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Old 11-27-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Thank you Governor Hogan! While you're at it, can you have your panel redraw the rest of the districts too? The Supreme Court can't strike down these blatantly gerrymandered districts fast enough, as far as I'm concerned! (And to those of you who complain that I'm being hypocritical because Republicans do it too, I say that I don't like it any better when they do it either. ALL gerrymandering should cease, regardless of who it benefits.)


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Old 11-27-2018, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I agree. It's bad when both sides lie, cheat, and steal elections. It takes it further away from "we the people." It's especially despicable if someone conspires with a foreign entity to lie, cheat, and steal an election. It should not be tolerated as well. Agree?
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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How do you redraw JUST the 6th district? If the lines are changed for it the lines will change for at least one other district. The 8th District is also being redrawn as a minimum.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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It doesn't matter. The Legislature has to approve the district maps and no way will they approve one from Hogan. They will, however, redraw it to suit themselves.

The argument is that Maryland can't redraw the districts unless other states also do so.

It should be noted that Attorney General Frosh has filed suit to vacate the Court order to redraw using the above rationale.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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It doesn't matter. The Legislature has to approve the district maps and no way will they approve one from Hogan. They will, however, redraw it to suit themselves.

The argument is that Maryland can't redraw the districts unless other states also do so.

It should be noted that Attorney General Frosh has filed suit to vacate the Court order to redraw using the above rationale.

The court has said that if the districts aren't redrawn to their satisfaction, they'll do it themselves. The legislature might find that they can't gerrymander their way out of this one.
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Old 11-27-2018, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Baltimore MD/Durham NC
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The argument is that Maryland can't redraw the districts unless other states also do so.
The country does need this though. The Supreme Court needs to strike down partisan gerrymandering for everyone. I understand why some people are upset about Maryland changing their districts, when there are more congressional districts which are under a GOP gerrymandering right now.

The entire thing needs to end.
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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The country does need this though. The Supreme Court needs to strike down partisan gerrymandering for everyone. I understand why some people are upset about Maryland changing their districts, when there are more congressional districts which are under a GOP gerrymandering right now.

The entire thing needs to end.

Just took a course that covered this. The Supreme Court has a long history of not interfering with the States METHOD of drawing district lines. I would have to pull out the class notes with the case citations in it to get a list of the important cases. Most cases have been argued under the 14th Amendment and the line that the court hasn't crossed is in forcing a particular method of drawing lines on the states. They will rule on individual cases but have restrained from forcing a particular method to be used to resolve the issue. I don't see this Court changing that.


The course was a senior enrichment course. The person teaching it is a lawyer. He was a partner in a good sized DC area law firm as well as teaching pre-law courses at a PA college for years. He has taught courses on the 1st, 5th, 14th, and 10th amendments in the current program.
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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PA already took the initiative, and it was a net gain for the Dems. At this point, I see no reason Maryland can't do the same, even if it would mean +1 for the GOP.
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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PA already took the initiative, and it was a net gain for the Dems. At this point, I see no reason Maryland can't do the same, even if it would mean +1 for the GOP.
Lol, "took the initiative" makes it sound like they had a choice.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Lol, "took the initiative" makes it sound like they had a choice.
LOL, Ok, maybe I should have said the "PA Courts took the initiative."

Bigger point is that the argument "We won't do it until other states do it" is a bit moot now. The ball is already rolling. I really hope MD gets on board. The 6th is an abomination of a congressional district. Folks who live in it can't win it, and we are a huge target for any MD/VA/DC carpetbagger who thinks he/she can afford to get elected to Congress. This applies to Delaney, Trone, Bongino and Hoeber...........even though Delaney was an acceptable Congressman.

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