Frustrating elections (California: get credit, law, vs)

[MDude25]

Originally Posted by Cruzincat

I've always said that voting for a Republican President in Maryland was a waste of time due to the Electoral College. I just found out my sister feel the same way, ever since Nixon/Kennedy, and she hasn't voted since.

Only problem with that is, she lives in Ohio! And, she feels the same way I do about Hillary!

The only reason I would ever want to live in Ohio again is so my vote would count, no matter which side I voted for!

So frustrating!

I think Republicans in Maryland and other blue states, myself included should move to purple states, lean blue states, and lean red states. States like Colorado, Florida, Virginia, PA, and NC just to name a few examples.

Living in a blue state come general election time a Republican vote is pretty ineffective in Maryland.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by MDude25

I think Republicans in Maryland and other blue states, myself included should move to purple states, lean blue states, and lean red states. States like Colorado, Florida, Virginia, PA, and NC just to name a few examples.

Living in a blue state come general election time a Republican vote is pretty ineffective in Maryland.

Oh?

Most of the County governments in the state are Republican controlled. The Governor is Republican.

[MDude25]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Oh?

Most of the County governments in the state are Republican controlled. The Governor is Republican.

That doesn't mean anything, you need to look at the bigger picture and not a snapshot of the time.

Democrats outnumber Republicans by more than 2-1 in MD. Democrats have super majorities in both the House and Senate. The Republican governor is weak, even his veto is powerless. The state is very gerrymandered to benefit Democrats. Just look at the general elections results of the past 8 elections. Look at the recent Senate race, where the Dem beat the Republican candidate by an easy 20%+, the only states where Republicans beat Democrats with numbers like that are Utah, Mississippi, Wyoming, Texas, and Alabama to give you some perspective. We haven't had a Republican Attorney General since the 1950's!

This is one of the bluest state's in the country. Hogan is a rarity and he knows it. Maryland Republicans and other blue-state Republicans would be better off moving to states where there vote can really help swing critical elections.

[DaveinMtAiry]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Yeah, I know, we have discussed this before. I'm using this election as an example of why Federalism exists, including the EC, and why the Founders were wise to create it, and we would be wise to keep it.

Well, if you don't agree with the way the Senate or the EC work, what government system do you think we should have? You are pretty much saying you want to scrap entire Articles of the Constitution and just start over, an opinion I have heard expressed more often lately than I ever have in my life, and something I personally disagree with......but I would like to hear your ideal system if we hit the reset button.

To be honest I have not out a lot of thought into a revised system and I'm certainly not qualifird to find a solution. North Beach made a good point about the Senate and has made me reconsider my posiotion there. So no I am not in favor of scrapping the entire system as spelled out by the Constitution..

All I know is a system that would require a move to another state so your vote would actually mean something, as suggested by another poster, is absurd.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by DaveinMtAiry

To be honest I have not out a lot of thought into a revised system and I'm certainly not qualifird to find a solution. North Beach made a good point about the Senate and has made me reconsider my posiotion there. So no I am not in favor of scrapping the entire system as spelled out by the Constitution..

All I know is a system that would require a move to another state so your vote would actually mean something, as suggested by another poster, is absurd.

Doing what NE and ME do by dividing EC votes up by congressional district may be the move that gives each voter the highest individual power index (most chance your vote will tip the results,) but congressional districts are already gerrymandered to extremes now.......if EC votes, not just House representation, were chosen by those lines, it would probably be worse.

That said, if you can fix the gerrymander, you may be able internally improve the EC in a way gives each voter more power, but still preserves federalism. Just a thought.....

[CBMD]

The link below is to a spreadsheet of ongoing vote totals by state, being maintained by the Cook Political Report.

With about supposedly about 7 million mail and absentee votes still to be counted, as of 11/20 HRC has a lead of 1.75M votes and will likely end up with lead closer to two million given where the outstanding votes remain. According to the Atlantic, seven presidents have been elected with a smaller margin. I assume they mean in nominal rather than proportional terms.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...le=true#gid=19

[DaveinMtAiry]

Originally Posted by CBMD

The link below is to a spreadsheet of ongoing vote totals by state, being maintained by the Cook Political Report.

With about supposedly about 7 million mail and absentee votes still to be counted, as of 11/20 HRC has a lead of 1.75M votes and will likely end up with lead closer to two million given where the outstanding votes remain. According to the Atlantic, seven presidents have been elected with a smaller margin. I assume they mean in nominal rather than proportional terms.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...le=true#gid=19

I was about to post a link showing Clinton's vote lead at 1.5 million and growing. In percentages that's small but still whatever the final figure becomes the loser literally received millions more votes than the winner. Yeah nothing wrong with that system. One man/woman one vote and every vote should count.

[Cruzincat]

Originally Posted by CBMD

The link below is to a spreadsheet of ongoing vote totals by state, being maintained by the Cook Political Report.

With about supposedly about 7 million mail and absentee votes still to be counted, as of 11/20 HRC has a lead of 1.75M votes and will likely end up with lead closer to two million given where the outstanding votes remain. According to the Atlantic, seven presidents have been elected with a smaller margin. I assume they mean in nominal rather than proportional terms.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...le=true#gid=19

But, will those absentee votes be counted in states where there are fewer of those votes than the difference in the outcome? I can see why they would not want to waste their time because of the EC not changing the outcome of the state's EC vote count.

Any change that would make the popular vote meaningful will result in a delay to determine the winner, even with the technology we have to do it quickly.

[Cruzincat]

Originally Posted by CBMD

The link below is to a spreadsheet of ongoing vote totals by state, being maintained by the Cook Political Report.

With about supposedly about 7 million mail and absentee votes still to be counted, as of 11/20 HRC has a lead of 1.75M votes and will likely end up with lead closer to two million given where the outstanding votes remain. According to the Atlantic, seven presidents have been elected with a smaller margin. I assume they mean in nominal rather than proportional terms.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...le=true#gid=19

Someone sure wasted a lot of time compiling that report, considering that, if the EC were eliminated or changed to where the popular vote started to actually count for something on a national level, the whole pattern of outcomes would change. Some deep blue or red states could become leaning blue or red states, and some leaning states may switch to the other color. The only way to know for sure is to try it, but will everyone be happy with the results? Not really! The supporters of the loser will not be too happy. They would probably be tracking what would have happened under the old EC system and point out their candidate would have won, and we would be right back to the same discussion.

[CBMD]

Originally Posted by Cruzincat

But, will those absentee votes be counted in states where there are fewer of those votes than the difference in the outcome?


I can see why they would not want to waste their time because of the EC not changing the outcome of the state's EC vote count.

Any change that would make the popular vote meaningful will result in a delay to determine the winner, even with the technology we have to do it quickly.

I haven't a clue what that question means, or what point you're trying to make.

I expect the ballots will be counted by the various states that issued them.

Did you have something else in mind?