100 Wealthiest Towns and Cities in Maryland (Baltimore, Dundalk: new house, buying, school district)

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Tuborg, I took you up on the challenge to find data from the 1960's until today. Luckly Montgomery County Parks and Planning has the income data for 1969, 1979, and 1989. I'll transfer the Median Family Income in to today's dollars to show how much money people made then compared to today in each of the counties.

Here's the foromula I used Salary in constant Dollars (Recent Year) = Salary in Current Dollars (Old Year)*(CPI in Recent Year/CPI in Old Year)

1969 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars) 5.493
Montgomery County, MD $90,234
Prince George's County, MD $67,230
Ann Arundel County, MD $61,981

1979 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars) 2.776
Montgomery County, MD $91,807
Prince George's County, MD $70,857
Ann Arundel County, MD $68,764

1989 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars)1.625
Montgomery County, MD $100,730
Prince George's County, MD $78,765
Ann Arundel County, MD $80,772

1999 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars) 1.21
Montgomery County, MD $101,682
Prince George's County, MD $75,585
Ann Arundel County, MD $83,512

M-NCPPC: Median Household, Family, and per capita income, Montgomery County Region

Clearly you were right Turborg while Prince George's has clearly never been as wealthy as Montgomery it was certainly in the Top 4 Counties in the DC/Metro Area in 1969. However, the corruption and mismanagement and poor urban planning of the 1960's clearly had a drastic effect on the outcomes over the last 30 years. Notice poverty rates rose sharply during the 1990's in the county as there were more poor families, which brought down the median income from a decade earlier. I guess the combination of white flight housing price drops made it very affordable for poorer black families to move into the inner beltway, which lead to poorer schools, cheap rents, and an overall decline in value for the county. The only way to reverse the mismangement of the 1960's and large influx of poor families during hte 1990's is to start destroying the unplanned urban sprawl, that happend. I feel sorry for all the affluent blacks that moved there in the 1980's just to be followed out there by their poor. This is the real problem. I think this is even more of a reason you cannot have a majority black county and expect it to compete with wealthy majority white counties. The affluent blacks always have to pay the highest burden for the poor, crime causing, illiterate poor blacks. It's a no win situation they'll constantly follow the hard working affluent blacks out and ruin their neighborhoods and communities. As i've often hard "Black people cannot have anything without the poor one's ruining it for the bunch"

1. The inner beltway needs to be revitalized
2. Let market forces push the poorer residents to find houses else where
3. Lower taxes on high tech companies and more affluent residents (middle and upper middle classes)

Just a few thoughts. I think a tech corridor along route 50 between Prince George's and Ann Arundel would be great for the state of Maryland. It could help solidify the area's between 270 and 50 and create highly skilled jobs, which the county needs. Overall it would be great for the state.

Hmmmm me thinks the Truth been told.

[fishfister]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Hmmmm me thinks the Truth been told.

I think he needs a serious reality check.

This whole PG county debate that rages on from thread to thread centers around PGC being the wealthiest African American county in the USA if we let Iscalder to continually control the thermostat - in effect, running out the impoverished for the greater good. Somehow whites are responsible for the problem.

Can Truth break down his endless barrage of facts and figures and show us who was living in PGC during the 40-60 years he implies in his wealth by the decades listings?
Who lived in those garden apartments when they were first built? Who built and lived in all of the little burbs that hug the district where he aims his hatred the most - "inside the beltway" in MOCO, PGC or NOVA?

This may sound racist but, I remember when Eastover was safe. I remember when Oxon Hill was safe and I remember when Iverson Mall was more than it is presently. Marlow Heights shopping center had a a Hot Shoppes cafeteria as well as other businesses. Hillcrest Heights, Forestville and Morningside were far different than they are today. Some of the finest architecture in home design, outside of downtown, can be found in SE DC along Branch ave. between Suitland parkway and Pennsylvania ave.
I haven't touched on Riverdale, Bladensburg, Hyattsville or that northern part of "inside the beltway".

Looking back on this it's not racist. Something happened in the mindset of those that moved in when the "white flight" took place. Iscalder realizes the problem and it's not financial in nature as all of the people that live in these areas are not destitute nor clinging to welfare and section 8 housing.

Statistics won't explain it now will paving over the entire area.

[lscalder]

Originally Posted by fishfister

I think he needs a serious reality check.

This whole PG county debate that rages on from thread to thread centers around PGC being the wealthiest African American county in the USA if we let Iscalder to continually control the thermostat - in effect, running out the impoverished for the greater good. Somehow whites are responsible for the problem.

Can Truth break down his endless barrage of facts and figures and show us who was living in PGC during the 40-60 years he implies in his wealth by the decades listings?
Who lived in those garden apartments when they were first built? Who built and lived in all of the little burbs that hug the district where he aims his hatred the most - "inside the beltway" in MOCO, PGC or NOVA?

This may sound racist but, I remember when Eastover was safe. I remember when Oxon Hill was safe and I remember when Iverson Mall was more than it is presently. Marlow Heights shopping center had a a Hot Shoppes cafeteria as well as other businesses. Hillcrest Heights, Forestville and Morningside were far different than they are today. Some of the finest architecture in home design, outside of downtown, can be found in SE DC along Branch ave. between Suitland parkway and Pennsylvania ave.
I haven't touched on Riverdale, Bladensburg, Hyattsville or that northern part of "inside the beltway".

Looking back on this it's not racist. Something happened in the mindset of those that moved in when the "white flight" took place. Iscalder realizes the problem and it's not financial in nature as all of the people that live in these areas are not destitute nor clinging to welfare and section 8 housing.

Statistics won't explain it now will paving over the entire area.

Did you see where Turborg went back 39 yrs on his data. Now you want to see 40-60yrs of data, How will that help the county today. I do not think you understand no matter how far back you Pg county base upon data will still be the 2nd wealthiest county in Maryland. I think you do not like the fact that Blacks have wealth. You see the facts and still do not agree with the facts. If you know what you posted is racist then why post it. If you had to question yourself if something is racist or not then you have any issue with yourself. Yes what you post is racist since you knew it was racist before posting your statement.

[fishfister]

Originally Posted by lscalder

Did you see where Turborg went back 39 yrs on his data. Now you want to see 40-60yrs of data, How will that help the county today. I do not think you understand no matter how far back you Pg county base upon data will still be the 2nd wealthiest county in Maryland. I think you do not like the fact that Blacks have wealth. You see the facts and still do not agree with the facts. If you know what you posted is racist then why post it. If you had to question yourself if something is racist or not then you have any issue with yourself. Yes what you post is racist since you knew it was racist before posting your statement.

The correct time to go back is to the end of WWII. This will give us the data that shows when the outlying country of Maryland, in both MOCO and PGC started to become home to those that were just outside of the district. The beltway didn't exist until the very early 60s so the beltway frame of mind is relatively new in this regard.
Obtuse to your belief, whites built and lived in the majority of areas in question. When a few blacks moved into the established neighborhoods the fearful whites of that era fled those areas en masse opening up whole neighborhoods for blacks. You can believe that or not - its your education.
I remember when my neighborhood was racially balanced - now it leans to majority black. I have no fear and no reason to flee. What makes me different than those that do? I, like yourself, would like to see real change in the economy of the county. Maybe that will spark something.
This was once THE county to live in as it was wide open and the opportunities were endless. Think of millions of Hispanics wanting to come to America for a chance. The analogies are similar.

Please accept this fact - It doesn't matter who has the wealth - does that make sense to you? Wealth and salary are different matters.
If there is money in the county something will happen just as it does anywhere else in the world. Money is freaking money and money is but a tool. I am rather tired of hearing what race has it as we still sit stagnant. Whoever has the money is not spending it in this county. Currently, it happens to be blacks with the money but it is doing nothing more than it was 20 years ago.
Something else you must wrap your mind around is most of PGC is just crawling out of being a farming community. That means life is slower paced than it will be in Rockville or Bethesda. The majority of people that are longtime residents - black or white - like the slower pace and don't want Rockville and Bethesda here. I am nearer to the beltway and can enjoy both. Your town of Upper Marlboro is in the midst of a sleeping countryside full of those that like it so. The courthouse and the equestrian center are the two big draws. Have you noticed that yet? HOCO is worse yet and MOCO is not a full teeming metropolis either.

You and I see glimpses of the same but from different ends of a hallway. You are young, enthusiastic and full of ideas for changing for the better. You may want to blame me for being white.
I have lived here for 20 years and watched whatever was or can be decay into what we both don't like. I cannot blame blacks for the entire collapse of the county. I am a minority and my opinion doesn't matter any longer so I will live in my house until I move. You may have the answer to it all. If so I hope you know how to wield it. Many have tried before and they are always trampled on before they get a chance to implement their ideas.

I don't see your method of success as you view it as you alienate far too many in that process. PGC is a large county and as I mentioned not every part of it is a teeming metropolis. Raising property taxes on lands far removed from your interests to the point of forcing residents out of their houses is not realistic. What if the county forced 3 section 8 houses on your street? Not so pleasant, right?

Before I am labeled as liberal again, PGC has long been a home of people that bought up large properties and built on them to get away. Why tax them outrageously? Those folks had to be very much conservative to be able to do such.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by lscalder

Did you see where Turborg went back 39 yrs on his data. Now you want to see 40-60yrs of data, How will that help the county today. I do not think you understand no matter how far back you Pg county base upon data will still be the 2nd wealthiest county in Maryland. I think you do not like the fact that Blacks have wealth. You see the facts and still do not agree with the facts. If you know what you posted is racist then why post it. If you had to question yourself if something is racist or not then you have any issue with yourself. Yes what you post is racist since you knew it was racist before posting your statement.

Did anyone see where Tuborg went back 39 years on his data? I am Tuborg and I didn't see it. Please correct your post with the accuracy of what was posted and who it was posted by. Perhaps you meant what Truth posted . I am sure this is just a typo and you meant something other then what you posted. Most folks including me agree with much of what you write. No one begrudges PG having the wealth that it does. My observation is that some folk(including you) are talking wealth and others (including you) are talking quality of life. This thread has become what it is because folks are talking about different things at the same time in the same thread. Most people are in agreement that by all comparisons PG is a wealthy (as measured by income) county. By all comparisons PG has a number of issues relating to quality of life in some areas including schools and crime. Now how does society address that issue both collectively (government) and as individual citizens. We should not pigeon hole anyone based on their personal demographics and expect them hold any particular opinion as a result. If one group of people have the right to move then all do. Maybe it wasn't White Flight but some other type of flight not based on race/ethnicity. Perhaps it was a degree of civil behavior flight or bright flight or income flight or want quiet flight. Maybe it was the increasing urbanization in a suburban area and people just wanted a more suburban/rural feel.

[lscalder]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Did anyone see where Tuborg went back 39 years on his data? I am Tuborg and I didn't see it. Please correct your post with the accuracy of what was posted and who it was posted by. Perhaps you meant what Truth posted . I am sure this is just a typo and you meant something other then what you posted. Most folks including me agree with much of what you write. No one begrudges PG having the wealth that it does. My observation is that some folk(including you) are talking wealth and others (including you) are talking quality of life. This thread has become what it is because folks are talking about different things at the same time in the same thread. Most people are in agreement that by all comparisons PG is a wealthy (as measured by income) county. By all comparisons PG has a number of issues relating to quality of life in some areas including schools and crime. Now how does society address that issue both collectively (government) and as individual citizens. We should not pigeon hole anyone based on their personal demographics and expect them hold any particular opinion as a result. If one group of people have the right to move then all do. Maybe it wasn't White Flight but some other type of flight not based on race/ethnicity. Perhaps it was a degree of civil behavior flight or bright flight or income flight or want quiet flight. Maybe it was the increasing urbanization in a suburban area and people just wanted a more suburban/rural feel.

I mean to say Truth. What ever happened 39 yrs ago the county now in 2008 is making positive changes to reverse all the mismanagement of Pg couunty. Why not focus on the positive changes thats happening in the county now. I can careless what happened 40 yrs ago or if the white moved out or stayed all I care about is whats going on today. WHy not talk about the positve changes why must people on this forum keep on dragging these negative forums about the county and just out right ignore the positive changes happening in the county Today. Myself and others are tired of these negative postings as if the county is not changing for the better.

I think this forum need to close down. How can we close this forum down thats what we need to talk about.

[TuborgP]

We need not to close it down but to stay on the topic of the 100 wealthiest cities. This was not meant to be a negative forum but a positive one. As has been asked by you and others why can't we discuss wealth and have it inclusive of all people and not drag the negatives in it. You live in an affluent area and are very happy as are your neighbors. You enjoy many amenities and have a golf course and are leading a successful suburban life. Congrats to you and your neighbors. I am sure there are many people of all inclusiveness living an affluent life style in Maryland and we salute all of them and their successes. Truth has shown us that affluence is throughout the state and we should celebrate that. With regards to areas of poverty and neediness I concur with you that should be discussed in another thread. Truth any additional data about wealth for this thread would be welcomed and help get it focused back to your original intent. Iscalder one of the problems Maryland has is the disparity of wealth. We are truly a state of have communities and have not communities. That can create jealousy and there are those who wear their resentment on their sleeves. Another poster has started a thread about the number of millionaires in Maryland as defined by investable assets. Lets see if he gets jumped on like Truth did for posting and discussing wealth. If he doesn't then I am sure Truth will provide his usual articulate thoughts on why not?
Truth I await your usual effort to keep us intellectually elevated and examining the issues from the world of academia.

In summary keep it real and focused on the realities of life. The pursuit of happiness, education and the American Dream of ownership and wealth accumulation.

[truthhurts]

Thanks Turborg,

I was hoping this would open many's eyes as to why Maryland is

1. The Wealthiest State in the Country

2. The correlation between high incomes and high education attainment (there's no mere coincidence that the wealthiest states have the highest concentration of bachelors, maters, and post graduate degress)

3. The problem when you have massive amounts of highly skilled workers and an equal amount of mid range skilled workers and poorly skilled workers (Lead to huge imbalances of wealth all market driven reasons)

4. By Market Driven forces I simply mean that the more education you have in most cases the more money you'll make. Conversely the least amount of education you have the less you'll make. (which is what you see in Maryland. Montgomery County the most educated County by leaps and bounds in Maryland is the Wealthiest County in Maryland by leaps and bounds coincidence i think not)

5. How highly skilled job creation, leads to influx of highly skilled workers, with high incomes, who also tend to raise prices when they move to areas in mass proportion, which is what happend in NOVA and Montgomery County. The areas that had the fastest growing highly educated job bases are also home to the areas highest income earners

6. This leads to a more competent and educated tax base, which is key to running a county successfully. This also leads to better schools, because highly educated people tend to produce highly educated off spring, so it is all cause and effect.

7. I guess the issues that really started the controversy was the fact that Prince George's County because it is the 2nd largest county in the state houses the second largest total population of Affluent people.(This really should not have come as a shock just simply based on the size of the county). That to me is what really upset people mainly Fish lol and side tracked this forum. Again coming on debating how rich black does not help your county had nothing to do with this forum at all. I am almost certain if Prince George's had been last in total numbers that debate would not have even arose, so to me it is economic jealousy, that is heightend by racial attitudes. I'm in the process of comparing the levels of poverty in the state and i'm sure when Baltimore County and Prince George's and Montgomery County place 1,2, or 3 i doubt i'll be hearing anyone challenging those assertions.

8. I guess how can Maryland lessen the gap betwen the have's and have nots. I've stated that early education needs to be the starting point, but for older adults perhaps more continuing education based state subsidies to companies that employee uneducated works and giving them more incentive to send these folks back to school. Perhaps more subsidies for county run community colleges and articulation argeements with companies that operate businesses within the state. Articulation argreements for Blue Collar worker to go to school for two years work at a company and then have the opportunity to finish the remainding two years at the University of Maryland or other state wide 4 year institute. I'm almost certain some companies that employee large amounts of blue collar workers have these programs in place, but how many of those worker sit around and complain, but do not take advantage of them? Then once they complete those years the company can offer them a more white collar position thus raising thier incomes etc. This would be done in combination with company training and education on how to do company specific jobs as well.

9. I think giving companies that operate in Maryland more incentives to invest in overall educational human capital not just company specific human capital will continue to help the state and perhaps bridge the gap betwen the low middle and the upper middle. Workers are the states most important resource

10. Also side track not having to do with wealthy but controling crime in high crime areas. I think becoming tougher on crime in a lot of the crime ridden areas is key to lowering the overall crime rate. We can go back to basic early adoption of best education practices along with giving incentives for companies to recurite and train disadvantaged youth in high crime areas. Making the alternative to commiting crime less profitable than working a 6 or 8 hour job.

11. Instead of building massive projects filled with tons of poor people perhaps give poorer people the option of choice. Experiment with "Teaching them how to fish, instead of giving them a fish" Maybe Maryland could be the fist state to move away from Transfer payments and start paying these poor people in cash and providing heavily montiored resources to show them how to properly pay rent, balance their check book, create a budget, and other things that will teach them and give them the incentive to be responsible and hardworking. (Note* if they do not manage the cash payments properly they starve as simple as that don't give them a saftey net for stupidity, that does not help anyone). Just a quick story as a child I would hop down stairs with both feet with socks on (wood stairway), so my mom always would say you should not do it. My dad felt it was best to let me find out the hard way (as he did not think i'd break my neck lol), but I hopped down the stairs and flipped on my back. The incentive not to do it after finding out i'd fall on my butt stopped me from ever hoping down the stairs. Now had my mom constantly given me that safty net i would have never known what would have happen and i probably would have continued to do it (because to me there was no consequence), but once I was allowed to fall and i realized the consequence was a painful fall i immediately stopped and walked down the stairs with much more care and caution.) Poor people would be the same way if they were given cash payments and no safty net. Trust me those that want a better life will take advantage of the programs while the majority in those areas sit around doing nothing and complaining. Studies have shown this all the time.

12. Anyway in closing this could have been a topic that discussed how the wealthier Marylanders became wealthy and clearly education attainment was a huge part. If you're a blue collar worker who is seeing deminished returns on their income because of the continued migration of hgihly skilled white collar workers perhaps instead of complaining about wealth inequality (affluent blacks in PG not helping out poor blacks) you should be petitioning your county executives and state officals for more investment in your human capital. More resources to better your continuing education and opportunities. It is not the responsibility of the affluent and wealthy to look after your best needs. Often times they are to busy looking after their own. This comes back to taking responsibility for what is going to serve you best!

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by fishfister

The correct time to go back is to the end of WWII. This will give us the data that shows when the outlying country of Maryland, in both MOCO and PGC started to become home to those that were just outside of the district. The beltway didn't exist until the very early 60s so the beltway frame of mind is relatively new in this regard.
Obtuse to your belief, whites built and lived in the majority of areas in question. When a few blacks moved into the established neighborhoods the fearful whites of that era fled those areas en masse opening up whole neighborhoods for blacks. You can believe that or not - its your education.
I remember when my neighborhood was racially balanced - now it leans to majority black. I have no fear and no reason to flee. What makes me different than those that do? I, like yourself, would like to see real change in the economy of the county. Maybe that will spark something.
This was once THE county to live in as it was wide open and the opportunities were endless. Think of millions of Hispanics wanting to come to America for a chance. The analogies are similar.

Please accept this fact - It doesn't matter who has the wealth - does that make sense to you? Wealth and salary are different matters.
If there is money in the county something will happen just as it does anywhere else in the world. Money is freaking money and money is but a tool. I am rather tired of hearing what race has it as we still sit stagnant. Whoever has the money is not spending it in this county. Currently, it happens to be blacks with the money but it is doing nothing more than it was 20 years ago.
Something else you must wrap your mind around is most of PGC is just crawling out of being a farming community. That means life is slower paced than it will be in Rockville or Bethesda. The majority of people that are longtime residents - black or white - like the slower pace and don't want Rockville and Bethesda here. I am nearer to the beltway and can enjoy both. Your town of Upper Marlboro is in the midst of a sleeping countryside full of those that like it so. The courthouse and the equestrian center are the two big draws. Have you noticed that yet? HOCO is worse yet and MOCO is not a full teeming metropolis either.

You and I see glimpses of the same but from different ends of a hallway. You are young, enthusiastic and full of ideas for changing for the better. You may want to blame me for being white.
I have lived here for 20 years and watched whatever was or can be decay into what we both don't like. I cannot blame blacks for the entire collapse of the county. I am a minority and my opinion doesn't matter any longer so I will live in my house until I move. You may have the answer to it all. If so I hope you know how to wield it. Many have tried before and they are always trampled on before they get a chance to implement their ideas.

I don't see your method of success as you view it as you alienate far too many in that process. PGC is a large county and as I mentioned not every part of it is a teeming metropolis. Raising property taxes on lands far removed from your interests to the point of forcing residents out of their houses is not realistic. What if the county forced 3 section 8 houses on your street? Not so pleasant, right?

Before I am labeled as liberal again, PGC has long been a home of people that bought up large properties and built on them to get away. Why tax them outrageously? Those folks had to be very much conservative to be able to do such.

Okay Fish let me correct you on a few things. It is easier to explain the point mathmatically in relation to Prince George's County and Montgomery County from the 1960's on.

Fact

1. As more blacks moved to the county in the 70's and 80's the county became wealthier
2. The blacks that came in the 70's were not the same one's that came in the 80's. The blacks that came in the 80's were affluent and upper class. The blacks that came in the 70's were lower and middle class
3. The blacks that came in the 80's were much different than the overall blacks that came to the county in the 90's.
4. The blacks that came to the county in the 90's were majority poor, lower middle, and middle class. While there were affluent blacks that moved to the county in the 90's they were not close to being the majority.

Now i'll clearly illustrate my point. I'll show Prince George's County's income in relation to Montgomery County from 1969-1999.

1969 Prince George's had 74% of the income Montgomery County had (67/90) = Math

1979 Prince George's had 76% of the income Montgomery County had (70/91) = Math

1989 Prince George's had 78% of the income Montgomery County had (78/100) = Math


1999 Prince George's had 74% of the income Montgomery County had (75/101) = Math

In reality what i just proved is that Prince George's is county is back to where it started in terms of income when compared to Montgomery County. This also proves my point. The height of Prince George's wealth came in the 1980's when they had both large numbers of high income earning whites and blacks. The fall in the 1990's is soley attributed to what i stated early. When the poor blacks heard "Wealthiest Black County" they came in droves ruining like usual for the affluent blacks. The irony is they're the one's that complain throughout the boards about the crime in the inner beltway. Hello you all are the one's that brought the crime and brought the county down.

Now, that may upset some people but that's just a fact and the TRUTHHURTS! Crime increased ten fold in the 1990's when those DC project people due to white flight were able to find affordable housing and cheap rents in District Heights, Seat Pleasant, Landover Hills, Kentland, etc all those places near the boarder. To deny this fact is short sighted and will never help clean up the problem. Also "The War on Drugs" plays a big problem in the homicide numbers. But that's an argument for another day. Either way as i've stated before it should have never been advertised as the "Wealthiest Black County" becuase that was like a welcome mat in the 1990's to the black poor and an exit sound to the White middle class tax base. They should have simply called it what it is a wealthy county regardless of race. Sorry, to say labeling and advertising it as the "Wealthiest Black County" even though true had a deterimental effect on the county. Sure some of it is racist attitudes, but a lot of the problems are caused by the influx of poor blacks looking for a black mecca of saving grace! Now, i do not mean to offend anyone as previously stated there are plenty of poor people that are good people, but as perviously stated there are also a lot of bad apples in the bunch.

Just to make my point last and more clear look at it this way in terms of income growth

Income Growth
Moco
1969-1979 - 1%
PG
1969-1979- 4%

Moco
1979-1989- 9%
PG
1979-1989- 11% -- (Affluent middle and upper blacks move in, majority of middle class white base stays)

Moco
1989-1999- 1%
PG
1989-1999- (-4%) (Advertised as the "Wealthiest Black County" large influx of poor blacks move in and white middle class flees) (Funny the Clinton Years were bad for Prince George's County, but the Regan years were not)


1969 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars) 5.493
Montgomery County, MD $90,234
Prince George's County, MD $67,230

1979 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars) 2.776
Montgomery County, MD $91,807
Prince George's County, MD $70,857

1989 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars)1.625
Montgomery County, MD $100,730
Prince George's County, MD $78,765

1999 Median Family Income (In Today's Dollars) 1.21
Montgomery County, MD $101,682
Prince George's County, MD $75,585

[TuborgP]

Truth, as one getting up there in years I am glad that our future is in the hands of young technocrats like yourself. Keep up the good work and tell your parents they done well. As others might express it:

When given the intellectual challenge you "Git Er Done".