poverty level. While in Pg county the number decline each year. Why is one of the wealthiest county in Maryland have the highest level of poverty in Maryland. People tend to look at one issue when we deal with wealth and money but it seems Howard can care less about the poor.
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Default Statistics

Ok, there's a lot of talk about statistics in these forums. Means will skew income to the right as they are pulled by outliers. Medians tend to skew income to the left as they are pulled by the dis-symmetry of incomes (a small percentage of people make over 100K while a much larger percentage of people make under 40k, etc). I would use both measures applied to household income, then look at the spread between. This will tell you a good deal about the population. Plus, if you track these figures over time, they can tell you how the population is changing. Is the spread growing? This means income parity is decreasing.

The point is... Neither measure is really accurate. Use both and know that the true value lies between the two measures.
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I don't disagree with what you say however don't expect the approx 15 counties in the top 3% in the area to be impressed by a top 5 % performance. Hey if I hit 12% portfolio performance last year I did better then the major indexes yet should I expect someone who did 20% to be impressed? No. I am saying stop trying to impress citizens from counties who are doing better. PG has areas of high affluence and areas of poverty. Safe areas and not so safe areas. However the overall crime rate is higher then most counties in the area. Don't expect those citizens to consider the county safe. It is all relevant to self and how we see others through our eyes. Housing in suburban Maryland is very expensive. Should someone from Indiannapolis be impressed that a Marylander paid 650 K for a house similar to one they paid 175K for?
I just copied and pasted what i wrote in response to this nonsense in the Howard County forum. Turbo i'd also prefer you read the list of "wealthiest towns," i posted a forum for Maryland. Look i'm in no way a detractor or supporter of PGC, but i'm for fair play and honest discussions and these boards consistently run rampant with dishonesty, racism, stereotyping and a host of other issues that are not conducive to people seeking serious and truthful information on areas and locations in most places not just PGC. People who have their own bias and agenda tend to ignore fact even when they have no way of disproving it. Its hard to accept the truth and the fact is PGC with all of its problems is still a wealthy county. Now, i would wholeheartdly agree with anyone that says they need to clean up the inner beltway, PG has a disproportionate lower middle class population when compared to other counties, it has a higher crime right in the inner city areas etc, but the problem is people are not fair with how they generalize this county. This county has some of the poorest places to live in the state along with some of the wealthiest places why? Well, next to Moco it's the second largest county and to the dismay of the affluent blacks the poor one's followed them out to the burbs following the gentrification of washington dc and the poor one's and lower middle one's have made parts of this county a hell hole and they greatly outnumber the affluent people.

Turbo, i'm am going to quickly explain why your argument no matter which way you put it is utter and complete bs. Look i've proved through fact whether i like either of the counties, they are "wealthy" conties in this country whether one is ranked #1 or whether one is ranked #49. My reasons are comparison of 3100 other counties, difference between the 300 wealthiest counties in this country and the other 2900 odd counties, and the facts are the facts and you added something to the conversation i didn't even say nor ask. (Your original argument was that PGC was only consider wealthy because of its black majority i since proved you wrong did i not?)

Turbo there are more than 3100 counties in this country. If there were only 1000 you would have a valid point in labeling PGC as a not rich or wealthy county, but the fact are the facts whether you or I like it, and that is even with all of the crime in the inner beltway, all the black people, and the regionally poor performing school system, this county is still one of the wealthiest counties by far and large in this country. Anyone who argues anything different is a fool and attempting to perpetuate a self serving perhaps (racist) stereotypical agenda.

You claim that the ohter counties would not be impressed. Again you do not attack my argument on its merits, but bring into question something i never mentioned, but i'll respond to it with fact.

Highest-income counties in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please read the difference between the top 100 counties in terms of median income i'll give you the first stats

The number #1 county has a median income of $82,000
The number #100 county has a median income of $57,000

PGC $56,000

The average income of the top #100 is $64,000
The median income of the top #100 is $61,000

Your point is moot and silly and beyond self serving. The difference in wealth between the top 300 counties is so small once you compare it to the rest of the country and the Top #100 poorest places to live. Here's the comparison

Lowest-income counties in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The number #1 poor county has a median income of $9,200
The number #100 poor county has a median income of $22,632

In closing i do not disagree on a hand to hand comparison of any of the top wealthy counties in this country you're going to find certain disparities. Clearly Montgomery County has a far larger base of upper class families than Prince Georges, but when compared to the entire list of 3100 counties PGC is not much different than Montgomery, Howard, or Fairfax county. The top 10% wealthiest counties are so much wealthier than 90% of the rest of the counties in this country it is not even funny.

I'll again implore my Larry Bird exmaple. Larry Bird, was the 8th best basketball player on greatest basketball team ever assembled, while clearly Michael Jordan was the best player the other players were not at a disproportionate advantage in overall skills compared to him. However, when put on the same team the difference in skill between Larry Bird and Michael Jordan is hardly notice when competing against the rest of the world. If you were to have Larry Bird compete head to head with Michael Jordan clearly Michael Jordan would dominate and the skill level between two of the best players would favor the overwhelmingly better player (Jordan). However, if you place Larry Bird against the Top 90% of all basketball players in the world he would clearly be superior and would dominate. This is my point about PGC being wealthy FACT are FACTS! You can dice them up any way you like them, but as i have said earlier with all of the counties problems its still one of the wealthiest counties in the country regardless if its black or white majority. Response?
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I am not going to continue the debate because the difference in our opinions to me is not that great. Again as others have said how do you measure wealth and how much wealth does it take to live at a certain standard of living? If we agree on the operational definition of wealth then we agree on the big picture. I think what is/happened is that folks have a different perspective on what constitutes wealth. For me it is the number at the bottom of your balance sheet. I don't care how much you make if your debt exceeds your assets you are poor. There are areas of the country where people are not house poor but are ledger rich. There income is no where as high as Maryland and they leave their cars on the street unlocked at night.
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