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[RaisedWell]

Originally Posted by live_strong28

Crime is very low in upper NW. What a coincidence. That's where all the whites live.

Statements like this make it obvious that you don't like black people. You mentioned "why did all the white people leave?" Because they act and think like you. I remember when this county had a large white population. They left because they didn't want to live in neighborhoods where well-educated black people could move in next door to them and live better than they did.

You say you love living in Prince Georges. STOP LYING!! If you did, you wouldn't be on here with all of your comments. Either get out, never look back or become somebody working to make a change. Your negative, black-people bashing isn't helping anything. You have a lot of hate in you. Take the fatkid's advice and get a life.

[RaisedWell]

Thanks for all of your information.

Originally Posted by juxtapos

The cost of living is maybe a little lower in Frederick, but not in PW. My parents have been in Dale City for 20 years - I didn't notice my grocery bills sky rocketting when I moved to Alexandria and then from Alexandria to Clinton. From my experience, the cost of living is about the same.

Condos going unsold? Sure anything is hard to move if it's overpriced. I count 49 Fleet Street condos sold of 163 total; 6 of 18 sold at Waterfront Street (all over a million dollars); and, 154 of 242 sold at One National Harbor. So about 1/2 have sold in all which isn't bad in a down market that presold at the peak in 2006. 25 of these units closed in July and August, so that doesn't seem too bad either. (source: SDAT)

But that doesn't take away from million dollar condos being sold in a stigmatized area like Oxon Hill. My point is the county-wide and area stigma is lessening.

Definitely we need more white collar jobs in PG. But it's tough to get businesses or corporate headquarters here without having the professional residents in the area first. I wrote the county and NH operations to lure an intellectual property law firm or two from DC or Alexandria to NH because there are no IP law firms in south county. Something has to give because this disparity is ridiculous.

PW is doing ok having lots of white collar professionals commute to work in DC, so PG should do a better job of getting professionals to live here instead of PW. Come on, PG needs more higher income residents to lessen the percentage tax burden on everyone and to raise the average household income to be more on par with other beltway jurisdictions.

Yeah we agree on the resident-based tax revenue problem. But even this is changing. Gaylord National is assessed at $650 million - it pays property taxes equal to about 2000 average homes. That helps us quite a bit, and that doesn't even include the rest of NH.

(just an example, see attached. This illustrates one of many places just three miles outside the beltway still undeveloped in 2004. These were the first big homes built in the area, so yes we need more higher income residents in PG...and yes that neighborhood is 95%+ black).

[live_strong28]

Originally Posted by juxtapos

The cost of living is maybe a little lower in Frederick, but not in PW. My parents have been in Dale City for 20 years - I didn't notice my grocery bills sky rocketting when I moved to Alexandria and then from Alexandria to Clinton. From my experience, the cost of living is about the same.

I can't argue too much about Frederick or PW cty.....but relatively speaking, FFX Cty residents get much more bang for their buck with taxes than PG Cty residents.

Originally Posted by juxtapos

Condos going unsold? Sure anything is hard to move if it's overpriced. I count 49 Fleet Street condos sold of 163 total; 6 of 18 sold at Waterfront Street (all over a million dollars); and, 154 of 242 sold at One National Harbor. So about 1/2 have sold in all which isn't bad in a down market that presold at the peak in 2006. 25 of these units closed in July and August, so that doesn't seem too bad either. (source: SDAT)

But that doesn't take away from million dollar condos being sold in a stigmatized area like Oxon Hill. My point is the county-wide and area stigma is lessening.

Most people who are probably buying those condos are either singles or have no kids. NH seems like a hip place to live, if you can deal with all those chain restaurants, but NH itself kind of distances itself from PG. It's in Oxon Hill, but you'd be hard pressed to find any mention/association with Oxon Hill PG Cty and hardly any black people in their website.

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Originally Posted by juxtapos

Definitely we need more white collar jobs in PG. But it's tough to get businesses or corporate headquarters here without having the professional residents in the area first. I wrote the county and NH operations to lure an intellectual property law firm or two from DC or Alexandria to NH because there are no IP law firms in south county. Something has to give because this disparity is ridiculous.

PW is doing ok having lots of white collar professionals commute to work in DC, so PG should do a better job of getting professionals to live here instead of PW. Come on, PG needs more higher income residents to lessen the percentage tax burden on everyone and to raise the average household income to be more on par with other beltway jurisdictions.

A lot of PW residents work in the Tysons and Fairfax area. Also, the VRE extends into PW Cty.

Why would higher income people want to come to PG Cty to pay high taxes and have substandard services, no high end retail, and inefficent government?

Originally Posted by juxtapos

Yeah we agree on the resident-based tax revenue problem. But even this is changing. Gaylord National is assessed at $650 million - it pays property taxes equal to about 2000 average homes. That helps us quite a bit, and that doesn't even include the rest of NH.

(just an example, see attached. This illustrates one of many places just three miles outside the beltway still undeveloped in 2004. These were the first big homes built in the area, so yes we need more higher income residents in PG...and yes that neighborhood is 95%+ black).

Gaylord got a sweetheart deal from Jack Johnson. They're not paying as much taxes as you think.

[live_strong28]

Originally Posted by RaisedWell

Statements like this make it obvious that you don't like black people. You mentioned "why did all the white people leave?" Because they act and think like you. I remember when this county had a large white population. They left because they didn't want to live in neighborhoods where well-educated black people could move in next door to them and live better than they did.

You say you love living in Prince Georges. STOP LYING!! If you did, you wouldn't be on here with all of your comments. Either get out, never look back or become somebody working to make a change. Your negative, black-people bashing isn't helping anything. You have a lot of hate in you. Take the fatkid's advice and get a life.

Hate is with the reality from the data/news as reported.

Don't shoot the messenger.

If you can't handle the truth, that's not my fault.

[RFMD]

Originally Posted by live_strong28

Hate is with the reality from the data/news as reported.

Don't shoot the messenger.

If you can't handle the truth, that's not my fault.

Oh, you talking about the truth that your ancestors got a head start in life because of the good old boy system but you are still living in Garrett county or one of those racist counties with a gas station ,Walmart and still hating? You mean the data that says just forty years ago you had better access to education than folks in Prince Georges County and now 75% of the folks in the county can buy you despite your head start in life?

Again don't put no bubble gum links of cronyism on here. A great deal of folks living in Potomac and those so called pristine communities got there via this route they just didn't get caught. I 'am certain there are many Pfizer representatives living over there.

[live_strong28]

Originally Posted by RFMD

Oh, you talking about the truth that your ancestors got a head start in life because of the good old boy system but you are still living in Garrett county or one of those racist counties with a gas station ,Walmart and still hating? You mean the data that says just forty years ago you had better access to education than folks in Prince Georges County and now 75% of the folks in the county can buy you despite your head start in life?

Again don't put no bubble gum links of cronyism on here. A great deal of folks living in Potomac and those so called pristine communities got there via this route they just didn't get caught. I 'am certain there are many Pfizer representatives living over there.

Same old lame excuse about "head start in life." So just because others had a "head start in life," does that excuse others from actin' a fool?

Now that Obama is the president, why aren't people asking him about paying up the 40 acres and a mule? Stop making excuses for the elected leaders of PG Cty. The tax paying citizens deserve better.

Sorry, I'm going by my personal experience with PG County, not Garrett County.

Those PG residents who can buy whomever are sure getting their money's worth living in PG.

BTW, if "75% of the folks in the county could buy me," then the median income in PG should be much higher than 67k...which is the poorest of any county bordering DC (Mont. Cty, FFX Cty, and Arl. Cty) including Howard County and Loudoun Cty.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral...me_washin.html

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24/24033.html

Unless you have the facts to back up what you are trying to talk about, you're just blowing smoke.

And, just b/c there's cronyism in another county doesn't make it ok for cronyism to exist in PG County. Your statements about Potomac is nothing but pure conjecture on your part.

BTW, don't compare Potomac, MD with PG County unless you want to start talking about a high performing school system, efficient government, low crime, high end retail, high property values, and good white collar jobs nearby....none of which PG Cty has.

[RFMD]

Originally Posted by live_strong28

Same old lame excuse about "head start in life." So just because others had a "head start in life," does that excuse others from actin' a fool? Now that Obama is the president, then why aren't people asking him about paying up the 40 acres and a mule?

Sorry, I'm going by my personal experience with PG County, not Garrett County.

Those PG residents who can buy whomever are sure getting their money's worth living in PG.

And, just b/c there's cronyism in another county doesn't make it ok for cronyism to exist in PG County.

BTW, don't compare Potomac, MD with PG County unless you want to start talking about a high performing school system, efficient government, low crime, high end retail, high property values, and good white collar jobs nearby....none of which PG Cty has.

Point out anything in my statement that refers to owing something to someone? Again right wing conservative racist slant. Despite growing up in a racist environment with poor schools I 'am doing well. Go visit your friends in Garrett/Allegany County and ask them why they are in the boat they are in

Cronyism is everywhere. That is a hallmark of capitalism. If you don't think so you are naive. Again go ask Pfiser representatives of this fact.

Your friend Paris Glandening ran this county in the ground. Improvement occurred after he left office. That is a fact. Inefficient governments don't improve upon their bond rating. Go ask Paris what the rating was when he was in office.

[live_strong28]

Originally Posted by RFMD

Point out anything in my statement that refers to owing something to someone? Again right wing conservative racist slant. Despite growing up in a racist environment with poor schools I 'am doing well. Go visit your friends in Garrett/Allegany County and ask them why they are in the boat they are in

Nobody in PG Cty needs to be gloating because PG Cty is in no position to gloat. You can talk about Garrett (#11) & Allegany Cty (#12), but both those counties have better schools than PG (#24 out of 24) and Baltimore City. (#23 out of 24), the bottom two counties in Maryland.

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Originally Posted by RFMD

Cronyism is everywhere. That is a hallmark of capitalism. If you don't think so you are naive. Again go ask Pfiser representatives of this fact.

And I guess it makes it ok in your book?

And nowhere is it more acceptable than in PG Cty. That's why people like Jack Johnson and Currie are still in office while the citizens of PG suffer, but don't do anything about it.

Originally Posted by RFMD

Your friend Paris Glandening ran this county in the ground. Improvement occurred after he left office. That is a fact. Inefficient governments don't improve upon their bond rating. Go ask Paris what the rating was when he was in office.

Glendening is long gone and you are still talking about him? Two terms by Curry and two terms by Jack since Glendening and you're still talking about Glendening? Get a grip on reality.

What does having an improved bond rating do for you? It just means you can borrow money at lower rates.

Jack Johnson threw a celebration right after the bond rating improved, and then announced a few weeks later that he was going to furlough county workers. That's good government for you.

Prince George’s County: A-A-A O.K. at Maryland Politics Today

County workers told to take 10 days unpaid leave

Schools...ran into the ground by Iris Metts, and then in comes Deasy (white) who reverses the county's downward trend before he bailed, and now Hite kicked off the school year by having scheduling software issues.

Again, your math, your "arguments," your excuses, and your logic don't add up.

PG is run now by the people voted into office who represent the majority race in the county. No more excuses, especially not "late start in life." That's an insult to the people who are working hard and thriving.

[North Beach Person]

Live Strong, you forgot to mention Andre Hornsby, between Metts and Deasy, who now resides in a federal prison for bribery charges related to his tenure as PG Superintendant.

[thefatkid]

MODERATORS - PLEASE put a stop to this thread, and give livestrong a warning.

I don't know whether there may be legal implications or not - I could imagine some defamation arguments - but in any event do you really want to host this kind of racist drivel?

Livestrong - your comment about whites/crime in NW was completely uncalled for. Go back to reading the Turner Diaries in your basement alone.