stop denegrating PG county! (Silver Spring, Hyattsville: lease, condominium, mortgage)

[maat]

A friend of mine sent me this map of PGC. It shows income distribution based on the 2000 median of $55K. The population inside the beltway at that time was ~385K and outside was ~416K.

The dark green areas are households > $70K, bright green - households > $66K, light green - households > $60K. The median has since risen to about $67K so the map might be a little greener now. I thought it was interesting.

[howsitgoingdude3]

Originally Posted by RFMD

I was going to post such as you are exactly right in the reporting of the news. Fox is good for this. "Reporting from Prince Georges County this is John Doe."
"Reporting live from Rockville this is John Doe."

Again the county has troubled spots that I will not frequent at all. If if were a victim of crime on multiple occasions surely relocation would have to be considered.

It is no rocket science to realize that the bulk of the crime stems from the "affordable" garden apartments in the community. This is why many jurisdictions limit multiple unit housing or they are upscale to attract more affluent residents. As LaurelEngineer stated it is cruel to go this route in purging the county of such housing as many law abiding citizens are affected in the process however that is what you are going to see in the entire DC metropolitan area.

Yea, the reason fox can "get away" with doing this is because it keeps happening day after day. Again your anger is directed at the wrong group. I've heard this on a comedian stand up once "The media has never taken anything from me, but thugs have", so in essence why are you blaming the media for a problem they're not responsible for creating? I do not get this. Why not spend more of your time yelling at those criminals committing these constant sort of crimes. I mean how the hell is yelling at the media and saying they're racist or whatever when they aren't pulling guns out and shooting down black youth? I mean you cannot fix the problems with crime in PG until the community is willing to deal with an address the real problem and stop making this issue about everything else.

[familymatters]

I was making an effort to avoid this thread due to the obvious tension it provokes, but on the flipside maybe it can also give differing insights and shatter a few misconceptions.

How'sItGoingDude: That was a nice joke you quoted from Mr. Rock. Congratulations on all but ignoring the other poignant points Rock made in that insightful routine.

Do you recall the part where Chris laments how bad things were for blackfolks in the 50's and 60's? Remember Joe the bitter janitor who hates? Joe has kids...so just what do you think pissed off old Joe teaches his kids about life. What happens when people suffer bitter-frustration, lack of access to quality education, lack of employement, lack of advancement, racisim and discrimination? I'll tell you what happens, they pass that bitterness, hopelessness, hate and anger onto their kids. This aint rocket-science you just have to forgot what color people are and pretend they're just people.

So yes..you can blame black youth for killing black youth, but first we must look at the parents and to look at the parents you must look at their parents and how/what contributed to a mentality that creates such pain and loss of hope. How far does the bunnyhole go, better yet, how far do you wish to go to find root-causes of todays problems. My guess is you'd rather we stop just before we get to uncle sam and your parents, parents.

Intelligent folks know what racism and prejudice accomplishes and it's side-effects. I'm talking about cause and effect. I'm talking about reasons. I'm talking about intentions. Educated people fully understand the effects of years and years of oppression it's only the misinformed or inexperienced who fail to realize the byproducts of America's history as it pertains to inner-city black youth.

I'm not pulling a racecard. I'm speaking reality. Psychologically people are damaged and they pass that garbage to their children. I'm not saying people can't rise above, achieve and be successful, infact I have. What I'm telling you is everyone isn't equipped without loads of help, deprogramming and reprogramming. Everyone isn't like me. Everyone isn't like you.

I grew up with hope. I grew up believing INSPITE of my skin-color, the barriers I face, the stereotypes I'll endure, the breaks I won't get, the purse clutchers, the elevator ridders scared to death like I was Suge Knight, the crappy employers who spew words like "good fit" before they deny me a position that I was completely qualified for, beyond all that, I had hope. Some people don't have hope. Some people were told the opposite. Some people were told, drilled, influenced, programmed to believe they are nothing and that hope is pointless.

I don't know what you do with people who have no hope. I guess we give them hope somehow meanwhile I guess we move our children to places where they are less-likely to bump into them. The only problem is there's no place far enough to go. It's here to stay unless we combat it with empathy and true understanding not jails. Don't get me wrong. I get it. Most people are genuinely good and simply want to live a peaceful life where we all just get along. I'm a regular person. I want the same things as you. I don't want my kids getting shot by some hopeless, misguided, misdirected hoodlum. The only difference between what you want and what I want is that I grew up around hopeless people. When I was saying they can be anything they want to be they'd respond with "That's not for me" or "I'm not smart" or even better, "I'm not special, I'm just a *!@%*!"

and I wonder where that mentality came from.....


but

like I said earlier it's all about how far back you're willing to go.

[Tank1906]

Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3

Yea, the reason fox can "get away" with doing this is because it keeps happening day after day. Again your anger is directed at the wrong group. I've heard this on a comedian stand up once "The media has never taken anything from me, but thugs have", so in essence why are you blaming the media for a problem they're not responsible for creating? I do not get this. Why not spend more of your time yelling at those criminals committing these constant sort of crimes. I mean how the hell is yelling at the media and saying they're racist or whatever when they aren't pulling guns out and shooting down black youth? I mean you cannot fix the problems with crime in PG until the community is willing to deal with an address the real problem and stop making this issue about everything else.

You don't get it.

[RFMD]

Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3

Yea, the reason fox can "get away" with doing this is because it keeps happening day after day. Again your anger is directed at the wrong group. I've heard this on a comedian stand up once "The media has never taken anything from me, but thugs have", so in essence why are you blaming the media for a problem they're not responsible for creating? I do not get this. Why not spend more of your time yelling at those criminals committing these constant sort of crimes. I mean how the hell is yelling at the media and saying they're racist or whatever when they aren't pulling guns out and shooting down black youth? I mean you cannot fix the problems with crime in PG until the community is willing to deal with an address the real problem and stop making this issue about everything else.

I was expecting you to come back at me with a Christopher Columbus quote.

[Zippy7fo]

Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3

Yea, the reason fox can "get away" with doing this is because it keeps happening day after day. Again your anger is directed at the wrong group. I've heard this on a comedian stand up once "The media has never taken anything from me, but thugs have", so in essence why are you blaming the media for a problem they're not responsible for creating? I do not get this. Why not spend more of your time yelling at those criminals committing these constant sort of crimes. I mean how the hell is yelling at the media and saying they're racist or whatever when they aren't pulling guns out and shooting down black youth? I mean you cannot fix the problems with crime in PG until the community is willing to deal with an address the real problem and stop making this issue about everything else.

Lmao....You have no clue as to how the media and paranoia work. You wanna get eyeballs, you wanna get people listening to what your doing scare them. Scare them everyday and you'll get the attention you covet for advertisers. How many times did we hear on Fox that the terrorists wanna cut our throats??? How many time did we hear they wann blow up our blocks???? What about Y2k and all the computers blowing up???? Its all a ruse to get you watching and thinking about the news. Plus white-america has a history of fearing blacks that goes all the way back to slavery. So what do they do??? Scare you everyday at the six oclock hour so that you go to bed thinking about their channel. I've never had any problems in PG county and find it for the most part safe. Yeah you have your pockets but I tell you what. You show me one country in the entire free world that has economically disadvantaged minority communities and I'll show you crime. Name any country its there. Its the wealth/education distribution dude not race.....

[RFMD]

Let look at the crime pattern in the county.

The county encompasses 465 square land miles-refer to the map Maat has posted along with this one:
Prince George's County - Police Department - Neighborhood Crime Mapping
which breaks the county down into 6 districts.

The beltway encircles (inside the beltway) approximately 70 square land miles of the county which amounts to approximately 15% of the county-Districts 1 and 3 total 54 square miles and the remaining land miles comes from District 4. This total comes about by clicking on the Police department map and clicking on "identify" which gives you the square miles of each district.

In 2005 there were apparently 152 homicides in the county. 107 occurred within districts 1 and 3. 29 occurred within district 4 which I 'am confident in saying 95% happened within the portion of district 4 inside the beltway as depicted on Maat's map as showing red. Here is the proof.

Prince George's County, MD - Police Department : Crime Statistics

Click on all six district at the end of the year for 2005 and you will get your totals. Subsequently 85-90% of the homicides occur within 15% of Prince Georges County.

[howsitgoingdude3]

Zippy and Familymatters, I wholeheartedly agree with all of what both you have to say regarding the issue it's complicated I understand that, but to progress we have to keep it simple. Yes, some blacks still suffer from "slave mentality" and it's been passed down from generation to generation. I understand that poverty and crime have a strong correlation and these are also non-family values, that are passed down from generation to generation, but again that is not an excuse and it never will be a good one! Plain and simple is America racist, sexist, and religiously intolerant to a lot of groups yes! However, if you want to go back to history let's bring up all the successful blacks, that made it in the 1800's and early 1900's in a society, that had "real" racism and let's look at the effects, that government "help" has done to "disadvantage" communities since the 60's.

Is it any wonder that more black males were employed in the 1940's than there are now? I mean let's stop blaming the things we cannot control and start addressing the problems we can control and it starts with the basics. You don't want the news showing blacks killing other blacks well how about they stop shooting each other? I mean we can make up every excuse for these people it still doesn't help them nor fix their problems. Look life isn't fair for anyone no matter what color. Sure I'll agree certain groups start the "race" ahead of others, but we have all been given the greatest gift of all and that's ability to make our own choices in life. Once "these" people start to make the right choices these problems whether crime or poverty will ultimately in large amounts become non existent in PG county and other problem areas. In the last 40 years the community as a whole has gone down hill and PG is perfect atheists of modern day Black America. Sure PG has very successful blacks, middle class, and they also have poor blacks.

My point is simple the attitude of giving people excuses and having this "If you're black and don't agree with me, because I’m black you're a sell attitude" is a lot more destructive to the community than any racism that currently exist whether subtle or in your face. Poverty is no excuse for lack of disciple, manners, living a good life, and being a productive citizen. Poverty does not give people a free ticket to act lawless, reckless, and without regard for their fellow citizen, so that in my opinion is not a valid excuse. It was not a valid excuse for blacks 100, 75, or 50 years ago and it should not all of a sudden become the norm for how we explain crime and lawlessness in PG County today! You don't fix problems by giving the people committing them every excuse not to be better people. I’m sorry I just do not get this mentality of saying its "ok" because you're poor. When is the community as whole in PG going to stand up and say it is not okay to be lawless, live your life with reckless abandon, and continue to endanger your fellow citizen? Yes, it starts with the parents etc, but it also starts with a community allowing other ideas to flow through the community and not attempting to silence those that have differing points and opinions on how to fix problems. Fairfaxian is right on point this militant fascist attitude is continuing to keep the community in the dark. Look the ideas that have been held over the last 40 years have not worked and continuing to propagate this from generation to generation is not going to work. We live in a totally different society and I view PG county has a whole having this "old" attitude, that is no longer valid and most of you that level these excuses are not helping. I mean I would love to see PG County become a flourishing bastion of black success on all economic levels, but at this point I do not see that happening, because of the way people choose to deal with problems. You do not fix problems in the community by making excuses you fix problems by taking action and standing up for what's right and sometimes you have to stand alone with a different opinion than the crowd to accomplish that goal!

[familymatters]

You used alot of exclamation points.

and for the record I didn't give excuses, I gave you reasons. I gave you explanations. You gave me pull yourself up by the bootstraps rhetoric.

To cure a disease you treat the sickness not the symptoms.

You offered not one single solution. Not one. Telling people to stop being poor and selling drugs probably wont do the trick.

I don't see the point of going back and forth. I don't forsee either of us changing our stance. I understand but do not condone lawless activity. You do not understand the power of the media and you think people are deviant because they have nothing better to do. I disagree. What a predicament.

Last Point:

PG may have some of the worst, I'll give you that, but PG also has some of the best and dude that can't be said about many other areas of Maryland.

[Zippy7fo]

Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3

Zippy and Familymatters, I wholeheartedly agree with all of what both you have to say regarding the issue it's complicated I understand that, but to progress we have to keep it simple. Yes, some blacks still suffer from "slave mentality" and it's been passed down from generation to generation. I understand that poverty and crime have a strong correlation and these are also non-family values, that are passed down from generation to generation, but again that is not an excuse and it never will be a good one! Plain and simple is America racist, sexist, and religiously intolerant to a lot of groups yes! However, if you want to go back to history let's bring up all the successful blacks, that made it in the 1800's and early 1900's in a society, that had "real" racism and let's look at the effects, that government "help" has done to "disadvantage" communities since the 60's.

Is it any wonder that more black males were employed in the 1940's than there are now? I mean let's stop blaming the things we cannot control and start addressing the problems we can control and it starts with the basics. You don't want the news showing blacks killing other blacks well how about they stop shooting each other? I mean we can make up every excuse for these people it still doesn't help them nor fix their problems. Look life isn't fair for anyone no matter what color. Sure I'll agree certain groups start the "race" ahead of others, but we have all been given the greatest gift of all and that's ability to make our own choices in life. Once "these" people start to make the right choices these problems whether crime or poverty will ultimately in large amounts become non existent in PG county and other problem areas. In the last 40 years the community as a whole has gone down hill and PG is perfect atheists of modern day Black America. Sure PG has very successful blacks, middle class, and they also have poor blacks.

My point is simple the attitude of giving people excuses and having this "If you're black and don't agree with me, because I’m black you're a sell attitude" is a lot more destructive to the community than any racism that currently exist whether subtle or in your face. Poverty is no excuse for lack of disciple, manners, living a good life, and being a productive citizen. Poverty does not give people a free ticket to act lawless, reckless, and without regard for their fellow citizen, so that in my opinion is not a valid excuse. It was not a valid excuse for blacks 100, 75, or 50 years ago and it should not all of a sudden become the norm for how we explain crime and lawlessness in PG County today! You don't fix problems by giving the people committing them every excuse not to be better people. I’m sorry I just do not get this mentality of saying its "ok" because you're poor. When is the community as whole in PG going to stand up and say it is not okay to be lawless, live your life with reckless abandon, and continue to endanger your fellow citizen? Yes, it starts with the parents etc, but it also starts with a community allowing other ideas to flow through the community and not attempting to silence those that have differing points and opinions on how to fix problems. Fairfaxian is right on point this militant fascist attitude is continuing to keep the community in the dark. Look the ideas that have been held over the last 40 years have not worked and continuing to propagate this from generation to generation is not going to work. We live in a totally different society and I view PG county has a whole having this "old" attitude, that is no longer valid and most of you that level these excuses are not helping. I mean I would love to see PG County become a flourishing bastion of black success on all economic levels, but at this point I do not see that happening, because of the way people choose to deal with problems. You do not fix problems in the community by making excuses you fix problems by taking action and standing up for what's right and sometimes you have to stand alone with a different opinion than the crowd to accomplish that goal!

Lmao!!! Dude do you live inside a closet??? Reading your comments would leave me to believe that you have never had any form of contact with AA community or its issues. Their are millions of AA who are doing things the right way in the American system. To sit there and point out a few bad apples reflects badly on your reasoning and logic. Its not race dude but education and wealth distribution/creation. I've met a ton of successful AA who are getting things done and making it happen. Their are more AA going to college today than ever and AA males are the largest group to start businesses. Progress is happening...Stop the hallucinating....