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Old 05-15-2007, 08:01 AM
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For starters, there are Steelers fans everywhere in Maryland, even in Baltimore. The team has a national fan base similar to Dallas or Oakland. Once you get to Cumberland there are about as many Steelers fans as their are Redskin or Raven fans. The Cumberland Times-News splits its coverage evenly between the three teams. It splits its college sports coverage evenly between U of Maryland, and WVU, with Penn St. a close third. By the time you get to Frostburg and on into Garrett County, the Steelers are clearly the #1 team.
As for your deeper question about the mentality and allegience of Western Maryland, it is hard to quantify. As I said earlier, there are obvious government, educational, and transportation ties to the down-state areas, but the average Western Marylander generally has more frequent communications with neighboring WV and PA than the rest of the state. IMO, the dividing line between Western Maryland and "down-state" is Sideling Hill (roughly the border between Allegany and Washington County). East of this mountain, the topography levels out, I-70 starts, and it you start to find people that commute into the metro regions to work.
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Old 05-15-2007, 06:47 PM
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Yes, It's much more pittsburgh than Bal/wash and more "disconnected" from the rest of maryalnd. I family up there and they get pitt stations, like their sorts teams, and fly from the pittsburgh airport
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Old 05-15-2007, 10:56 PM
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Cool, is it primary PIT in other sports such as Baseball and Hockey?
Do they do the same in Cumberland to Frostburg, covering the Pirates and Pens as much or more than Orioles, Nationals, or Caps?
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Old 06-09-2007, 02:12 AM
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Okay, here is your "everything you need to know about Garrett County" post (based on the questions and answers that have been posted in this thread so far)...

Qualifications--I lived in virtually every part of Garrett County over the course of 22 years, beginning when I was 10 years old. I've been involved in most of the culture and life of the county. I'm very familiar with the businesses, politicians and people in general. I moved from GC in 1998 and have since lived in Pennsylvania and Florida. I currently reside about half an hour north of GC and still go there on occasion.

GC in general - There is no "urban" in Garrett County. The largest city is the County Seat of Oakland, boasting a population of only 2000 or so people (maybe 4-5000 by the time you add the outlying "suburbs"). Walmart just opened up in the last few years. Burger King only a while back, too. In fact, growing up in Oakland, I didn't even get McDonalds until the early 80's. There's still a lot of everyday America that you don't see there--and that is a good thing!

Population-wise, Garrett County is white. I don't mean white like Beverly Hills, I mean WHITE...more than 98% of the population is caucasian. Of the non-white population, the vast majority are transients who attend Garrett College at Deep Creek Lake, or perhaps the occasional second-home owning "tourist". There is naturally some "intolerance" to outsiders, particularly non-whites, but I can honestly say in my experience this was not nearly so much as one would expect.

Schools there are excellent, though one poster mentioned Northern Garrett schools being preferred over Southern Garrett. I attented both--elementary and middle, and one year of high school in the Northern end, and 3 years of high school in the Southern end, where I graduated. THERE IS NO COMPARISON...in my educated (pun intended) opinion the Southern Garrett schools are vastly superior (or were, when I was a student in the late 70s to mid-80s, and when I was involved in school-aged sports programs throughout the 1990s). They are also more populated (which is like saying "this thimble holds more than that thimble") and less rural. This "less rural" mentality makes up the biggest difference between the two schools. Given the choice to attend Northern or Southern...I'll choose Southern 100 out of 100 times.

There is no crime in Garrett County to speak of. This is the kind of place where you can honestly be more afraid of bear attacks than people attacks, though that is less true the closer you get to the tourist areas of Deep Creek Lake. There has always been a good police presence in the county, and crime and punishment are taken very seriously there.

It has been said that Garrett County has two seasons--winter and July. This is a bit of a stretch, but not much. Temperatures are mild throughout the summer, but when October rolls around it can get pretty cold, and it stays that way until well into May. Mostly, it SNOWS. Lots and lots of it. Fortunately, nobody maintains roads like GC, and the residents know how to drive in it so you don't often see much of a problem until, again, you get near tourists. This much is absolutely true--two feet of snow in Garrett County isn't as dangerous as two inches pretty much anywhere else on the Eastern seaboard. Six inches in a place like Pittsburgh shuts down the city. Six inches in Garrett County doesn't even slow the traffic.

From a "national" sports perspective, GC is Pittsburgh Steeler country in football (West Virginia University for colleges), Pirate and (Baltimore) Oriole country in baseball, WVU and Maryland in college basketball, and uh--did you say there are other sports? What is this "hockey" thing of which you speak?

Garrett County considers itself part of Maryland by law only. To be completely honest, the entire county feels separated from the rest of the state in many, many ways. If a GC resident is forced to identify with a state, it's usually West Virginia or Pennsylvania...but for the most part GC feels itself an entity unto itself. On the same note, GC is politically dominated by Republicans. Democrats are vastly outnumbered and the ideas and ideals of Democrats are pretty roundly dismissed as (the) lunacy (they are). Can you tell I'm a Garrett Countian? The county newspaper is called The Republican. Need you know any more? Oh, and it's published WEEKLY. The "area" daily paper comes out of Cumberland, one county away. Most Garrett Countians read that grudgingly, and would line their birdcage with it if there was any alternative.

Job-wise, it's not a strong employment area. The construction trades, and agriculture of course, are the dominant fields. Wages are not all that high. Fortunately the cost of living (outside of the lake area) isn't that high, either.

For recreation, you simply won't find a better place to live if you enjoy outdoor activities. There are also movie theaters and the occasional "higher" forms of entertainment. If you're looking for the Opera, though...either stay put in the city, or be prepared to drive a couple of hours to reach Pittsburgh or Baltimore/Washington. The average Garrett Countian would struggle to spell Opera if you spotted him the "P-E-R-A".

County residents embrace and even occasionally flaunt their "redneck" side, but many try to at least think a bit more progressively. For an area that could be exceedingly backward, it really isn't at all. It is a rather religious area, though. When I left the county, it was still illegal to sell alcohol on Sunday.

In real estate terms, the lake has pushed prices up into extreme levels on occasion, and if you can picture a piece of rubber balloon stretched across a circular frame, with a finger poking into it in the middle stretching it to near breaking, this would represent Deep Creek Lake. The areas surrounding that experience higher-than-warranted prices, but that phenomenon decreases sharply as you get further and further away from the lake.

That gives you a pretty good rundown, and will hopefully answer most of your questions.

Oh, and given the choice whether to ever move back to Garrett County again, I would say this--in a HEARTBEAT I would do so, if the county ever finds a way to remove itself entirely from the rest of the state of Maryland. I will never move back to Maryland (a more worthless state this side of Massachusettes would be difficult to find)!
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Old 06-09-2007, 05:32 AM
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Sounds like an ideal place to live.
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Old 06-09-2007, 08:36 AM
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My parents have a vaca home in McHenry and I love it there! Brenda's Pizza and Candyland (I know it's not called Candyland, but I mean the store where they sell like a zillion types of candy) are two of my favorite places ever. And they are expanding Wisp a lot, and Swallow Falls is fun in the summer for camping/hiking.

Some disgruntled locals called my dad and our neighbor "flatlanders" about 10 years ago at JRs (I think it's called JRs or JGs or something like that), and they are farrrrr from being city slickers. We still joke about it to this day.
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Old 06-09-2007, 02:56 PM
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Coolman, thanks for ALL the info though I didn't start the thread. I'm actually from Montgomery County (and not white though that shouldn't really matter). We're actualy not the real Maryland either. People from Baltimore and Annapolis consider themselves the real Maryland, with the images of the Chesapeake Bay, crabcakes, the Orioles, etc. From personal experience I can tell you that people in Baltimore treat Garrett as more Maryland than Montgomery County. Or PG County, but that place is an embarassment to this state, it does nothing except drive up our crime statistics, gang membership, rates, poverty rates, etc. Its funny how going to Garrett County for the first time made me hate Maryland less.

I also hate the politics in this state, especially with Governor O'Malley wanting to give illegal aliens in-state tuition at Maryland colleges. Illegals have one right, and that is to get out and don't let the door hit them on the way out.

I'm surprised to hear Garrett has more snow than Pittsburgh. I go to Deep Creek Lake every fall with my mom's company (going in Septermber this year as always). Went to the Wal-Mart in Oakland which is the same as the one in Germantown so I completely agree with things being commercialized. Accident, MD seems like the picture perfect town that Norman Rockwell would paint. When I picture the "real America" that's the kind of place that would come to mind.

I have some friends from Cumberland and even they say Garrett is full of "hicks". I only know one person from Garrett and his family moved there to avoid overcrowding in Baltimore. They first moved to Carroll then felt Carroll was too developed and now he says he hates the devlopment around the lake

A question I've raised in teh General U.S. board too. Since ya'll are linked to PA, how's the drive up US-219 into PA? We'd like to take that trip to the Flight 93 memorial in Somerset County cause its not that far away from Deep Creek it seems. And this Meyersdale place and some big mountain near there. Is it worth a stop?
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Old 06-09-2007, 02:57 PM
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Oh yeah and its a disappointment to hear about all the cold weather and snow fall. So I guess for me the future is either Annapolis/Anne Arundel or someplace in the South or Southwest.
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The person who said there was a "touch" more snow is completely wrong. Garrett county, while beautiful, has areas that average 80-100 inches of snow every year, compared to Cumberland only a few miles away which averages near 40". It's A LOT more cold then the rest of Maryland, and basically anytime from October to April when the wind blows from the northwest it snows.
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:42 PM
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Westside boy, what's with the border between Western Maryland? I've heard some people say its Sideling Hill but a lot of people also count Hagerstown as part of Western Maryland too. At least most people from Montgomery County do. People from Baltimore even count Frederick as Western.
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