How are the Maryland Suburbs of DC different than the VA Suburbs? (Baltimore: credit, attorney)

[bowian]

Originally Posted by vivo

should private universities be included? If so where is Hopkins? naval academy?
maryland institute college of art in baltimore has a pretty awesome art school rep. top 3 perhaps i think.

Hopkins is no. 15. BTW, Howard U is 102 (DC) and Catholic U is 116 (DC).

[$mk8795]

Originally Posted by hj2500

That report ranks Virginia as number 4, which is not horrible.

Northern Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


National Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report
23 Georgetown University (DC)
23 University of Virginia (VA)
32 College of William and Mary (VA)
53 George Washington University (DC)
53 University of Maryland--College Park (MD)
71 Virginia Tech (VA)
83 American University (DC)
102 Howard University (DC)
116 Catholic University of America (DC)

Nice try at failing to make most of the Virginia Colleges/Universities Outrank any of the Maryland Colleges/Universities:

15 Johns Hopkins University (MD)

[hj2500]

Originally Posted by $mk8795

Nice try at failing to make most of the Virginia Colleges/Universities Outrank any of the Maryland Colleges/Universities:

I missed it because I didn't try to fail hard enough? The list is still VA-centric if excluding DC and Thomas Jefferson kids (the best in the US) usually go to the VA ones, if not something like Harvard.

15 Johns Hopkins University (MD)
23 University of Virginia (VA)
32 College of William and Mary (VA)
53 University of Maryland--College Park (MD)
71 Virginia Tech (VA)


You didn't have anything to say about this list though?

Quote:
19 of [Northern Virginia's] schools appear in the top 200 of Newsweek's America's Top Public High Schools, of which schools like Thomas Jefferson were deemed "too elite" for. In comparison, Washington, Maryland, and the rest of Virginia have 10 schools between them in the top 200. [47]

[terp4ever]

The fact is that overall (statewide and in the Metro Area) the schools in MD are better than those in VA.1.)The annual Washington Post Challenge Index, published Dec. 11, reports that all eligible MCPS high schools are among the top 100 schools in the metropolitan Washington region for the 2007–2008 school year. The rankings are based on Advanced Placement, International Baccalaureate and other college-level test participationSix high schools—Bethesda-Chevy Chase, Winston Churchill, Walter Johnson, Richard Montgomery, Walt Whitman and Thomas S. Wootton—are among the top 20 highest performing schools in the region. Two recently opened MCPS high schools, Clarksburg and Northwood, are not included in the list this year. Here are the rankings of the eligible MCPS high schools.Bethesda-Chevy Chase: 5 Montgomery Blair: 44 James Hubert Blake: 58 Winston Churchill: 9 Damascus: 77 Albert Einstein: 49 Gaithersburg: 82 Walter Johnson: 14 John F. Kennedy: 74 Col. Zadok Magruder: 66 Richard Montgomery: 2 Northwest: 70 Paint Branch: 52 Poolesville: 48 Quince Orchard: 46 Rockville: 34 Seneca Valley: 78 Sherwood: 59 Springbrook: 51 Thomas S. Wootton: 4 Walt Whitman: 12 Watkins Mill: 61 Wheaton: 83 Earlier this year, Newsweek magazine named six Montgomery County public high schools in the top 100 high schools in the nation—more than any other school district in the United States. The Newsweek rankings are based on the Challenge Index developed by The Washington Post.State Public School System Ranked Best in U.S. by 2 ReportsA six-year Maryland effort to spend billions of dollars more on public education has led to major performance gains that have helped make the state's schools the best in the country, according to a pair of independent reports released yesterday...Same thing goes for the universities. On top of the ones already listed UMES is one of the best minority schools, Loyola is #1 on the US News' "Best Masters Universities" list, and UMBC is one of the top 5 "Up and Coming" schools.For all the non-believers:http://www.gov.state.md.us/brac/docu...tFactSheet.pdfWealthiest. Best Educated. Most Diverse. -> Best StateCase Closed.Maryland is a small, liberal (EVERY local/state elected official is a Dem. as well as both Sens. and 7/8 Reps.), Northeastern state. Virginia is a large, conservative (even the Dems), Southern state. It's comparing apples and oranges. It's rare you meet somebody that likes both sides of the Potomac. Arlington is really the only place in NoVa that resembles anyplace in MD.btw Those FBI crime statistics seem very "interesting." For instance, New Mexico and Oklahoma with murder rates higher than New York. Isn't the FBI always repeating its discalimer about not taking it stats at face value. Baltimore is still a place you'll want to navigate very carefully, and while the vast majority of PG County is safe you still want to lock your doors and windows at nights in some neighbourhoods near DC. But Richmond and Norfolk (and even Va. Beach) are definitely not the "friendliest" of cities either, with more than their fair share of crime.

[hj2500]

Its great that Maryland was able to increase its school rankings by certain publications with only 6 billion over several years, but Virginia also ranked number 4 without a major game plan. Northern Virginia schools are topping national rankings despite overcrowding and lack of funds from the Confederates in Richmond. UMBC is an up and comer but George Mason is ranked number 1 up and comer. Maryland or just its DC suburbs are not wealthier, more educated, safer, and more diverse than Northern Virginia. That, along with the shopping and monuments, is the difference between the Maryland Suburbs and the VA Suburbs.

This thread is not about Maryland and Virginia as a whole, people in either state probably think theirs is the best. Most people would pick California, Hawaii, or Florida as the best state. New Jersey also ranks at the top of household income, educational attainment, and diversity, but how many people from that state love it let alone people from all over the U.S.? As for the rest of the world:

http://www.statebrandsindex.com/docs/SBI_2006.pdf
How The World sees The States, 2006 Anholt State Brand Index
1 California
7 Virginia
23 Maryland
50 New Jersey

[terp4ever]

Originally Posted by hj2500

Its great that Maryland was able to increase its school rankings by certain publications with only 6 billion over several years, but Virginia also ranked number 4 without a major game plan. Northern Virginia schools are topping national rankings despite overcrowding and lack of funds from the Confederates in Richmond. UMBC is an up and comer but George Mason is ranked number 1 up and comer. Maryland or just its DC suburbs are not wealthier, more educated, safer, and more diverse than Northern Virginia. That, along with the shopping and monuments, is the difference between the Maryland Suburbs and the VA Suburbs.

This thread is not about Maryland and Virginia as a whole, people in either state probably think theirs is the best. Most people would pick California, Hawaii, or Florida as the best state. New Jersey also ranks at the top of household income, educational attainment, and diversity, but how many people from that state love it let alone people from all over the U.S.? As for the rest of the world:

http://www.statebrandsindex.com/docs/SBI_2006.pdf
How The World sees The States, 2006 Anholt State Brand Index
1 California
7 Virginia
23 Maryland
50 New Jersey

I agreed with you until the second to last sentence of the first para. The difference between the two suburbs is minute, but Maryland residents are better educated. Bethesda is the "most educated city in America" with just under 50% of the residents having a doctorate, and if you read the link I posted, Maryland has more schools in the top 100 Challenge Index than VA. New Jersey is also second in median household income, and has been for the past three years in which time Maryland has been first, not that it really matters anyway.

There is no way VA is more diverse than MD, whether comparing DC suburbs or the entire states. Even in the "diverse" areas of Virginia the communities are divided by race. Truly "divers" communities would be College Park, Silver Spring, Germantown etc. Asians are the largest minority in MoCo, followed by Hispanics, and then Blacks. Even "rural" Charles and Calvert Counties are diverse. The only area of Maryland that is not diverse is Western Maryland, Washington, Alleghany, and Garret counties, which most Marylanders forget exists or think its part of Pennsylvania or West Va.

Interesting state "brand" list. In all honesty, I'm surprised Maryland wasn't placed lower (somewhere near NJ), since 90% of comments about MD, particularly from conservatives and Southerners, seem to be negative (and usually unfounded). Unforunately, instead of wealth or education, in which it tops nearly every list, Maryland is now almost synonomous with taxes and illegal immigration.

[JEB77]

Originally Posted by terp4ever

There is no way VA is more diverse than MD, whether comparing DC suburbs or the entire states. Even in the "diverse" areas of Virginia the communities are divided by race. Truly "divers" communities would be College Park, Silver Spring, Germantown etc. Asians are the largest minority in MoCo, followed by Hispanics, and then Blacks. Even "rural" Charles and Calvert Counties are diverse. The only area of Maryland that is not diverse is Western Maryland, Washington, Alleghany, and Garret counties, which most Marylanders forget exists or think its part of Pennsylvania or West Va.

I'd love for you to provide some statistics to back up the assertion that the MD suburbs of DC are more diverse than the Virginia suburbs. The MD suburbs clearly have more African-Americans than the Virginia suburbs. Both have growing Hispanic and Asian populations. There definitely are more Koreans and Vietnamese in NoVa than in Maryland. I think there are far more Middle Easteners in NoVa than in suburban Maryland.

And, even if the Maryland suburbs in total are more diverse than the NoVa suburbs - which I doubt - that diversity is concentrated in certain parts of the county. There is a much bigger division between the affluent and struggling populations in MD than in VA. If you doubt this, check the demographic information for the Montgomery schools. Some have very few minority students; others have few Asians and fewer Whites. There is much more of a balance in the NoVa schools - which outperform the MD schools on both SATs and the recent US News & World Report rankings. You can have Jay Matthews and his Challenge Index.

[$mk8795]

Originally Posted by JEB77

I'd love for you to provide some statistics to back up the assertion that the MD suburbs of DC are more diverse than the Virginia suburbs. The MD suburbs clearly have more African-Americans than the Virginia suburbs. Both have growing Hispanic and Asian populations. There definitely are more Koreans and Vietnamese in NoVa than in Maryland. I think there are far more Middle Easteners in NoVa than in suburban Maryland.

And, even if the Maryland suburbs in total are more diverse than the NoVa suburbs - which I doubt - that diversity is concentrated in certain parts of the county. There is a much bigger division between the affluent and struggling populations in MD than in VA. If you doubt this, check the demographic information for the Montgomery schools. Some have very few minority students; others have few Asians and fewer Whites. There is much more of a balance in the NoVa schools - which outperform the MD schools on both SATs and the recent US News & World Report rankings. You can have Jay Matthews and his Challenge Index.

Wow another one of those Country Hick Good Ol' Boys talking trash about Maryland........

Anyways, if I'm not mistaken isn't two Counties in Northern Virginia trying to Push Immigrants out of the Region through Racial Profiling Laws of Harassing non-Document Immigrants................

[terp4ever]

Originally Posted by JEB77

I'd love for you to provide some statistics to back up the assertion that the MD suburbs of DC are more diverse than the Virginia suburbs. The MD suburbs clearly have more African-Americans than the Virginia suburbs. Both have growing Hispanic and Asian populations. There definitely are more Koreans and Vietnamese in NoVa than in Maryland. I think there are far more Middle Easteners in NoVa than in suburban Maryland.

And, even if the Maryland suburbs in total are more diverse than the NoVa suburbs - which I doubt - that diversity is concentrated in certain parts of the county. There is a much bigger division between the affluent and struggling populations in MD than in VA. If you doubt this, check the demographic information for the Montgomery schools. Some have very few minority students; others have few Asians and fewer Whites. There is much more of a balance in the NoVa schools - which outperform the MD schools on both SATs and the recent US News & World Report rankings. You can have Jay Matthews and his Challenge Index.

This is really getting repetitive. Please read:
State Public School System Ranked Best in U.S. by 2 Reports - washingtonpost.com

It's not just Mr. Matthews. I will concede the fact that VA's SAT scores are slightly better (by only four spots in the state by state rankings) than MD's.

Okay Fairfax vs. Montgomery--the largest and second wealthiest counties in each state (Loudon and Howard are wealthier respectively)

(Data from CB)

MoCo:
Total pop.-930,813
White-506,315 ~54%
Black-148,772 ~15%
Hispanic-133,387 ~14%
Asian-124,144 ~13%

only half white, and minorities practically even

Ffx:
Total pop.-1,010,241
White-598,745 ~59%
Black-93,919 ~9%
Hispanic-137,183 ~13%
Asian-157,594 ~16%

As for Virginia being a larger "hub" for Asians. 5% of MD's residents are Asian vs. 4.8% for VA.

[JEB77]

Originally Posted by terp4ever

This is really getting repetitive. Please read:
State Public School System Ranked Best in U.S. by 2 Reports - washingtonpost.com

It's not just Mr. Matthews. I will concede the fact that VA's SAT scores are slightly better (by only four spots in the state by state rankings) than MD's.

Okay Fairfax vs. Montgomery--the largest and second wealthiest counties in each state (Loudon and Howard are wealthier respectively)

(Data from CB)

MoCo:
Total pop.-930,813
White-506,315 ~54%
Black-148,772 ~15%
Hispanic-133,387 ~14%
Asian-124,144 ~13%

only half white, and minorities practically even

Ffx:
Total pop.-1,010,241
White-598,745 ~59%
Black-93,919 ~9%
Hispanic-137,183 ~13%
Asian-157,594 ~16%

As for Virginia being a larger "hub" for Asians. 5% of MD's residents are Asian vs. 4.8% for VA.

It's telling (and apparently reflective of the mindset of many Maryland partisans) that you manipulate your data by excluding PG altogether to support your hypothesis that the Maryland suburbs of DC are more diverse than their Virginia counterparts. And the data that you do provide indicates that there are now more Whites, Hispanics and Asians living in Fairfax than in Montgomery.

But thanks for acknowledging that Fairfax students are outpacing Montgomery students on SATs. That wasn't so hard, was it?