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Old 02-26-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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I can bang and critique his policies, but making fun of his weight, dietary habits and his sickly existence is more entertaining and fun .
He'll get re-elected easy! so get out your crying towel!
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Catonsville, Md
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He probably will. But he was sick most of his first term. Hasn't really done much like he said he would and he always blames the Dems.
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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He'll get re-elected easy! so get out your crying towel!
Getting re-elected can never be assumed with a Republican in MD.
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:34 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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He probably will. But he was sick most of his first term. Hasn't really done much like he said he would and he always blames the Dems.
No he wasn't.
As far as "blaming" Democrats keep in mind that there's a veto proof majority in the Legislature, so they can pass anything they want. Which they have. Some have been crazy, like allowing the State Attorney General sue the federal government with no oversight.

The Legislature flat out refused to negotiate the paid sick leave bill and passed, over a veto, and passed a bill that really does harm small businesses.

Lest you think I have some brief for small businesses I don't. I find the owners of the vast majority of the ones I have to deal with to be morons. I'm sorry, that insults morons.
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Old 03-06-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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Gov Hogan was on WBAL this morning hinting at trying to do more for retirees. I wish he had somewhat explained. So many of our friends have already left the state and we'll probably be next. They seem to pass incentives for certain groups but the fact there is no or very little exclusions for everyone who has an IRA is ridiculous. Why not offer what many other surrounding states offer $12,000 exclusion for withdrawals.
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Old 03-06-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Gov Hogan was on WBAL this morning hinting at trying to do more for retirees. I wish he had somewhat explained. So many of our friends have already left the state and we'll probably be next. They seem to pass incentives for certain groups but the fact there is no or very little exclusions for everyone who has an IRA is ridiculous. Why not offer what many other surrounding states offer $12,000 exclusion for withdrawals.

Unfortunately, even if Hogan puts that legislation into the hopper in the next few days, it won't get passed. The Legislature is not going to do anything that makes him look good going into November. In fact, there are several bills there right now which have lofty sounding and populist names but are only veto bait so the Democrats can go into the election pointing out what a bad man and anti-regular guy Hogan is for vetoing them. An example is the sick leave bill.

The same thing was done to Ehrlich over gambling, the Democrats, primarily Miller and Busch, were morally opposed to it until O'Malley was elected which caused each of them to have an epiphany. The reality was that they weren't going to allow a Republican Governor to get credit for getting casinos.
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Old 03-06-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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So sad.
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Old 03-06-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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Unfortunately, even if Hogan puts that legislation into the hopper in the next few days, it won't get passed. The Legislature is not going to do anything that makes him look good going into November. In fact, there are several bills there right now which have lofty sounding and populist names but are only veto bait so the Democrats can go into the election pointing out what a bad man and anti-regular guy Hogan is for vetoing them. An example is the sick leave bill.

The same thing was done to Ehrlich over gambling, the Democrats, primarily Miller and Busch, were morally opposed to it until O'Malley was elected which caused each of them to have an epiphany. The reality was that they weren't going to allow a Republican Governor to get credit for getting casinos.
You're acting like Hogan's forced to veto popular bills. He vetoes them - even though he knows it's an irrelevant move on his part - because he's playing the game, too. He thinks positioning himself as a check against the MD GA plays well and he might be right.

Your second point contradicts your first. You can't claim that the GA is pushing through popular bills to make Hogan look bad and also claim that the GA refuses to pass popular bills during Hogan's term out of fear he will get credit.
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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You're acting like Hogan's forced to veto popular bills. He vetoes them - even though he knows it's an irrelevant move on his part - because he's playing the game, too. He thinks positioning himself as a check against the MD GA plays well and he might be right.

Your second point contradicts your first. You can't claim that the GA is pushing through popular bills to make Hogan look bad and also claim that the GA refuses to pass popular bills during Hogan's term out of fear he will get credit.
I didn't say the bills were popular, just that the title sounds good to people who don't pay attention.

You and I are from different parts of the state with residents who have differing opinions on "popular" and "good" and "smart" bills.

If another, say, gun control bill is put up, HB 1031 being an example, you would support it wholeheartedly while I would say it's just another feel good law which will have zero impact on anyone but law abiding gun owners. For informational purposes, the law requires that if I loan you a gun for when we go skeet shooting that loan has to go through the NICS background check.

You really need to listen to what your Delegates and Senators say. I have occasion to be around a lot of them and they're very open about sandbagging the current Governor this year.

Here's another reality: no law in Maryland, none, zero, nada, gets passed unless State Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller gives the go ahead.
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Old 03-06-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I didn't say the bills were popular, just that the title sounds good to people who don't pay attention.

You and I are from different parts of the state with residents who have differing opinions on "popular" and "good" and "smart" bills.

If another, say, gun control bill is put up, HB 1031 being an example, you would support it wholeheartedly while I would say it's just another feel good law which will have zero impact on anyone but law abiding gun owners. For informational purposes, the law requires that if I loan you a gun for when we go skeet shooting that loan has to go through the NICS background check.

You really need to listen to what your Delegates and Senators say. I have occasion to be around a lot of them and they're very open about sandbagging the current Governor this year.

Here's another reality: no law in Maryland, none, zero, nada, gets passed unless State Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller gives the go ahead.
You were implying the vetoed bills were popular; otherwise, there wouldn't be political harm in vetoing them, yeah? That was my point. Hogan's not delusional - he recognizes instances where his vetoes are powerless - and he's not a hardliner who would jeopardize reelection just to follow his convictions, either.

I'm certain you're right that Democratic leaders weigh the political ramifications of their actions and try to set the election stage in a way that increase the odds of regaining control of the governor's mansion. Just like I'm confident Hogan is savvy enough to pick and choose battles. He's done an excellent job of maneuvering and moderating, as needed. He's not vetoing anything he thinks will come back to haunt him.
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