Prince George's County (Annapolis, Deale, Mayo: employment, private school, taxes)

[lscalder]

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Sorry, if you find my post to be insulting sometimes honesty,truth, and accepting fact can come off as in insulting.

I am labeling racist, liberals, and black militants as such, because they are not because of "republican rhetoric." I'm sorry, but considering republicans have increased the size of the government, decreased the rights and freedoms of american citizens, and continue to parade around social issues the government nor politicans have any business sticking their noses in i'd say i'm far from what is considerd a modern day republican.

My conservative principles are founded on the basis of conservative greats like Barry Goldwater, Booker T. Washington, Nannie Helen Burroughs, and too many others to name.

People who believed government should be limited in their power and that the rights and freedoms of citizens are paramount in creating a strong republic. These people also valued the rights and freedom of choice in accepting responsibility for oneself and taking the steps neccesary to improve "your lot in life." Making the right choices in life, so that they can properly care for themselves and are not burdens to the rest of society at large.

Sure over the years i've picked up a few of today's modern day republican values, such as fiscal responsibility, tough on crime, and I believe in a strong defense to protect US citizens from worldwide global threats. However, I stand in staunch opposition of the current welfare state, which includes but not limited to Social Security Benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, and Wellfare transfer payments.

Not sure why you find it offensive. I have not said anything is wrong with you celebrating hip-hop and being from the hood as it relates to you. Just remember your life and experiences are not mine, so yes, i do have a problem when i hear other blacks act as if their experiences in life are somehow indicative of other black peoples experience.

Look I do not find it particularly appealing for grown 30 year old men to wear their pants hanging down around their ankles as acceptable behavoir. Nor do I celebrate or define hip-hop culture as being genuinly black or some defacto authentic black culture. My celebration of my culture is strictly based on those that have come before and made the best of their situations in the most trying of times. Those that have maintained postive family structures, work-ethics, and willingness to improve themselves academically. To me that is my black culture. People like A.G Gaston, Black High School Students that attended Dunbar High School in Washginton DC in the early 1900's and most of whom went on to Ivy League Schools, Booker T. Washington who envisioned the best way for blacks to attain jobs and move into American society was to first start with a viable technical skill. I celebrate the accomplishments of people like Bob Johnson, Oprah Winfrey, and the many hardworking black doctors, lawyers, judges, and highly ranking political appointes like Condi Rice and Colin Powell above some lower class hoods that got lucky, because they realized it is extremely profitable to help destroy black culture through music, more so than lift it up.

In closing the way you define "black culture" is clearly not the way i define it. To me black culture is based on the merits of successful people, that with little help from government or outside forces took it upon themselves to make the right choices from an early start. Not only where they smart people, but also good people with positive values. To me that is black culture.

Feel free to have your Jay'z, 50 Cents, and celebrate music that glorifies the genocide of your own people since you're from the "hood." Have it love and cherish it, if that's what makes you feel good, but never ever attempt to equate or impose that sort of culture on an entire group of people. It's offensive!

Truthhurts: I do sometimes find myself agreeing with you but I hate it when you mention Black Millitant. I just hate that word. As far as Hip hop goes I do listen to hip hop. I love Hip Hop. Whites are the ones who are supporting these rap artist not the Black culture. At any rap concert whites make up more then half of the crowd and 70% of the rap music that is purchase today is purchase by whites so Blacks only purchase about 10% of rap music. As far as the rap movement goes I listen to it but I refuse to let it control my household. I can listen to anything because I am so open mineded to everything

I hate labels. I hate that we have to choose amoung religion,race,parties such as demoract,republican. The reason I mention these things because if we did not have to choose the world would not have been so divide as it is today. I am so off topic but why do we have to choose a religion. I do not have a religion,political party. I question religion and poilitical party as religion is to be accepted and not question. I love all religion. I am gettign isck of liberals,republicans and democrats.

I hate it when people say Blacks vote for the same set of people each election but so do white republicans. I can not believe McCain and Romney is leading when the Republicans have one of the most honest politican running which is Ron Paul. I love this man. He speaks the truth. He thinks outside the box. He tells Americans what we need to hear not what he thinks he want us to hear like McCain and Romney these two reminds me of George bush jr all over again. Hillary I use to like her but I hate it when you think Blacks are good enough to vote for you but not good enough to become the President. Her and her husband **** me off.
I love Obama that man is brilliant. When he gives a speech it make me cry. He do remind me of a great leader. He is very commanding,when he speaks people listen. He does not have to yell or raise his voice. Great man.

Now I am stuck on who to vote for Obama or Ron Paul. I tell my husband if he vote for Hillary no dinner.

Truthhurts: Not all Black or whites vote fo rthe same party or the same person all over again. I also hate the baggy pants look. I do not understand why these parent regardless of race because i have seen plenty of white teenagers wearing baggy jeans as well as Hispanics youth but its disgusting. Why would parents allow their child to follow such fashion that was created from the jail system.

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

I hope this is not a reference to me. I love my own kind and am constantly uplifting them and holding them out to the world to be modeled.

My own kind=
Devout
Well educated
Financially successful and responsible
Focused on asset accumulation
Solid believers in the family and actively supporting their family
Responsible and law abiding members of the community
Minimal debt levels
Successfully preparing for retirement so they can continue to enjoy the good life
Ability to retire early
Beautifully maintained residences (yes perhaps a vacation home).
Have successful Children with all of the above

I do hope if you meant me (not that I think you did) you realize that for myself and perhaps many others in this forum this is our own kind.
If you did mean me did you have something else in mind?
Who did you mean and what did you have in mind for them?

Most fish seek a like school to swim with and that includes most of the posters in this forum.

TuborgP you have issues! This is some of the worst rambling of an elitist that I've ever read. So, you know for a fact that all of "your kind" can retire early, have vacation homes, minimal debt?? What does this have to do with enjoying a friendship with those who may not stack up to your self-righteous standards?

People have a right to be who they want to be, period. If you feel like you cannot socialize with people you feel are inferior, based upon your above list, then you, not they, are the problem.

This is just sick. Over half of your list pertains to material items. How superficial and arrogant. No wonder you have so much time to write on this forum, you must be lonely, because I cannot imagine you having many true friends with a mind as narrow as yours. You and Truth have a lot in common, but then again, misery loves company and birds of feather do flock together!

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by fishfister

TuborgP - No reference to you at all; you have read this forum enough to know where the reference should be realized.

RFMD - He has seemingly assumed his own voice of authority, hasn't he?

Truth - Continue to sling your New York based racist hate and terminology so we may see what you really are all about. That was quite a show of bigotry you ran off there. There must be something in your heritage you are extremely unhappy with which you cannot purge.

BTW - Why can't "Black culture", as you describe it, be labeled as "American culture"? You are a self proclaimed conservative yet you create a segregated category as the liberals you are so hateful of might.

This is a work of art. You use language as an artist would paint on a canvas.

Fish you're clearly a racist. You would rather blacks just like the person you agreed with support truancy, support this "thug culture" that sadly to say young black teenagers accept as if it's a badge of honor and a symbol of thier black culture. You love that, because like Tuborg, Iscalder, RFMD, and myself we all know that's the quick road to jail, failure, and lack of success for these young men. Isn't that odd you would support such foolishness, but claim the people that are offering the best solutions and best advice to these young people are some how race traitors?

I have never sought out these traits or downfalls in any nor do I condone it whether white, black, Asian, or Hispanic. Where have I done so? I have merely stated that throwing money at the county won't fix things. That incites you as you are all about money.

You are an angry little man that apparently hates the color of his own skin and seeks to place the blame on others. You have admitted to never living in this county - which you are so vocal about - as it is below your standards and means. What puts you above those of us that do so? What makes you think you even have a voice?

On the other hand, I live here. Most of my neighbors are black and none of them have ever come across as the racist you are. I am friends with them and know more about them than you probably know of your own neighbors.

Thinking about it, there are 2 other white families on my block. None of us are any more forthright about the problems in the area than our black neighbors. Our local community meetings might shock you, bro.

You lose control of your grammar when you are heated - check it.

Fish, you are very patient. As an AA, I know that it is very hard for some of "my people" to understand that they can be racist too. It is also hard, at times, for them to turn the finger they are so accustomed to pointing at others towards themselves.

For those of you who like to complain and do nothing:

"You must be the change you want to see in the world" - Ghandi

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by Jaded

TuborgP you have issues! This is some of the worst rambling of an elitist that I've ever read. So, you know for a fact that all of "your kind" can retire early, have vacation homes, minimal debt?? What does this have to do with enjoying a friendship with those who may not stack up to your self-righteous standards?

People have a right to be who they want to be, period. If you feel like you cannot socialize with people you feel are inferior, based upon your above list, then you, not they, are the problem.

This is just sick. Over half of your list pertains to material items. How superficial and arrogant. No wonder you have so much time to write on this forum, you must be lonely, because I cannot imagine you having many true friends with a mind as narrow as yours. You and Truth have a lot in common, but then again, misery loves company and birds of feather do flock together!

Sick=Elitist or Elitist=Sick? Now thats a value judgement. My post was a retort to the statement of their own kind. Not being sure who he meant this was giving him the opportunity to clarify if he meant me. Certainly I have listed goals that we all should aspire to. That does not mean we ignore those who aren't and if you read what I said I encourage and support others to be. If they fall short and have made the effort they have accomplished alot. Should we encourage or want people as their goal to want something less than being of faith with strong family values? To not have fiscal responsibility? To be a financial burden on society in their old age? Do you really want our children to not be well educated? Do you not believe in taking care of your home? Which of those values do you not believe people should aspire to? Please enlighten us. Would you not hold Colin Powell as a model for your children and grand children? This is sick? Egads no wonder our young people have so many issue if this is sick behaviour then what is appropriate and worthwhile seeking?

Should I or any reasonable adult seek to define themselves as the opposite of any of these? Which ones do you seek not to be like so as to avoid appearing or being sick?

[RFMD]

The big mistake you make is to recklessly apply negative labels to everything you are not in agreement with. It's hip hop so its all bad. I don't agree with you so you're liberal.

I grew up with the likes of Run DMC, Whoodini, Kurtis Blow. Lyrics in large part was centered around the realities of life in the hood. It was in large part not destructive glamorizing sex and materialism as it does today. It talked about the hardships living in the hood and trying to escape those hardships. Some of these rap artist are some of the most talented individuals. I don't support the vast majority of hip hop of today as times have changed. I don't allow my children to listen to it. however you still have some artist that are clean with a powerful message that people can relate to and if that is the case I don't mind my children (if they desire) listening to such music. Music is good for the soul and hip hop can certainly capture that desire to want to shake your head to the beat and if it's clean so be it.

I 'am not better than the bus driver, maintenance man, custodian, coal miner and the like. These people keep Capitalism going. I always try to put in perspective the common thread that I have with these people and not label and divide myself from them. That is psychology that the powers that be use today to divide. Can't use overt racism as they did in the past so you use classism. It works just the same.

[TuborgP]

Who is this in response to? I have never discussed music in fact I like some hip hop. I really like early rap but I have little love for the profanity of many contemporary rap artist. I think we are all getting thread mixed up and overlapping posters who might agree with some issus on all issues. The classifications of workers you list can and do aspire to the goals I mentioned. I know any number of people with those jobs who are all of the things I listed. In fact they are often people with true accumulated wealth because they work hard and know to save what they earn. Many a blue collar worker of middle age has a home in ocean city that they purchased years ago. They know how to live within their means and don't need to spend to appear to be affluent and successful in a career that revolves around capital accumulation in corporporate America.
These people are not just critical to capitalism but are part of the core fabric of moral life in our society. It is the Black blue collar worker of the fifties that gave birth to the civil rights movement and the bountiful opportunities we have today. Who in this forum has been critical of people who work hard and support their families and are financially responsible? Who has looked down on those who obey the law. Is there some assumption on somebodies part that these people don't? Not in the post I have been reading. Truth is the one who talks about liberals. I have kept that thought to myself.

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Sick=Elitist or Elitist=Sick? Now thats a value judgement. My post was a retort to the statement of their own kind. Not being sure who he meant this was giving him the opportunity to clarify if he meant me. Certainly I have listed goals that we all should aspire to. That does not mean we ignore those who aren't and if you read what I said I encourage and support others to be. If they fall short and have made the effort they have accomplished alot. Should we encourage or want people as their goal to want something less than being of faith with strong family values? To not have fiscal responsibility? To be a financial burden on society in their old age? Do you really want our children to not be well educated? Do you not believe in taking care of your home? Which of those values do you not believe people should aspire to? Please enlighten us. Would you not hold Colin Powell as a model for your children and grand children? This is sick? Egads no wonder our young people have so many issue if this is sick behaviour then what is appropriate and worthwhile seeking?

Should I or any reasonable adult seek to define themselves as the opposite of any of these? Which ones do you seek not to be like so as to avoid appearing or being sick?

I re-read your post. You should do the same, as well as re-read mine.

I never said that I or anyone should aspire to be anything more or less than what you listed. I said that what you listed was primarily materialistic and shallow. You are the one who needs to clarify what you mean.

My goals are just that, my goals. To push them off onto others is self righteous. When you make statements as you did in your post that I referrenced above, you appear to be self righteous. Everyone is not going to agree with you or aspire to be what you are...plain and simple. And no, that doesn't mean that they are inferior to you or those who aspire to be what you feel they should aspire to be. It means that people are different and should not be belittled for being so. The last time I checked we still live in a free country.

Of course I want our youth to aspire to want to be great things, to add to society instead of taking away, etc. But, you are separating yourself by making the statements of people like me, or "my kind." This is what I mean by sick (as in mentally unstable) and elitist (as in thinking you are somehow better than and above "common people." Re-read what YOU wrote.

I never said that our youth should not have goals and they should waste their lives away. Never said it. I said, "people should be allowed to be who they are, period."

It appears that you and Truth have this "image" that you both feel all black people should aspire to become. And if they don't, then they are relegated to the classes of "thugs," "ignorant," or "financially irresponsible."

What I am saying is take a chill pill. Give people a chance to find their own way...and make mistakes. Heck, we have ALL made mistakes. So what if a teenager wears baggy pants...you know why? Because that same teenager may be a math genius. You don't know that he/she isn't.

There are a lot of styles and images that are popular today that all youth give in to. It is called peer pressure. Most of us can look back at our teenage years and find something to laugh about or be embarrassed about. But we grew up and moved on.

I'm sorry, but you and Truth tend to make judgements and generalizations that are unfounded and biased. Yes, I made a judement statement towards you, but at least I gave you an example of what I was referring to.

My last point. Colin Powell, Condileezza Rice, Ophra Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Will Smith, etc. all can be seen as positive role models, why not give our youth the right and freedom to choose his/her own role model, either from this list or this one: Jay-Z, Beyonce, Ice Cube, Ice T, 50 cent, P Diddy, etc.

Do you understand my point now? Clearly you have a prejudice against those in the latter list. You can be a decent person and look like a thug; You can look like a decent person, and be a thug. Looks are deceiving.

I don't disagree with your list as far as it being personal goals. I disagree with you portraying it as the "standard" for everyone's goals.

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Who is this in response to? I have never discussed music in fact I like some hip hop. I really like early rap but I have little love for the profanity of many contemporary rap artist. I think we are all getting thread mixed up and overlapping posters who might agree with some issus on all issues. The classifications of workers you list can and do aspire to the goals I mentioned. I know any number of people with those jobs who are all of the things I listed. In fact they are often people with true accumulated wealth because they work hard and know to save what they earn. Many a blue collar worker of middle age has a home in ocean city that they purchased years ago. They know how to live within their means and don't need to spend to appear to be affluent and successful in a career that revolves around capital accumulation in corporporate America.
These people are not just critical to capitalism but are part of the core fabric of moral life in our society. It is the Black blue collar worker of the fifties that gave birth to the civil rights movement and the bountiful opportunities we have today. Who in this forum has been critical of people who work hard and support their families and are financially responsible? Who has looked down on those who obey the law. Is there some assumption on somebodies part that these people don't? Not in the post I have been reading. Truth is the one who talks about liberals. I have kept that thought to myself.

Thank you for clarifying your posts. Yes, it did appear in your agreement with some of what Truth has written that you looked down on bus drivers, rap music and the like. This is why I responded the way that I did...my apologies.

[RFMD]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Who is this in response to? I have never discussed music in fact I like some hip hop. I really like early rap but I have little love for the profanity of many contemporary rap artist. I think we are all getting thread mixed up and overlapping posters who might agree with some issus on all issues. The classifications of workers you list can and do aspire to the goals I mentioned. I know any number of people with those jobs who are all of the things I listed. In fact they are often people with true accumulated wealth because they work hard and know to save what they earn. Many a blue collar worker of middle age has a home in ocean city that they purchased years ago. They know how to live within their means and don't need to spend to appear to be affluent and successful in a career that revolves around capital accumulation in corporporate America.
These people are not just critical to capitalism but are part of the core fabric of moral life in our society. It is the Black blue collar worker of the fifties that gave birth to the civil rights movement and the bountiful opportunities we have today. Who in this forum has been critical of people who work hard and support their families and are financially responsible? Who has looked down on those who obey the law. Is there some assumption on somebodies part that these people don't? Not in the post I have been reading. Truth is the one who talks about liberals. I have kept that thought to myself.

This was not meant for you. Even though we may not agree on various topics I respect your diplomacy among the discussion. You can for the most part agree to disagree.

[TuborgP]

Whew thank you I was worried there for a second. I still think for the most part there is considerable agreement. There are challenges and a reasonable dialog is a necessary step. If we redrew borders we would be having a different conversation about counties. Everyone has challenges and positives.