I take back every good thing I've ever said about Montgomery Co. (Baltimore: insurance, crime rate)

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by JMadison

Welk geez, Baltimore is in Maryland, right? And it's a pretty small state. Based on this federal report I can't see how most of that area can't be fairly gangsta.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/mso01-bp.pdf

No doubt there are going to be rich areas anywhere. I can recall Germantown, near Memphis looked nice. But I doubt anyone would call greater Memphis a nice place.

P.S. Here's a quote from an apparent resident of Montgomert Co. in the thread labeled "Pro/Con Maryland v. Virginia. So there's at least some anecdotal support for my impressions from written media:

"I can't speak on behalf of N. Virgina but I can't wait to get out of Montgomery County, MD. Traffic is horrendous, every year a new development pops out of nowhere, and the ghetto is spreading north."

Haha, you don't know what your talking about. according to you, Baltimroe makes up most of Maryland. Look at a map! Please im begging you

Baltimore isn't even predominantly ghetto! Like 1/3 maybe (which is pushing it).



Im sorry, but going by a poster who hate Montgomery co is a horrible, and i mean HORRIBLE way to generalize a state or to a lesser extent a county (although very much so!).

Im not going to lie, Maryland has its ghettos, in Parts of Baltimore and PG County, not much else at all, whatsoever.

Memphis? To tell you the truth I have never even heard of Memphis. I doubt it even has a "great Memphis" to speak of. Are you sure you're not talking about Memphis. Tennessee?? That's a WHOLE nother story and doesnt even deal with Maryland!

Why am i even wasting my time with someone whose never been to Maryland? Like I said in another thread, the best part of living in an underrated state everyoen thinks is a suburb (or Ghetto!) is..More for Me!

[TJsWife]

People who read through this thread are going to think Maryland is horrible...I live in western MoCo and the people are friendly, theres tons of open space, and crime is pretty low. I can see where people are coming from on the crime and illegals and all, but dont say all of Md is a waste. There are some great places in Md that are absolutely beautiful.

[The_Fairfaxian]

I do agree that it isn't fair to label the entire state of Maryland as a carbon copy of MoCo, so here's a better description of Maryland:

Yuppie/Snobbish terrain
Ghetto/Soulja Boi land
Good ol' Boy/Neo-Confederate territory

[dkf747]

It's not fair to label all of MoCo that way either. I live there and do not fit the description, and I'm not the only one.

[JMadison]

Originally Posted by Billiam

Haha, you don't know what your talking about. according to you, Baltimroe makes up most of Maryland. Look at a map! Please im begging you

Baltimore isn't even predominantly ghetto! Like 1/3 maybe (which is pushing it).



Im sorry, but going by a poster who hate Montgomery co is a horrible, and i mean HORRIBLE way to generalize a state or to a lesser extent a county (although very much so!).

Im not going to lie, Maryland has its ghettos, in Parts of Baltimore and PG County, not much else at all, whatsoever.

Memphis? To tell you the truth I have never even heard of Memphis. I doubt it even has a "great Memphis" to speak of. Are you sure you're not talking about Memphis. Tennessee?? That's a WHOLE nother story and doesnt even deal with Maryland!

Why am i even wasting my time with someone whose never been to Maryland? Like I said in another thread, the best part of living in an underrated state everyoen thinks is a suburb (or Ghetto!) is..More for Me!

Yes I meant Memphis, Tenn.

I never said all of Maryland was Baltimore. Just that Md. contains Baltimore, and is a very small state. The census map shows high percentages of Africanization and Baltimore is majority black coming it at 65%. Since ghetto and Africanization tend to travel together, a reasonable extrapolation is Md. is largely ghetto.

Personally I'd be more than happy if the picture painted by the available data is wrong. Old high school buds I have in Md. tend to say, "If you stay out of Baltimore you are OK". But heck, that's where a lot of the work is going to be, along with D.C. right? And it looks like all of the major employment centers in the region have extraordinary indicators of the usual urban problems.

As an (extreme) example, consider Vegas. You could live in Summerlin or Green Valley. (The alleged nice areas.) But so what? The valley is so small you are essentially in "the hood" wherever you go to do normal things like grocery shop. So if you can choose, clearly Vegas is something to avoid. I mean, what good is it if you are essentially stuck in your little enclave of "niceness" and the minute you go out the gate you are in suck-ville? So the ideal is to find a place that even the poor and middle class sections (where I'd likely have to live) aren't bad to begin with, and "the hood" is a far away as possible, so that it doesn't grow into you space during your lifetime.

The question for me, whenever I'm considering a relocation is simple. "What is life in this place I've never been really like?" I had several instances where a new destination looked great on paper, but was something else when I got there. So I dig more these days before I answer a job posting. Simple as that. Basically getting tired of false starts and too old to go through too many more of them.

[JMadison]

Originally Posted by The_Fairfaxian

I do agree that it isn't fair to label the entire state of Maryland as a carbon copy of MoCo, so here's a better description of Maryland:
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Yuppie/Snobbish terrain
Ghetto/Soulja Boi land
Good ol' Boy/Neo-Confederate territory

What's that one little blue dot north the other Yuppie/Snob territory?

[Billiam]

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[Billiam]

Originally Posted by JMadison

Yes I meant Memphis, Tenn.

I never said all of Maryland was Baltimore. Just that Md. contains Baltimore, and is a very small state. The census map shows high percentages of Africanization and Baltimore is majority black coming it at 65%. Since ghetto and Africanization tend to travel together, a reasonable extrapolation is Md. is largely ghetto.

Personally I'd be more than happy if the picture painted by the available data is wrong. Old high school buds I have in Md. tend to say, "If you stay out of Baltimore you are OK". But heck, that's where a lot of the work is going to be, along with D.C. right? And it looks like all of the major employment centers in the region have extraordinary indicators of the usual urban problems.

As an (extreme) example, consider Vegas. You could live in Summerlin or Green Valley. (The alleged nice areas.) But so what? The valley is so small you are essentially in "the hood" wherever you go to do normal things like grocery shop. So if you can choose, clearly Vegas is something to avoid. I mean, what good is it if you are essentially stuck in your little enclave of "niceness" and the minute you go out the gate you are in suck-ville? So the ideal is to find a place that even the poor and middle class sections (where I'd likely have to live) aren't bad to begin with, and "the hood" is a far away as possible, so that it doesn't grow into you space during your lifetime.

The question for me, whenever I'm considering a relocation is simple. "What is life in this place I've never been really like?" I had several instances where a new destination looked great on paper, but was something else when I got there. So I dig more these days before I answer a job posting. Simple as that. Basically getting tired of false starts and too old to go through too many more of them.

God, Some Americans truly live up to the dumb stereotype. You ARE telling me Baltimore makes up most of Maryland. That is what you are telling me *slaps in face. Even Providence Doesn't take up all of Rhode Island or half or a third or a fourth etc, but according to you, it would take it all up. You've never even Been to Maryland, get on your way already and stop dissing a place you know 0 about

[JMadison]

Originally Posted by Billiam

God, Some Americans truly live up to the dumb stereotype. You ARE telling me Baltimore makes up most of Maryland. That is what you are telling me *slaps in face. Even Providence Doesn't take up all of Rhode Island or half or a third or a fourth etc, but according to you, it would take it all up. You've never even Been to Maryland, get on your way already and stop dissing a place you know 0 about

Learn to read. Nowhere did I say "Baltimore makes up most of Maryland." That is you're inference.

I said Baltimore is in Md. I said Md. is small. I pointed out that census figures show a large african american population in Md. I suggest that ghetto and large AA populations statistically go together. But never did I say "All of Md. is Baltimore", LOL!

OK, let's forget the PC facade. Just how black is Maryland?


The map on page 2 here suggests all of Md. exceeds the national average, by many fold in many regions.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/mso01-bp.pdf

Can't be any more objective than a census report, can we?

And from the subjective side, apparently I'm not the only one with this impression:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/maryl...ve-ghetto.html

Here's a good one...

http://ghettoamerica.blogspot.com/20...-maryland.html

Geez, just go to google and type in "Maryland Ghetto" and see what you find.

Heck, I'm just researching, not dissing, LOL!

Anyway, from a Census site:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24000.html

Md. looks to be about 250% above national averages at 29.5%. So the perception that Md. is ghetto from statistics would seem justifiable unless it's a very segregated place perhaps? Especially given that credible psycological studies show that the perceived tipping point is around 5%. (In which case USA as a whole has "tipped" from a perceptual standpoint.)

Here's some additional objective data:

http://www.mdp.state.md.us/msdc/cens.../sumry1990.pdf

Here's some excerpts that lean toward ghetto expansion:

Statewide
Statewide, the black population had the greatest absolute growth over the 1990 to 2000
period, over 287,000 or 24.2 percent. The white population was fairly stable, dropping just over
2,600, or less than 0.1 percent. As a result, the black population increased its share of the total
population by three percentage points, to 27.9 percent of the total population in 2000. The white
share dropped seven percentage points (due also to the growth of Asians and other races), from
71 percent in 1990 to 64 percent in 2000.

Despite the large increase in the black population over the 1990s, there is evidence that,
at least in the aggregate, the black population was slightly less concentrated at the end of the
decade. In 2000, 64.5 percent of all blacks lived in neighborhoods that are majority black (i.e. at
least 50 percent black). This was down somewhat from the 65.8 percent of the black population
that lived in majority black neighborhoods in 1990.

Overall, whites were also less concentrated in 2000. In 2000, just over nine in 10 whites
(90.5%) lived in majority white neighborhoods. This was down slightly from the 94.6 percent
share in 1990.

Montgomery County:

Montgomery County’s black population grew by nearly 37,700 between 1990 and 2000,
increasing its share to 15.1 percent from 12.4 percent in 1990. Less than one out of 10
Montgomery County blacks (9.6%) lived in majority black neighborhoods in 2000. While this is
a small portion of the total black population, it is more than double the share in 1990 (3.6%).

So... in the end, it's a reasonable perception based on easy to find data, that maybe some areas of Md. would be perceived as stated.

[Billiam]

Maryland is home to the Wealthiest black Populations in America. You are ignorant by thinking you understand Maryland and know everything about a place you've never been. Again, your generalizing a few counties into a whole state. No sense there. You've way, WAY, underestimating the size of Maryland. Like I said, there is ghetto parts of Maryland, but not much of the state is that way. DC pushed a lot of its ghetto into Maryland, but other than that and Baltimore, Nope. BTW learn to understand what an inference is. Did I quote you?