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Old 01-05-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I'm shocked and depressed you think Clinton and the Democratic party would consider those examples of Islamophobia, xenophobia, homophobia, or being a "deplorable." There isn't even much debated between the national parties on the issues you just outlined:

1. both parties agree with lengthy vetting processes for refugees seeking entry to the U.S. to ensure they aren't a threat to American interests. That's why, under Obama, the processes would take roughly 2-years per refugee. Continuing "extreme vetting" is not what makes Trump and a chunk of his base come across as Islamophobic.
2. Both parties agree border/homeland security should be a federal funding priority. Trump - like Bush II before him - wanting to prioritize southern border spending isn't why he and a chunk of his base come across as xenophobic.
3. Both parties agree on the importance of defending religious liberty. Neither party's majority thinks a religious belief is relevant to whether a state or federal law is valid or not. That's conservative legal thinking 101 and the reason why, in the case you cite, even the Trump Admin isn't making a religious liberty argument (except, of course, in the public sphere to garner Evangelical support).

I'm honestly shocked you think anyone describes you as "deplorable." Hillary's quote, to me, so clearly targets people who are actually Islamophobia/xenophobia/homophobia - not people who simply hold a predominantly conservative viewpoint on the issues of culture, race, and religion. A chunk of Trump's base so obviously meets her "deplorable" definition that it never occurred to me that your run-of-the-mill conservative would think it directed at them (assuming they saw the quote within context). Thank you for that insight. I suppose the next Democratic candidate has a lot of work to do.
They do.

People know when they are being insulted and scapegoated. Others don't always catch it, "What do you mean you are insulted, that GOP candidate didn't call you a thug? Why would you assume he was talking to you? You are so successful and articulate. "

Just because I explain my positions with nuance, doesn't mean at their root they aren't based on ideas that the left loathes, and the powerful in the party let me know just about every time they open their mouths to speak.

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Old 01-06-2018, 05:36 AM
 
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She was right as the facts have proven with the current tangerine clown in the WH. Look you can disagree with them(politicians)...that's normal,you can dislike them fine put as a republican and an American the people that voted for trump are exactly what Hillary described,fine don't like her I understand that but there were other options so don't give anyone that best person baloney




This was suppose to be about state politics ,keep the WH out of it. Hogan has a done a very good job and needs to stay in Office.
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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She was right as the facts have proven with the current tangerine clown in the WH. Look you can disagree with them(politicians)...that's normal,you can dislike them fine put as a republican and an American the people that voted for trump are exactly what Hillary described,fine don't like her I understand that but there were other options so don't give anyone that best person baloney




This was suppose to be about state politics ,keep the WH out of it. Hogan has a done a very good job and needs to stay in Office.
There were no other realistic options.

I agree that Hogan is doing a pretty good job.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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She was right as the facts have proven with the current tangerine clown in the WH. Look you can disagree with them(politicians)...that's normal,you can dislike them fine put as a republican and an American the people that voted for trump are exactly what Hillary described,fine don't like her I understand that but there were other options so don't give anyone that best person baloney




This was suppose to be about state politics ,keep the WH out of it. Hogan has a done a very good job and needs to stay in Office.
To tie it back to Gov. Hogan, he needs Democratic crossover votes, and a healthy majority of Independents to win again, just like in 2014. The board is SO stacked against a GOP candidate in Maryland that the stars have to line up just right for even a close victory.

Will those crossover votes be there this time? I am not certain. In the current political climate, it is less likely than it was in 2014.
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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To tie it back to Gov. Hogan, he needs...
He needs.... what all R governor candidates in Maryland have needed since at least 1966:
for the Dems to be stupid enough to not put up a good candidate choice.

Of note: this is the single largest reason why Trump was able to win as well.
Some dems get this (finally!)... some still refuse the logic.
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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He needs.... what all R governor candidates in Maryland have needed since at least 1966:
for the Dems to be stupid enough to not put up a good candidate choice.

Of note: this is the single largest reason why Trump was able to win as well.
Some dems get this (finally!)... some still refuse the logic.
Right, the bad Dem. candidate is what allows for the crossover votes to happen. If the Dems nominate a better candidate, even people who like the Governor may still choose to unseat him for a person in their own party they like just the same.

Still, my point is that you not only run against the other candidate, you run against the board, or to put it another way, the underlying demographics and voting tendencies of the voters in the jurisdiction. A good Dem. candidate may be enough to unseat the Governor, period full stop. Even if only a mediocre opponent is put forth, he could still lose because blue states are likely to vote bluer in 2018 than they did in 2014 based on what I have seen in the last year.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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To tie it back to Gov. Hogan, he needs Democratic crossover votes, and a healthy majority of Independents to win again, just like in 2014. The board is SO stacked against a GOP candidate in Maryland that the stars have to line up just right for even a close victory.

Will those crossover votes be there this time? I am not certain. In the current political climate, it is less likely than it was in 2014.
The Democrats are going to tie Hogan to Trump the same way they tied Ehrlich to Bush.
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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He's been ok as Governor and I'll vote for him again , but he did go through his cancer scare. With that said , I think he's been for the most part way better then a Democrat, doesn't want to do idiotic things like tax the rain, promote socialism and make the state an official one stop shop for gangs like MS-13 with the Democrats insane mantra of a sanctuary state. I would also say he could be front and center more and out in the public a bit more, He seems to disappear and be in the back ground. He also promised to take care of this aircraft noise here in MD, haven't seen that yet ether.
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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The Democrats are going to tie Hogan to Trump the same way they tied Ehrlich to Bush.
So what , let them, Trump has got out unemployment rate at the best its been in 17 years, has black unemployment the lowest ever, passed a great tax plan, has companies bringing back jobs to our county, trying to secure our borders so gangs can't import drugs into our country like under eight years of Obama , HELLO OPIOID EPIDEMIC IN MARYLAND , and wants to re-do very flawed trade agreements like NAFTA, and trying to solve the illegal immigration issue ,and all of that was done in a year just for starters. Oh, and build our military up that was decimated under Obama while he was on all of his golf vacations. .The Democrats say no to all of that ??
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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So what , let them, Trump has got out unemployment rate at the best its been in 17 years, has black unemployment the lowest ever, passed a great tax plan, has companies bringing back jobs to our county, trying to secure our borders so gangs can't import drugs into our country like under eight years of Obama , HELLO OPIOID EPIDEMIC IN MARYLAND , and wants to re-do very flawed trade agreements like NAFTA, and trying to solve the illegal immigration issue ,and all of that was done in a year just for starters. Oh, and build our military up that was decimated under Obama while he was on all of his golf vacations. .The Democrats say no to all of that ??
The President's approval rating in MD was 34% last year. 63% disapprove. I can't imagine it is higher now, maybe even lowe.r

Hogan rides high, Trump sinks low in new Maryland poll - Baltimore Sun

NPB is absolutely correct, the Democrats will do everything they can to tie Hogan to Trump and the nation-wide GOP brand. The GOP, most specifically Trump's, issues with suburban voters is huge in Maryland too.
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