stop denegrating PG county! (Baltimore, Seat Pleasant: day care, landlord, club)

[bobrulez]

Well then, when I see a black man in the mall, I guess I should see a drug dealer. I should, at bare minimum, consider him armed and extremely dangerous. Maybe I should take extra precautions around him. Hey, I know, lets arrest him BEFORE the crime, just to ensure that he's not an angry black nutcase.

How would that sit with you? You have some rather twisted logic. And please point to a single statistic which states that whites commit more murders? I'd settle for per capita or sheer numbers, even though whites outnumber blacks by several times. Reference your statistics please.

Here's a Dep't of Justice reference:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Which states:
Homicide Type by Race, 1976-2005, All homicides
Victims
White: 50.9%
Black: 46.9%
Other: 2.1%

Offenders:
White: 45.8%
Black: 52.2%
Other: 2.0%
What this means: That over the past 30 years, blacks have committed 52.2% of murders, whereas whites have committed 45.8% of murders. These are NOT per capita figures. Read the article if you wish to see the per capita figures.


Here's another reference:
http://mhawestchester.org/mhaeducation/incestmono7.asp
The Child Molesters: Clinical Observations - Part I
By A. Nicholas Groth, PhD, William F. Hobson, MS, Thomas S. Gary, MEd.

And here's a direct quote:
"Generally speaking we have not found any social or demographic characteristics that differentiate the child molester from the general population, not his race, religion, intelligence, education, vocation, socioeconomic class, or the like."

Yes there are white militant children. The KKK is a militant white power group. Every race, religion, and segment of population has it's nuts. The problem is when the nutcases are highlighted as role models and young folk are taught to behave as these nuts do.

And before you start spouting more racist junk about how black child molesters don't exist, you may wish to consider:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...icle.jsp?aid=3
"Dwight York, founder and kingpin of the black supremacist hate group Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, pleaded guilty in January in what prosecutors called the largest case ever mounted against a single child molester."

EVERY race has child molesters.

How in the name of all which is holy can you possibly blame the media while not blaming yourself? You have the most slanted views on this board, which is why I've singled out your posts. Please stop with the hypocracy.

Originally Posted by lscalder

America points out all the truth,wrongs about blacks. We hear black children committing crimes but why have we not hear about these white children who are depress and committing suicide at a faster rate then any other race. Why have we not hear about how to solve the issue of white children killing massacre in schools. If one person tease a white child that child will shoot up teh entire school or mall and kill themself. Why can't whites just admit it that white children are more depress then ever which is causing a killing spree every month of the year. I am not saying black children do not commit crime. All race do commit crime but whites are more brutal with their killing, instead of harming that one person they will go on a killing spree and shoot every single person. People say black thugs but yet its the white innocent looking people who are shooting up the mall or shooting up their job of employment. I never said black children are perfect but lets not only point the finger at black children as if white children are 100% perfect and have never commit any type of crime. If their are Black millitant children their are also white millitant children. As a matter of fact white school age children have a higher percentage rate of committing suicide due to bullying by their same race class mates then Blacks same goes for White Adults. White Adults have a higher percentage rate then Blacks to commit suicide.

When it comes to murders,child molesters whites out number every race. Majority of blacks who are behind prison are their for drugs not murder but majority of whites who are behind bars are their for murders or molesting children. Both rac ehave their problems and issues. If I hear on the news, Rampage shooting in the mall we know its a white person before seeing the killer. If Meth lab in someone's house we know its a white person. If we hear A child Molester house was found with child porn, We know its a white person. If we hear on the news one person was found dead in their car due to a drug exchange, We know its a Black person but if we hear the entire residens on the street was just killed, oh its a white person. Blacks and whites both commit crimes but the crimes whites commit are excessive. I think whats destroying the black community is crack and young children selling at a young age. I know if a thug lives next door me the worst he might do is sell crack but if a white person becomes my neighbor he might target my son and try to rape,molest my son or kill his entire family.

I want to try to trust whites around my son the way I feel about blacks around my son but when i see a white men I see child molester. When I am in the mall and a white men looks at my son I always hold my son in my arms. My nightmare is a white men kidnapping my son,molesting him and getting rid of his body. I know I am not the only mother who feels this way especailly a black mother. Whenever something like this happens its always a white men who kidnapped these children,kill them or hold them hostage for yrs, molest them or get rid of their innocent body.I think the media is separating both race even more and it think it needs to stop.

[lscalder]

Every race have crimianls but whites are mostly known and have a higher rate of child molesting children. Every race have drug dealers but blacks have a higher rate of drugs selling while white have a higer rate of doing drugs. I do not consider a gang member a serial killer because a gangs are known to kill other gangs or cause viloence towards another gang group who are also in to the same negative activities. I do consider a serial murder someone who kills innocent people or children who they dono tknow and kill in large groups such as the white 19 yr old who kill 8 innocent people at the same time or the columbine white students who killed numerous of innocent students. I am no way scared of a gang member because I know they target other gang members and not random people. As many gangs and drug dealers are in AMerica I have never hear stories where they just start shooting up public areas for no reason. Gangs or drug dealers know who to target and its not innocent people just walking around, they leave that for the WHITE WACKOS who kill for no reason. Here is a website to answer your question cut and paste:http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
Although incidents of serial killing are widely reported in the media because of the heinous and unusual nature of these crimes, there are actually very few serial killers relative to the general population. Research into this phenomenon is ongoing, and a small industry has sprung up around the practice of "profiling" serial killers in order to assist in their apprehension. But, law enforcement officials agree that each serial killer is unique. Society does not currently have sufficient knowledge to predict serial killing before it occurs and thus prevent it from happening.

Serial killers and their victims include people from all races, cultures, nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and sexual orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to use any demographic indicator as a predictor. There are no "rules" and all apparent trends have been broken. But some general observations can be made.

Serial killers are nearly always men (93%). Furthermore, of the relatively few female serial killers, one third of them worked in partnership with males.

In the United States, serial killers are predominantly white. This makes sense statistically, because about 80% of the population is white. According to some sources, whites are over-represented and African-Americans are under-represented among serial killers, but this depends on how one defines a "serial killer." The more celebrated, headline-grabbing serial killers are generally white, but if one counts all perpetrators of multiple homicides, including drug- and gang-related killings, then African-Americans account for between 20% to 30% of all multiple perpetrators, according to statistics compiled by the FBI. African-Americans comprise about 13% of the total U.S. population. Asians, who comprise probably under-represented among American serial-killers. Asian serial-killers are extremely rare in the United States, but Asians comprise only about 4% of the U.S. population so, statistically speaking, one would expect few Asian serial killers. There have been some high-profile Filipino serial killing and murder cases. Filipinos comprise a relatively newer and less affluent immigrant population relative to other major Asian groups in the United States.

Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had homosexual experience is high (over 43%), the total number of serial killers is too small to make statistically relevant statements about whether homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial killers. [Click here for source, related studies and statistics.]

Also, it should be noted that many of the homosexual serial killers on this list were not active members of the Gay & Lesbian cultural community.

Many of the most famous serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims, not because they in any way represent serial killers generally.

Given that less than 2% of adults are homosexuals (plus 1 to 2% who are bisexual), there would not need to be very many homosexuals among the total number of serial killers for them to be over-represented. But with such small overall numbers, and with no universally agreed upon definition of a homosexual, it would be impossible to determine the relative frequency of homosexuals among serial killers. Unlike gender and race (clearly ascertainable), there are no physical or genetic tests for sexual orientation. It can only be determined by behavior and self-identification.

Some serial killers engaged in sex with both males and females, which would prompt some people to classify them as bisexuals. Their actual identity would then be argued about by various biologists, gay writers, and others, who would classify their status as a variant of homosexuality, a distinct classification, or repressed homosexuals. Such hair-splitting is well beyond the scope of this paper. Suffice it say, all of the individuals listed here as "homosexual serial killers" can be classified as homosexual as the term is generally used.

Homosexual serial killers have most frequently chosen young boys or gay men as their victims, although some have victimized females as well. Most of the killers have raped their victims either before or after killing them, although in some cases they have killed after consensual homosexual sex. There have been heterosexual serial killers who have targeted gay victims (e.g., Colin Ireland), but this is very rare.

But more importantly, none of the serial killers listed here represent typical homosexuals, who, like the general population, are almost never involved in violent crime. The exact nature of each individual's feelings, attitudes, and behavior with regards to sex is unique, in the general population as well as among serial killers. Legally, all or nearly all of the homosexual serial killers on this list would be considered sexual deviants because of the extreme and violent nature of their acts -- not simply because of their homosexual orientation. It must be emphasized that violent sexual deviancy is exhibited by heterosexual serial killers as well.

No ethnic, religious or cultural group promotes this sort of violence. But in a free society, no culture is entirely free from violence, despite their best efforts. Kristi Degn eloquently wrote a letter to the editor in response to a writer who felt it was okay to single one culture out as perpetrators of violence:

In his letter "Man Is God Here" (Forum, Aug. 25, 2000), Dennis Kostecki wrote, "In my dating days here, I dated six women. All were from this culture. All were abused by their former husbands. Every one! It seems to me this culture promotes the degradation and abuse of their women for reasons only they know and understand."
Pinpointing the blame for abuse on any one "culture" is irresponsible and weak. Abuse is no respecter of culture or demographics. It is no respecter of gender, marital or relationship status.

Our statewide domestic violence hot-line number is 1-800-897-LINK. Perhaps Mr. Kostecki would be interested in knowing that calls received at this number are not from one "culture" only. Further, Mr. Kostecki's statement is narrow-minded in relation to a problem which is a national concern.

[kjg1963]

Did you even read the article you posted? It disproves what you keep trying to say. The statistics are based on the whole population. So of course whites will have a higher representation of serial killers. Duh!

[bobrulez]

Exactly. That and the article appears to take the high road of homosexual bashing. I always trust articles posted on religious-gathering sites by un-named authors.

And I don't know about you, but I'd rather be buggered by a rapist than killed by a gang member. Something about the permanence of death and all...

Originally Posted by kjg1963

Did you even read the article you posted? It disproves what you keep trying to say. The statistics are based on the whole population. So of course whites will have a higher representation of serial killers. Duh!

[liliblu]

Militant Blacks? Normal Blacks? Who are you people? Do you write whatever pops in your head? I have friends that have come from all walks of life. Some of them graduated from schools like Balou and Anacostia. Others went to private schools all their lives. One thing the majority of them have in common is that they have been successful in life. Not just career wise. But, successful in all aspects of their lives. I can tell you this. Your child's success or failure has more to do with the support system around them, than what another child says to them at school. Parental invlovement is key. I know people who grew up in some tough places but their parents were tougher.

Also, it is sad that some of you would post that poor and "lower class" kids are a "self hating" bunch. All of them? You can generalize like that and not have a second thought. The next time I talk to my friends who grew up in SE, DC, and in Prince Georges County, I'll ask this "self hating" bunch how they ended up becoming engineers, nurses, teachers, paralegals, a manager at NSA, and an electrician. I could go on but you probably get the point. Vastly outnumbered by militant blacks? Really?

[liliblu]

"Lack of shopping Amenities. I'm not even sure if PGC has a Whole Foods yet or a Trader Joes or any upscale grocery chains or any upscale shopping areas. You give up a lot of time traveling all the way to Tyson's Corner to get these things. The worst part of it all is that your hardworking money is going to benefit a county you do not reside in."
I rarely drive more than 1/2 an hour for retail shopping and drive rarely more 15 minutes to buy groceries. I always find fresh produce and organics. Sometimes I even buy from a farm. But I have never gone out of way to shop. Any retailer that does not have a store in this county or somewhere else nearby does not want my business. Are better retail options coming to the county? Yes, but it will take time.

[pwright1]

Iscalder keeps talking about upscale shopping coming to the old Landover Mall site. Have they announced whats coming? Is it really upscale or is it the same old Golden Corral, Value City, Apple Bee's kind of stuff?

[PropertyMan]

Originally Posted by bobrulez

Oh so do black kids ever beat up whites on busses? Do black kids ever shoot white kids? Do black kids ever rape white girls? Since you brought up the race issue, I should point out that black kids shoot a whole lot more people than white kids do. Even if you throw in the mass-shootings caused by nut-cases, black kids take the cake, hands down.

So think before you bring up race. Every race, I don't care which you point to, has skeletons in the closet. Plus it truly makes you look like a racist idiot, no better than a klan member spouting garbage about "white power".

I will call you racist because you are. Not because you speak facts about white kids shooting up schools, which happens, but because you refuse to admit that blacks have ever caused any problems in the history of our great nation.

Get your facts straight before levying racist allegations. Black people are the most rapidly shrinking segment of our population. Though there are "powers that be" that promote your racist views, the greater number of drug users, murderers, and other criminals are non-black.

If you wnat to be brutally honest then you have to look at who's been responsible for the destruction of millions of lives around the world. Whites ARE the greatest murderers in the history of the world (Hiroshima, the holocaust, slave trade, genocide of native Americans, centuries of bloodlust in Europe, etc.). Leave racism alone or look in the mirror!

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by bobrulez

Well then, when I see a black man in the mall, I guess I should see a drug dealer. I should, at bare minimum, consider him armed and extremely dangerous. Maybe I should take extra precautions around him. Hey, I know, lets arrest him BEFORE the crime, just to ensure that he's not an angry black nutcase.

How would that sit with you? You have some rather twisted logic. And please point to a single statistic which states that whites commit more murders? I'd settle for per capita or sheer numbers, even though whites outnumber blacks by several times. Reference your statistics please.

Here's a Dep't of Justice reference:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Which states:
Homicide Type by Race, 1976-2005, All homicides
Victims
White: 50.9%
Black: 46.9%
Other: 2.1%

Offenders:
White: 45.8%
Black: 52.2%
Other: 2.0%
What this means: That over the past 30 years, blacks have committed 52.2% of murders, whereas whites have committed 45.8% of murders. These are NOT per capita figures. Read the article if you wish to see the per capita figures.


Here's another reference:
http://mhawestchester.org/mhaeducation/incestmono7.asp
The Child Molesters: Clinical Observations - Part I
By A. Nicholas Groth, PhD, William F. Hobson, MS, Thomas S. Gary, MEd.

And here's a direct quote:
"Generally speaking we have not found any social or demographic characteristics that differentiate the child molester from the general population, not his race, religion, intelligence, education, vocation, socioeconomic class, or the like."

Yes there are white militant children. The KKK is a militant white power group. Every race, religion, and segment of population has it's nuts. The problem is when the nutcases are highlighted as role models and young folk are taught to behave as these nuts do.

And before you start spouting more racist junk about how black child molesters don't exist, you may wish to consider:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...icle.jsp?aid=3
"Dwight York, founder and kingpin of the black supremacist hate group Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, pleaded guilty in January in what prosecutors called the largest case ever mounted against a single child molester."

EVERY race has child molesters.

How in the name of all which is holy can you possibly blame the media while not blaming yourself? You have the most slanted views on this board, which is why I've singled out your posts. Please stop with the hypocracy.

Okay Bob and Iscalder, you both are just way out there on both ends. You guys are on both off the opposite ends of everything and you're extreme about it. You two are exactly the same just on different ends on the spectrum. You both are "gross generalizing" each race unfairly and making extremely false accusations each way.

Bob, if you read the lastest report from the Department of Justice we had more than 16,000 murder of which white males made up more than half of the total murderers. The facts are clear white males commit the majority in total numbers of all crimes in this country. No matter how you dice it up on a total number whites commit more total crimes than blacks, that is just a fact.

Whites males by total numbers murder, rape, steal, assult, molest, more than any group in this country, that is a fact.

However, because we have different levels of each racial population in this country (ie Whites are 80% Blacks are 11%) we break it down by "per capita" to get a more accurate discription of who does what and at what rates to society.

Here's why both of you are right no matter how you decide to dice it up. You both are dicing it up to serve your own bigoted agendas, but whatever. I do not disagree with facts only in the way people present them.

Blacks have higher per-capita rates of Murder, Rape, and Assult than do whites, that is a fact Iscalder. Obviously they do not commit the majority in terms of total numbers, because they are outnumberd by whites more than 7 to 1 in this country.

Here's why both of what you're saying is beyond silly. If you read the facts about most murders and its relation to interracial crime you both are just plain racist.

Crime Facts

1. Most Murder victims knew their killer
2. Almost 95% of murders are race on race murders (blacks killing blacks and whites killing whites)
3. Only like 1-2% of murders are interacial (meaning white killing black or vice versa) The news media sensationalizes these murders when they happen, but they rarely if ever occur very frequently as most whites/unless poor have little to no contact with poor blacks who are usually the most violent blacks.
4. Most Black murders happen in predominitely Black "inner city" neighborhoods and the victims are predomintely black between the ages of 14-35.
5. Most White murders happen in predomintely White Communities small towns, cities, suburbs, and the victims are predomintely white usually white females.
6. Most child molesters are white and go after white children
7. Most children are molested by family members and close friends

Okay, let me put this in perspective for both of you. The black homicide rate in this country has little to no effect on the safety of White America at large. You people do not live in the most violent neighborhoods in this country, so saying something as stupid as I fear being shot by an armed black man as a white guy is beyond stupid. Now, if you were black and between the ages of 14-35 and happen to live in the inner city you would have a valid argument. Sorry, to upset your racist belief but poor black guys aren't leaving South East DC and going to McLean, VA to murder and rape innocent white women. Does this ever happen? Sure maybe once or twice every 30 years. The black militants out murdering each other in the street rarely if ever go after White Citizens. White Citizens from the middle class rarely if ever go to inner city black neighborhoods the same with blacks from the middle class, so Bob, unless you live in South East DC or a project in Harlem I do not see your logic in complaining about armed black men walking through a mall.

Icalder your child has a higher probability of being molested by your own brother than some stranger that is white walking through a grocery store. This is just beyond silly. First of all most white male child molester do not want little black kids to molest when there are plenty white kids to molest. Do white males run into predomintely black suburbs and kidnap black children? It could happen, but the the likelihood of it happening is no different then Bob's assumption that walking past a black man in surburban mall is somehow dangerous etc or he'll be the victim of a black gang murder. Well, next time it rains and you both see a rainbow let me know if you both catch a leprachaun.

You two really need to calm down this is just silly and posting inaccurate data to prove your illogic points is offensive.

[kjg1963]

Truthhurts, good post. No finger pointing or generalizing. Rational thinking is always a breath of fresh air on some of these threads.