Proof that Maryland is Southern (Baltimore, Columbia: landscaping, to move, pine)

[U146]

Originally Posted by uab9253

The two "wings" of MD - both Eastern and Western are Southern states. The middle is Northern. Culturally and politically speaking, of course

Western Maryland is not Southern. It has more in common with Pennsylvania than West Virginia and Virginia.

[U146]

Originally Posted by sniffablecow

I dont think central MD is actually northern, I consider it transient, not really anything due to many different people there. anyway, about politics, baltimore county and part of anne arundel are democratic, but I agree with you on the most part. But lets just make sure we dont forget that MD in general is a solid democratic state.

I disagree that Central Maryland isn't Northern. It's got more in common with Pennsylvania than Virginia outside of NOVA.

[sniffablecow]

Originally Posted by U146

I disagree that Central Maryland isn't Northern. It's got more in common with Pennsylvania than Virginia outside of NOVA.

I didnt say that it it was more like virginia than pennsylvania. I agree with what you say in an overview, but I think central maryland is still very transient. I personally think maryland has more in common with new jersey as a better comparison, since pennsylvania is almost fully mountain land, while new jersey has more flat land.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by U146

Western Maryland is not Southern. It has more in common with Pennsylvania than West Virginia and Virginia.

I can see West Virginia from my back window. Cross from Southern Cumberland to Ridgeley or Wiley Ford, and the odds you notice anything different in dialect, demographics, or culture are about zero.

Western Maryland, especially Cumberland, experienced a large wave of Italian immigrants, like the industrial cities of northern WV and western PA. Muck like Clarksburg and Fairmont in WV, we eat pepperoni rolls as a local food made by local Italians who have been here since the early 20th century.

Its best to think of SW PA, Western Maryland, and WV north of about US 50 as the same region. I would throw in parts of SE Ohio too.

[sniffablecow]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

I can see West Virginia from my back window. Cross from Southern Cumberland to Ridgeley or Wiley Ford, and the odds you notice anything different in dialect, demographics, or culture are about zero.

Western Maryland, especially Cumberland, experienced a large wave of Italian immigrants, like the industrial cities of northern WV and western PA. Muck like Clarksburg and Fairmont in WV, we eat pepperoni rolls as a local food made by local Italians who have been here since the early 20th century.

Its best to think of SW PA, Western Maryland, and WV north of about US 50 as the same region. I would throw in parts of SE Ohio too.

Yeah, I think this is a good estimate.

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by U146

I disagree that Central Maryland isn't Northern. It's got more in common with Pennsylvania than Virginia outside of NOVA.

Ah, you've returned..
Explain, please.

Here is a suburb of Baltimore (Glen Burnie).
https://www.google.com/maps/place/79...b72be61a?hl=en
Do you see the forest? There aren't forests like that in the Northeast.

[U146]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

I can see West Virginia from my back window. Cross from Southern Cumberland to Ridgeley or Wiley Ford, and the odds you notice anything different in dialect, demographics, or culture are about zero.

Western Maryland, especially Cumberland, experienced a large wave of Italian immigrants, like the industrial cities of northern WV and western PA. Muck like Clarksburg and Fairmont in WV, we eat pepperoni rolls as a local food made by local Italians who have been here since the early 20th century.

Its best to think of SW PA, Western Maryland, and WV north of about US 50 as the same region. I would throw in parts of SE Ohio too.

I guess I agree with that assessment.

[U146]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

Ah, you've returned..
Explain, please.

Here is a suburb of Baltimore (Glen Burnie).
https://www.google.com/maps/place/79...b72be61a?hl=en
Do you see the forest? There aren't forests like that in the Northeast.

There are forests like that in Southern Pennsylvania and Southern New Jersey.

[sniffablecow]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

Ah, you've returned..
Explain, please.

Here is a suburb of Baltimore (Glen Burnie).
https://www.google.com/maps/place/79...b72be61a?hl=en
Do you see the forest? There aren't forests like that in the Northeast.

Just saying, southern new jersey has those. There is a famous youtuber who lives in south jersey, you can see tallpines. But tallpines arent everywhere in north MD. They arent THAT common.

Also, while there are southern features in MD plants wise, there are also some northern only plants in MD. I did not fully think MD was northern dialect wise, but I think it has some actual northern features plant and climate wise. There is a tree called an alaskan cedar, ill show you a picture of it. It is a northern only tree from what I have seen, northern VA is the most south I have seen it. Again, ill show a pic. I have a ton of these in my neighborhood, I live in bowie.

[Infinite_heights77]

That Mason-Dixon line is very outdated and inconsequential in my opinion.

Originally Posted by U146

We all know the Mason Dixon line to be quite outdated. Maryland hasn't been a truly Southern state for a long time.