Some of you guys make me sad -- But Lets talk about Bowie (Hagerstown: credit, elementary school)

[jessy0780]

I have to say that I certainly agree that the most qualified person should get the job, no matter what color they are. I think affirmative action played a very important role when it was implemented, but now, how about hiring someone based on their skills, experience, or schooling- not on the color of their skin, or if they are man or woman? Wouldn't that be the most fair way to go about things? Honestly, when I think about a fireman coming to my home and rescuing my family, I want it to be someone who passed all of his (or her) tests with flying colors, and is dedicated and well trained. I don't give a crap whether they are black, white, hispanic or asian- just competent.

[liliblu]

Sorry, but the work place doesn't work that way. People are not always hired based on their qualifications. Some are hired based on their looks, family connections, and race. There have been several stories lately about race playing a role in whether or not people are called for interviews. Studies have found that people with "Black" or "Ethnic" sounding names are less likely to called for interviews than people with "White" sounding names. This occurred even when the applicants had identical resumes and when the applicant with the "Black" or Ethnic" sounding name had a superior resume. Affirmative Action was put in place to level the playing field. But even that benifits white woman more than it does minorities.

The recent posts reminded me of Peggy McIntosh and something she wrote. Look at #35.
White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

[1973 Forced Busing]

I Love Me Some White Women!

[jessy0780]

Originally Posted by liliblu

Sorry, but the work place doesn't work that way. People are not always hired based on their qualifications. Some are hired based on their looks, family connections, and race. There have been several stories lately about race playing a role in whether or not people are called for interviews. Studies have found that people with "Black" or "Ethnic" sounding names are less likely to called for interviews than people with "White" sounding names. This occurred even when the applicants had identical resumes and when the applicant with the "Black" or Ethnic" sounding name had a superior resume. Affirmative Action was put in place to level the playing field. But even that benifits white woman more than it does minorities.

The recent posts reminded me of Peggy McIntosh and something she wrote. Look at #35.
White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

I'm saying that people should be hired on their qualifications- not anything else.That's how the work world SHOULD work. It's really not fair otherwise. Whether race plays a role or not, it shouldn't. I wouldn't want to be hired somewhere simply because I'm a woman. I don't mind losing a job to someone who's more qualified than I am, but it wouldn't be fair to lose a job to someone just because they're a minority and I'm not. If they're better at it than I am, or have more schooling or experience, that's fine.

[howsitgoingdude3]

Originally Posted by jessy0780

I'm saying that people should be hired on their qualifications- not anything else.That's how the work world SHOULD work. It's really not fair otherwise. Whether race plays a role or not, it shouldn't. I wouldn't want to be hired somewhere simply because I'm a woman. I don't mind losing a job to someone who's more qualified than I am, but it wouldn't be fair to lose a job to someone just because they're a minority and I'm not. If they're better at it than I am, or have more schooling or experience, that's fine.

Hey Jessy07 in the perfect most civil utopia all of the races would work, live, and attend church together, but news flash there is no perfect utopia. Okay, I’m sure we all agree, that we'd prefer a true meritocracy where that's all that matters, but that's not the reality.

I personally find it in some ways appalling how whites react to Affirmative Action. The emotional reaction does not really fit the crime so to speak. Also that is the same for blacks that cry like babies if people say they’re going to get rid of the program.

As I said before the law of large numbers proves that whites are more likely winning because of AA than they are actually losing.

Why?

1. We all agree no single race has a monopoly on failure and being unqualified?

2. We all agree no single race has a monopoly on success and being qualified?

3. If we agree that the first two statements are true than only number 4 seems to be the right fit

4. Seems that people are most angered by the color of skin of the "unqualified" individual not really whether he/she is “qualified” or not.


Here's why 4 most be true

5. Whites seem to assume that if you're white that automatically equals "qualified"


6. If you're black that automatically equals "unqualified" and that is where the real problem lies.

If we believe statement (1) and (2) to be true than the law of large numbers comes in meaning that we all agree no matter what race you are there are people that are "unqualified" that have jobs and are providing services of any race. The law of large numbers simply states who ever has the most people most likely has the most "unqualified" person working in the country.

Bingo! Since whites make up almost 75 - 80% of a 300 million citizen country who do you think has the most "unqualified" people working in the job sector?

Hence why "reverse discrimination" whites getting all bent out of shape over someone being "unqualified" to get a job is complete bs and has nothing to do with being "unqualified" it has everything to do with the race of the person who is unqualified.

Reality is everyone looses when an "unqualified" individual black, white, green, yellow, gets a job however, no one gets upset about it unless the "unqualified" individual happens to be a dare I say a "minority."

That is why it is such an insignificant program for minorities and it in reality does not hurt whites. Yes, some qualified one’s every blue moon may loose a job to an unqualified minority, but there just is not enough black people to displace 200 million whites and that’s assuming all 30 million blacks are “unqualified”. It is not going to happen, but look at my college example on the previous page.

[jessy0780]

Do you have any idea how many applicants there are to, for example, government positions?
Why should anyone get preferential treatment because of the color of their skin. People should not be considered for any position based on anything but their skills.
5. Whites seem to assume that if you're white that automatically equals "qualified"
WRONG- I consider this an insult. I am white, and I do NOT think this way at all, do not disparage a race because of some poeple's ignorance.


6. If you're black that automatically equals "unqualified" and that is where the real problem lies.
WRONG- Again, don't assume that all white people think this way.
What's really sickening is how it's been made into a black vs. white affair. There's no good guys or bad guys here, just people and until more people start to realize that, there will always be those who base things on race instead of on people themselves. It's disgusting to me. People should grow up and realize that people should NEVER be judged by how they look. That's how I'm raising my child, hopefully he'll grow up with children who don't even notice what race other children are. Maybe I'm idealist, but nothing is ever going to change until we do.

[chipmunk226]

maybe i missed it, but what does fire fighting and AA have to do with Bowie?

don't get me wrong, I love a good and informative debate, but I am interested in Bowie, not AA or fire fighting or whatever

[lscalder]

Bowie is nice. My question is Bowie and Mitchellville the same the reason I ask is, I was going to purchase a home in Lake Arbor and on one some listing for Lake Arbor it would mention Bowie then another listing would say Mitchellville.

[emsgoof]

Originally Posted by chipmunk226

maybe i missed it, but what does fire fighting and AA have to do with Bowie?

don't get me wrong, I love a good and informative debate, but I am interested in Bowie, not AA or fire fighting or whatever

Iscalder turned it into a race issue back on page 6, thoroughly pissing me off in the process. That's what started that path of the discussion.

[PGC301]

Originally Posted by lscalder

Bowie is nice. My question is Bowie and Mitchellville the same the reason I ask is, I was going to purchase a home in Lake Arbor and on one some listing for Lake Arbor it would mention Bowie then another listing would say Mitchellville.

Bowie is an incorporated city (has its own mayor, city council, police department, has definite city boundaries, etc...), Mitchellville is an unincorporated area to the south/west of Bowie.

There is no Mitchellville post office (as far as I know), so the mail going to Mitchellville goes through the Bowie post office, which is why it has a Bowie mailing address. Same for Glenn Dale, Woodmore, Fairwood, Lake Arbor and parts of Kettering.