Prince George's County (purchase, school, gated)

[fishfister]

Originally Posted by ToughLuv

The amount of racism and ignorance in this thread is disturbing and disgusting. But that's what you usually get when you have a bunch of White people talking about PG County, not suprisingly.

The sad part of your observation is a surprising amount of these hate-mongers are black and critical of their own kind.

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by fishfister

The sad part of your observation is a surprising amount of these hate-mongers are black and critical of their own kind.

I've been following this thread as well as the 100 Wealthiest Counties... thread.

I find it disturbing that, for the most part, all those who love PG county want it to have a better reputation, but instead of working together as a community, it appears the AAs on this thread, as you've stated, are acting out their frustrations against their own culture. Makes no sense??

I am curious as to how involved these posters are within the community. Do they attend town hall meetings, write letters to the city manager or call to complain to the governor or mayor? Have they attempted to pool toghether other like-minded residents to help "change" the county for the better...regardless of the resident's race?

Anyway, seems like a lot of hot air is being blown but no real solutions are being discussed.

Here's a challenge: Focus on what you have in common with someone as opposed to highlighting what you feel a particular poster is, i.e, racists, ignorant, etc.

[fishfister]

Originally Posted by Jaded

I've been following this thread as well as the 100 Wealthiest Counties... thread.

I find it disturbing that, for the most part, all those who love PG county want it to have a better reputation, but instead of working together as a community, it appears the AAs on this thread, as you've stated, are acting out their frustrations against their own culture. Makes no sense??

I am curious as to how involved these posters are within the community. Do they attend town hall meetings, write letters to the city manager or call to complain to the governor or mayor? Have they attempted to pool toghether other like-minded residents to help "change" the county for the better...regardless of the resident's race?

Anyway, seems like a lot of hot air is being blown but no real solutions are being discussed.

Here's a challenge: Focus on what you have in common with someone as opposed to highlighting what you feel a particular poster is, i.e, racists, ignorant, etc.

Agreed.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by fishfister

The sad part of your observation is a surprising amount of these hate-mongers are black and critical of their own kind.

I hope this is not a reference to me. I love my own kind and am constantly uplifting them and holding them out to the world to be modeled.

My own kind=
Devout
Well educated
Financially successful and responsible
Focused on asset accumulation
Solid believers in the family and actively supporting their family
Responsible and law abiding members of the community
Minimal debt levels
Successfully preparing for retirement so they can continue to enjoy the good life
Ability to retire early
Beautifully maintained residences (yes perhaps a vacation home).
Have successful Children with all of the above

I do hope if you meant me (not that I think you did) you realize that for myself and perhaps many others in this forum this is our own kind.
If you did mean me did you have something else in mind?
Who did you mean and what did you have in mind for them?

Most fish seek a like school to swim with and that includes most of the posters in this forum.

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

I hope this is not a reference to me. I love my own kind and am constantly uplifting them and holding them out to the world to be modeled.

My own kind=
Devout
Well educated
Financially successful and responsible
Focused on asset accumulation
Solid believers in the family and actively supporting their family
Responsible and law abiding members of the community
Minimal debt levels
Successfully preparing for retirement so they can continue to enjoy the good life
Ability to retire early
Beautifully maintained residences (yes perhaps a vacation home).
Have successful Children with all of the above

I do hope if you meant me (not that I think you did) you realize that for myself and perhaps many others in this forum this is our own kind.
If you did mean me did you have something else in mind?
Who did you mean and what did you have in mind for them?

Most fish seek a like school to swim with and that includes most of the posters in this forum.

Well said Tuborg. Honestly, what was previously said by Fish and the last two Random posters to me qualifies as some of the most racist stuff i have ever heard.

It is so funny how this "culture" stuff works in relation to black people. All of a sudden we are put down if we decide not to be educated, not to have proper family structures, do not have respect for ourselves and others, if we commit large amounts of crime, if act black (whatever that means), if we are poor, if we are shiftfless lazy and not motivated.

However, when these "liberals" and other non-educated blacks encounter blacks that are fiscally responsible, sick of crime, well educated, financial stable, come from two parent households (and are dam proud of it), do not celebrate "thug or militant culture", do not practice self loathing, do not feel disadvantaged, because of their skin color, do all the things they are supposed to to accomplish the American Dream and all of the things you mentioned in your post we are still supposed to feel bad about somethign?

Clearly the racism within those posters post is exactly why I have never trusted a liberal white and I see how a large number of liberal blacks are blind and basically not really concerned with uplifting their race.

Basically as my father once told me "Son, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, so you always have to do the right thing, because even when you do the right things they'll try to tell it's wrong." He always said the black one's would be the worst about steering you in the wrong direction, but the white one's would be right their along side cheering the destructive ones on.

It is really sad, that people including blacks feel they come from some monolithic culture and that since we are all the same color we should

1. Think a like
2. Vote a like
3. Have the same issues

Well, sorry to say. No one in my family is on welfar (not an issue i go to the polls thinking about) No one in my family is strung out on drugs or to my knowledge selling drugs (not an issue i go to the polls thinking about). No one in my family is getting denied college admission, because of the color of their skin (not an issue i go to the polls thinking about).

Issues I do care about taxing of the middle and upper classes. White collar job creation. Access to better education for all, which to me means tearing down the current political structures that favor teachers unions and lobbyist, that have no problem with providing poor children rurual and inner city with awful educations. Issues I care about are how will America prepare its next generation to compete in the world global. Issues I care about are we training enough of our young Americans black,white, and asian to compete in a high tech world. Issues, i care about is the lack of American's in the sciences (on a more localized base the lack of blacks in the sciences). Issues I care about are laws that make it more profitable for a citizen of this country not to work and remain on government hand-outs. Issues I care about are law makers who decide it is ok to be weak on crime in high crime areas, simply because they do not want to loose their voting base. In the end they only help to destroy those neighborhoods by allowing these criminals to roam free terrorizing innoncent people. Issues I care about are providing poorer children with adequate early learnings and giving them the right to school choice. Issues I care about are creating a system that favors marriage over fatherless households, that rely on the government as some sort of paternalistic system. These are all Issues, i care about that do not affect/in my daily life, but affect the country and to me creating systems that invest more money into programs that will teach the poor a skill are much more vaible to their economic stability then free-handouts, supporting bad culture (which does not equate to black cutlure), and rallying behind doing the right thing for all people in society.

Racism is not a hot button issue to me just because i'm black. My parents taught me well, that the best way to fight racism is to be an extremely educated young man. While i may not win all the battles in the end i will have definitely won the war.

Fish you're clearly a racist. You would rather blacks just like the person you agreed with support truancy, support this "thug culture" that sadly to say young black teenagers accept as if it's a badge of honor and a symbol of thier black culture. You love that, because like Tuborg, Iscalder, RFMD, and myself we all know that's the quick road to jail, failure, and lack of success for these young men. Isn't that odd you would support such foolishness, but claim the people that are offering the best solutions and best advice to these young people are some how race traitors?

The funny thing is this kind of stuff has been going on for years. We have always had Blacks, that support bad black behavoir, because sadly to say whether willingly or not they support failure. These blacks usually have a strong following amongst whites who for political purposes nothing more say they truly care for these individuals, which obvious they do not. Then they throw awful insults at the Blacks, that are telling the othes the right things to do to be successful. It is honestly I dam shame. The funny thing is the whites who want to see blacks successful are often labled racist (now some of them are), but a lot of conservative whites i've known want to see the overall race do well, because it means a lot to the American country to have all races prosper for the greater good.

On a side note does anyone else find it funny that the so called "Liberals" are the one's attacking Obama's race in this current election? He's never made it a big deal that he's black, but that he's the best candidate for the following reasons etc, but somehow white liberals like Hilary and Edwards cannot seem to get past the fact that he's black does this not tell anyone anything?????? All of these years blacks have been complaining about conservative racism, but have been sleeping in bed with the true enemy. However, I do want to keep this a bit bi-partisan as in reality I do not think either political party gives a dam about the poor. The democrates do not give a dam about their minority poor voting base no more than the Republicans give a dam about thier white poor voting base. The only thing the parties do well is helping out the elite of each groups.

[RFMD]

TH You can be very insulting, condescending and arrogant with your posts.

Because you are not in agreement with someone they are conveniently labeled racist, liberal ,black militant and all the other republican rhetoric that you have learned?

Random poster? Are you the master of ceremony of this forum? Because you can't engage in intellectual/elitism masturbation with another poster you have to fling your labels?

I can play this game called life and still maintain my identity as a hip hop listening growing up in the hood AA.

Howsitgoingdude: Before you move to MA make sure you bring your brownie points from NY so those Irish people don't feel you are a threat to them.

[TuborgP]

This is good stuff, very good stuff. It is helping to shred the myth that Black Folk are a monolithic group marching to the same beat. We are like all peoples unique individuals with indentities that transcend race and stereotyping. We like all people who have some who are the best of and some who are the worst of. I am glad to see young people highlighting their intellect and academic prowness. May we have more of it and may each generation be able to enlighten the world how gifted we can be.

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by RFMD

TH You can be very insulting, condescending and arrogant with your posts.

Because you are not in agreement with someone they are conveniently labeled racist, liberal ,black militant and all the other republican rhetoric that you have learned?

Random poster? Are you the master of ceremony of this forum? Because you can't engage in intellectual/elitism masturbation with another poster you have to fling your labels?

I can play this game called life and still maintain my identity as a hip hop listening growing up in the hood AA.

Howsitgoingdude: Before you move to MA make sure you bring your brownie points from NY so those Irish people don't feel you are a threat to them.

Sorry, if you find my post to be insulting sometimes honesty,truth, and accepting fact can come off as in insulting.

I am labeling racist, liberals, and black militants as such, because they are not because of "republican rhetoric." I'm sorry, but considering republicans have increased the size of the government, decreased the rights and freedoms of american citizens, and continue to parade around social issues the government nor politicans have any business sticking their noses in i'd say i'm far from what is considerd a modern day republican.

My conservative principles are founded on the basis of conservative greats like Barry Goldwater, Booker T. Washington, Nannie Helen Burroughs, and too many others to name.

People who believed government should be limited in their power and that the rights and freedoms of citizens are paramount in creating a strong republic. These people also valued the rights and freedom of choice in accepting responsibility for oneself and taking the steps neccesary to improve "your lot in life." Making the right choices in life, so that they can properly care for themselves and are not burdens to the rest of society at large.

Sure over the years i've picked up a few of today's modern day republican values, such as fiscal responsibility, tough on crime, and I believe in a strong defense to protect US citizens from worldwide global threats. However, I stand in staunch opposition of the current welfare state, which includes but not limited to Social Security Benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, and Wellfare transfer payments.

Not sure why you find it offensive. I have not said anything is wrong with you celebrating hip-hop and being from the hood as it relates to you. Just remember your life and experiences are not mine, so yes, i do have a problem when i hear other blacks act as if their experiences in life are somehow indicative of other black peoples experience.

Look I do not find it particularly appealing for grown 30 year old men to wear their pants hanging down around their ankles as acceptable behavoir. Nor do I celebrate or define hip-hop culture as being genuinly black or some defacto authentic black culture. My celebration of my culture is strictly based on those that have come before and made the best of their situations in the most trying of times. Those that have maintained postive family structures, work-ethics, and willingness to improve themselves academically. To me that is my black culture. People like A.G Gaston, Black High School Students that attended Dunbar High School in Washginton DC in the early 1900's and most of whom went on to Ivy League Schools, Booker T. Washington who envisioned the best way for blacks to attain jobs and move into American society was to first start with a viable technical skill. I celebrate the accomplishments of people like Bob Johnson, Oprah Winfrey, and the many hardworking black doctors, lawyers, judges, and highly ranking political appointes like Condi Rice and Colin Powell above some lower class hoods that got lucky, because they realized it is extremely profitable to help destroy black culture through music, more so than lift it up.

In closing the way you define "black culture" is clearly not the way i define it. To me black culture is based on the merits of successful people, that with little help from government or outside forces took it upon themselves to make the right choices from an early start. Not only where they smart people, but also good people with positive values. To me that is black culture.

Feel free to have your Jay'z, 50 Cents, and celebrate music that glorifies the genocide of your own people since you're from the "hood." Have it love and cherish it, if that's what makes you feel good, but never ever attempt to equate or impose that sort of culture on an entire group of people. It's offensive!

[The_Fairfaxian]

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Fish you're clearly a racist. You would rather blacks just like the person you agreed with support truancy, support this "thug culture" that sadly to say young black teenagers accept as if it's a badge of honor and a symbol of thier black culture. You love that, because like Tuborg, Iscalder, RFMD, and myself we all know that's the quick road to jail, failure, and lack of success for these young men. Isn't that odd you would support such foolishness, but claim the people that are offering the best solutions and best advice to these young people are some how race traitors?

The funny thing is this kind of stuff has been going on for years. We have always had Blacks, that support bad black behavoir, because sadly to say whether willingly or not they support failure. These blacks usually have a strong following amongst whites who for political purposes nothing more say they truly care for these individuals, which obvious they do not. Then they throw awful insults at the Blacks, that are telling the othes the right things to do to be successful. It is honestly I dam shame. The funny thing is the whites who want to see blacks successful are often labled racist (now some of them are), but a lot of conservative whites i've known want to see the overall race do well, because it means a lot to the American country to have all races prosper for the greater good.

On a side note does anyone else find it funny that the so called "Liberals" are the one's attacking Obama's race in this current election? He's never made it a big deal that he's black, but that he's the best candidate for the following reasons etc, but somehow white liberals like Hilary and Bill cannot seem to get past the fact that he's black does this not tell anyone anything?????? All of these years blacks have been complaining about conservative racism, but have been sleeping in bed with the true enemy. However, I do want to keep this a bit bi-partisan as in reality I do not think either political party gives a dam about the poor. The democrates do not give a dam about their minority poor voting base no more than the Republicans give a dam about thier white poor voting base. The only thing the parties do well is helping out the elite of each groups.

These quotes in bold are things I've experienced quiet frequently in the country and especially this state. Sorry if it seems that I'm once again slamming Maryland, but after noticing how many people from this state (and transplants from the uber-Liberal NY tristate area) who claim to be liberal have an apprehension towards blacks, especially the non-stereotypical ones, I just couldn't help but to concur with the things said here. It's also funny that when I was attending college in Western PA, many of my white friends (who I still talk to this day with) who were a lot less cynical of me not acting black and more accepting of me as a person (probably because of my non-stereotypical black personality) are mostly moderate or conservative republican voters. Things like this just makes me wonder sometimes about the acceptance of minorities by liberals and the true "threat" to minorities from conservatives when you take away the Neo-Dixie and Evangelical Republicans.

[fishfister]

TuborgP - No reference to you at all; you have read this forum enough to know where the reference should be realized.

RFMD - He has seemingly assumed his own voice of authority, hasn't he?

Truth - Continue to sling your New York based racist hate and terminology so we may see what you really are all about. That was quite a show of bigotry you ran off there. There must be something in your heritage you are extremely unhappy with which you cannot purge.

BTW - Why can't "Black culture", as you describe it, be labeled as "American culture"? You are a self proclaimed conservative yet you create a segregated category as the liberals you are so hateful of might.

This is a work of art. You use language as an artist would paint on a canvas.

Fish you're clearly a racist. You would rather blacks just like the person you agreed with support truancy, support this "thug culture" that sadly to say young black teenagers accept as if it's a badge of honor and a symbol of thier black culture. You love that, because like Tuborg, Iscalder, RFMD, and myself we all know that's the quick road to jail, failure, and lack of success for these young men. Isn't that odd you would support such foolishness, but claim the people that are offering the best solutions and best advice to these young people are some how race traitors?

I have never sought out these traits or downfalls in any nor do I condone it whether white, black, Asian, or Hispanic. Where have I done so? I have merely stated that throwing money at the county won't fix things. That incites you as you are all about money.

You are an angry little man that apparently hates the color of his own skin and seeks to place the blame on others. You have admitted to never living in this county - which you are so vocal about - as it is below your standards and means. What puts you above those of us that do so? What makes you think you even have a voice?

On the other hand, I live here. Most of my neighbors are black and none of them have ever come across as the racist you are. I am friends with them and know more about them than you probably know of your own neighbors.

Thinking about it, there are 2 other white families on my block. None of us are any more forthright about the problems in the area than our black neighbors. Our local community meetings might shock you, bro.

You lose control of your grammar when you are heated - check it.