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Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3
Novael, okay, here’s a quick response to your aforementioned question above about money and class! Well, money is just one component that describes class and defines class level. I've mentioned earlier yes, a poor person can move up in class, but a person born into a higher class cannot move down in class. Money is a large component of class, but I stressed there are a number of other components, that also go along with money to help solidify and define your class. If your grandparents are or were very well educated, then most likely so are your parents and there are certain customs and traditions, that come with generations of well educated people. Again I’m giving that as one example and saying that money is not the single determinant socially of who's "upper class" and who is not upper class. I mean do you consider Jay Z to be "upper class"?? Surly one wouldn’t deny he has a large amount wealth, but I’m sure no one would consider him “upper class.” Yes, the fact is he is rich or wealthy, but that doesn’t mean it has bought him any class. He still has poor grammar and on occasion extremely poor taste in dress and may lack some basic dinning social graces, that other have. This is my point money doesn’t determine your class unless you accept the traditions and social norms of that particular class. Hell, Rosanne Barr is rich, but would you consider her classy?
On to your next set of rebuttals I think we are in the same ball park here. You've merely restated most of what I’ve said about why I think most of those people choose not to live in PG.
Novael, on to your next question there only like 30-35 million black people in this country. 2 million are in jail and 10 million live under the poverty line. The rest are working poor, middle class, and small portions are upper middle and an even smaller portion is wealthy. The upper middle and wealthy live all over this country, so yes, it would be nice if PG became the place were "all" this upper class blacks decided to live, but I do not think there needs to be a place. I think it’s better if we are all spread out as opposed to one place. I do not see a legitimate argument in favor of creating a single black mecca. I mean why do you we need that and how would that serve the greater community?
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In terms of class, we are talking semantics. There is class as defined by money, worth, etc (economic class). and there is class defined by one's station in life, status, or how one acts (social class). I mean, if a person is defined as middle-class, are you saying they don't act like they are rich, but don't act trashy either. Middle-class is specifically an income/wealth designation. Paris Hilton is not upper-class per your usage of the word. Jay-Z is either upper-class or rich (depending on where he sits in the wealth distribution of this county), but may be low class in manner, or the image he projects. My apologies for not clearly defining my position. I was refering specifically to economic class. Regardless of how one acts, if they make 1mil+ per year, they are defined as upper-class. They may be low class individuals, but the IRS only looks at the tax returns (if they file them).
Let me again clarify my position. I don't believe PGC should be THE black mecca. I myself choose to live in a diverse area, but I don't discount those that want to live in a homogenous area with people of like incomes, values, etc. It is vital for blacks to be integrated in all parts of society and areas. I am not for segragation, but if PGC were to become a place where middle-class and upper-class blacks want to live, great! Ultimately, the reasons that PGC is not this "mecca" are the real issues we should be tackling; poor education system, crime. As you stated, 1/3 of black people live below the poverty line. We definitely need to find solutions for that. We are on the same page.
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