Why I left Maryland (Clinton, College Park: safe, residential, racism)

[$mk8795]

Originally Posted by terp4ever

Or you can just leave. How's that?

Iscalder is right, every jurisdiction has them. And while I'm not blind to Maryland's apparent tolerance to illlegal immigration, we're don't just "roll out the red carpet" as most conservatives (ie. Virginians) love to say.

Anyone who ignores the fact that the Democrats in Maryland are part of the Ill Flaws(Illegal Immigration, poor Urban/Suburban Planning, poor Roads/Highways, lack of High Paying Employment from the private sector, Lack of Upscale Shopping Malls, etc.) in Maryland are Suffering from Delusion of Grandeur......

[terp4ever]

Originally Posted by $mk8795

Anyone who ignores the fact that the Democrats in Maryland are part of the Ill Flaws(Illegal Immigration, poor Urban/Suburban Planning, poor Roads/Highways, lack of High Paying Employment from the private sector, Lack of Upscale Shopping Malls, etc.) in Maryland are Suffering from Delusion of Grandeur......

You know Maryland isn't the only state that conservatives like to pick on. Other liberal Northeast states like Connecticut, and especially New Jersey (the so called "armpit of America") receive unfounded criticism also. The only one of your list of "flaws" that is valid is the illegal immigration, which as I said before is a widespread problem. Even Fairfax and Arlington (especially the latter) are rife with "illegals." I agree witg firefightermom though that giving them in state tuition is just plain ridiculous, and makes no sense at all.

Maryland has excellent urban/suburban planning, probably some of the best in the country. There are many, many mass transit options available (six Metro lines spokes into the state, three MARC lines, Amtrak high-speed Northeast Corridor, numerous local bus services, Commuter Bus, Light Rail, Baltimore Subway etc.). Unincorporated transit-oriented cities like Bethesda and Silver Spring are perfect examples of excellent urban planning. Also the highways are in excellent condition, and allow for large volumes of traffic. I-270 is a perfect example of this with 4 express lanes (including an HOV), and 2 seperate local land on either side all the way up to Germantown. I-95 is great also, only I-495 really has delays throughout the day.

Now if you go South into VA. you better pray first. I used commute to Dulles from MoCo and once you hit the American Legion bridge the traffic makes you want to drive over. And 495 isn't even the worst. I-95 and I-66 are literally parking lots in rush hour. I remember once coming from Dulles and it took me 1 hour to go about two miles! I was driving south to NC on I-95 once and I wanted to just jump out my car and walk.

Reston, VA is a perfect example of suburban/urban sprawl. Compared to a city with a true "downtown" like Rockville or Bethesda it's just disgusting. Plus, that side of NoVA has NO rail transit whatsoever and maybe a few bus routes. And the neocons in Va finally thought it would be a good idea to have a Metro line to Dulles.

I already find it hard to believe that you acutally live/have lived in Maryland, but the comment about no luxury shopping malls definitely confirms it. If anything we have too many. Granted Tysons Corner is the most upscale in the area, but that's the only really "luxury" mall in VA. Potomac Mills is seedy, and it seems like every other day there's a shooting at Springfield (which will probably be razed eventually). In Maryland Montgomery Mall in Bethesda, White Flint in North Bethesda/Rockville, Wheaton Mall, Lakeforest in G'burg, the two large malls in Annapolis, and the Prince George's Mall in Hyattsville are examples of high end malls in MD.

Fact: Maryland has the highest median income in the country followed by the DEMOCRAT RUN Northeast states of New Jersey and Connecticut, with Mass. not far behind. Maryland doesn't need anymore high-paying jobs, especially with more federal jobs than nearly every other state. Maryland also has their fair share of private sector jobs in Baltimore and Montgomery counties, as well as Baltimore city. Lockheed Martin, Discovery Communications, Chevy Chase Bank, Marriot International, are just a few examples of large private sector employers. NoVa has more, but when the recession comes (as it has now) and the lay offs begin, you'll wish you had a high paying federal job instead.

Maryland also has the second largest biotech industry in the country and is ranked third in the "New Economy" index: "Five states—Massachusetts, Washington, Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey [hmm, all controlled by Democrats]—are leading the United States’ transformation into a global, entrepreneurial and knowledge- and innovation-based New Economy, according to The 2008 State New Economy Index..."

[LuvonI95]

Originally Posted by $mk8795

Yeah but South Carolina doesn't have any High Paying Jobs......

Exactly. Anywhere you consider moving to, you have to looks at the pros and the cons. Job opportunities, high cost of living, people on the move and don't have time for small talk, or small town feel, with people that may be likely to say hello to you if greeted, but less job opportunity. It's all about what you are looking for, and you have take the bathtub along with the bathwater.

[$mk8795]

Originally Posted by terp4ever

You know Maryland isn't the only state that conservatives like to pick on. Other liberal Northeast states like Connecticut, and especially New Jersey (the so called "armpit of America") receive unfounded criticism also. The only one of your list of "flaws" that is valid is the illegal immigration, which as I said before is a widespread problem. Even Fairfax and Arlington (especially the latter) are rife with "illegals." I agree witg firefightermom though that giving them in state tuition is just plain ridiculous, and makes no sense at all.

Maryland has excellent urban/suburban planning, probably some of the best in the country. There are many, many mass transit options available (six Metro lines spokes into the state, three MARC lines, Amtrak high-speed Northeast Corridor, numerous local bus services, Commuter Bus, Light Rail, Baltimore Subway etc.). Unincorporated transit-oriented cities like Bethesda and Silver Spring are perfect examples of excellent urban planning. Also the highways are in excellent condition, and allow for large volumes of traffic. I-270 is a perfect example of this with 4 express lanes (including an HOV), and 2 seperate local land on either side all the way up to Germantown. I-95 is great also, only I-495 really has delays throughout the day.

Now if you go South into VA. you better pray first. I used commute to Dulles from MoCo and once you hit the American Legion bridge the traffic makes you want to drive over. And 495 isn't even the worst. I-95 and I-66 are literally parking lots in rush hour. I remember once coming from Dulles and it took me 1 hour to go about two miles! I was driving south to NC on I-95 once and I wanted to just jump out my car and walk.

Reston, VA is a perfect example of suburban/urban sprawl. Compared to a city with a true "downtown" like Rockville or Bethesda it's just disgusting. Plus, that side of NoVA has NO rail transit whatsoever and maybe a few bus routes. And the neocons in Va finally thought it would be a good idea to have a Metro line to Dulles.

I already find it hard to believe that you acutally live/have lived in Maryland, but the comment about no luxury shopping malls definitely confirms it. If anything we have too many. Granted Tysons Corner is the most upscale in the area, but that's the only really "luxury" mall in VA. Potomac Mills is seedy, and it seems like every other day there's a shooting at Springfield (which will probably be razed eventually). In Maryland Montgomery Mall in Bethesda, White Flint in North Bethesda/Rockville, Wheaton Mall, Lakeforest in G'burg, the two large malls in Annapolis, and the Prince George's Mall in Hyattsville are examples of high end malls in MD.

Fact: Maryland has the highest median income in the country followed by the DEMOCRAT RUN Northeast states of New Jersey and Connecticut, with Mass. not far behind. Maryland doesn't need anymore high-paying jobs, especially with more federal jobs than nearly every other state. Maryland also has their fair share of private sector jobs in Baltimore and Montgomery counties, as well as Baltimore city. Lockheed Martin, Discovery Communications, Chevy Chase Bank, Marriot International, are just a few examples of large private sector employers. NoVa has more, but when the recession comes (as it has now) and the lay offs begin, you'll wish you had a high paying federal job instead.

Maryland also has the second largest biotech industry in the country and is ranked third in the "New Economy" index: "Five states—Massachusetts, Washington, Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey [hmm, all controlled by Democrats]—are leading the United States’ transformation into a global, entrepreneurial and knowledge- and innovation-based New Economy, according to The 2008 State New Economy Index..."

It'll be very interesting to see what those Maryland hating Virginia Country Hicks will say in their so-call rebutal to your above statement........

Oh BTW- Your statement about the Highways in Maryland being better than Virginia's will Hold Water if the state will continue to Commit the 100% Completion of the 6-8 Lane Inter-County Connector Toll that should have been Completed 35 years ago, no more funny business with those so-called anti-road enviromental extremist groups............

[GJHJ]

Originally Posted by terp4ever

You know Maryland isn't the only state that conservatives like to pick on. Other liberal Northeast states like Connecticut, and especially New Jersey (the so called "armpit of America") receive unfounded criticism also. The only one of your list of "flaws" that is valid is the illegal immigration, which as I said before is a widespread problem. Even Fairfax and Arlington (especially the latter) are rife with "illegals." I agree witg firefightermom though that giving them in state tuition is just plain ridiculous, and makes no sense at all.

Maryland has excellent urban/suburban planning, probably some of the best in the country. There are many, many mass transit options available (six Metro lines spokes into the state, three MARC lines, Amtrak high-speed Northeast Corridor, numerous local bus services, Commuter Bus, Light Rail, Baltimore Subway etc.). Unincorporated transit-oriented cities like Bethesda and Silver Spring are perfect examples of excellent urban planning. Also the highways are in excellent condition, and allow for large volumes of traffic. I-270 is a perfect example of this with 4 express lanes (including an HOV), and 2 seperate local land on either side all the way up to Germantown. I-95 is great also, only I-495 really has delays throughout the day.

I-270 is a perfect example?!? You've obviously never been stuck behind an accident between Rte. 28 & Falls Rd. at 0730 trying to get to your office by 0900 in downtown DC. And you probably haven't tried to get from upper Mongtomery County, say...Germantown?, to BWI airport for a flight at 0700 without having to leave the house by 0330. There is ABSOLUTELY NO good way to get across central MD at anytime of day, let alone attempting it during rush hour.

Originally Posted by terp4ever

Reston, VA is a perfect example of suburban/urban sprawl. Compared to a city with a true "downtown" like Rockville or Bethesda it's just disgusting. Plus, that side of NoVA has NO rail transit whatsoever and maybe a few bus routes. And the neocons in Va finally thought it would be a good idea to have a Metro line to Dulles.

I already find it hard to believe that you acutally live/have lived in Maryland, but the comment about no luxury shopping malls definitely confirms it. If anything we have too many. Granted Tysons Corner is the most upscale in the area, but that's the only really "luxury" mall in VA. Potomac Mills is seedy, and it seems like every other day there's a shooting at Springfield (which will probably be razed eventually). In Maryland Montgomery Mall in Bethesda, White Flint in North Bethesda/Rockville, Wheaton Mall, Lakeforest in G'burg, the two large malls in Annapolis, and the Prince George's Mall in Hyattsville are examples of high end malls in MD.

Perhaps you didn't hear about the shooting at Wheaton Plaza...wait, I'm sorry, Westfield Shopping Center or whatever they're calling it these days. Or the repeated stabbings/assaults/muggings at Lakeforest Mall?

Originally Posted by terp4ever

Fact: Maryland has the highest median income in the country followed by the DEMOCRAT RUN Northeast states of New Jersey and Connecticut, with Mass. not far behind. Maryland doesn't need anymore high-paying jobs, especially with more federal jobs than nearly every other state. Maryland also has their fair share of private sector jobs in Baltimore and Montgomery counties, as well as Baltimore city. Lockheed Martin, Discovery Communications, Chevy Chase Bank, Marriot International, are just a few examples of large private sector employers. NoVa has more, but when the recession comes (as it has now) and the lay offs begin, you'll wish you had a high paying federal job instead.

Maryland also has the second largest biotech industry in the country and is ranked third in the "New Economy" index: "Five states—Massachusetts, Washington, Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey [hmm, all controlled by Democrats]—are leading the United States’ transformation into a global, entrepreneurial and knowledge- and innovation-based New Economy, according to The 2008 State New Economy Index..."

Maryland does have great opportunities if you have the right qualifications. But if you don't, then you better have a spouse who does or you'd better be able to qualify for public assistance, which doesn't seem all the difficult. I know you're just trying to stick up for your home state (which was mine a whole lot longer than you've been alive), but you need to realize that there are a lot of bad things that go with the good things that you've mentioned.

[terp4ever]

Originally Posted by GJHJ

I-270 is a perfect example?!? You've obviously never been stuck behind an accident between Rte. 28 & Falls Rd. at 0730 trying to get to your office by 0900 in downtown DC. And you probably haven't tried to get from upper Mongtomery County, say...Germantown?, to BWI airport for a flight at 0700 without having to leave the house by 0330. There is ABSOLUTELY NO good way to get across central MD at anytime of day, let alone attempting it during rush hour.



Perhaps you didn't hear about the shooting at Wheaton Plaza...wait, I'm sorry, Westfield Shopping Center or whatever they're calling it these days. Or the repeated stabbings/assaults/muggings at Lakeforest Mall?



Maryland does have great opportunities if you have the right qualifications. But if you don't, then you better have a spouse who does or you'd better be able to qualify for public assistance, which doesn't seem all the difficult. I know you're just trying to stick up for your home state (which was mine a whole lot longer than you've been alive), but you need to realize that there are a lot of bad things that go with the good things that you've mentioned.

Actually I did hear about the gang shootings at Wheaton but that's a rare occurence. Maybe you heard about the large heroin bust in Ffx recently. Or the shooting in NW. Those type of crimes in those areas don't happen everyday, and its the same thing at Lakeforest and Westfield Wheaton. Trust me, Springfield, which will probably be razed soon, is worse. Violent/property crime there occurs on a regular basis. But, I'm not saying that Maryland malls are sterile. PG Plaza may be upscale, but late at night shady characters like to hang around there.

So funny you mention I-270 in Germantown since I happen to live there, and two weeks ago I took a Super Shuttle to BWI (I took MARC and Metro back). And while, it was 6 in the morning and a Saturday, the roads were still empty and well salted (we were having freeezing rain). You're right about no way to get across Central MD quickly, but the ICC will fix that. I still don't agree with you about 270 though. Maybe compared to a farm road in Nebraska it's congested, but compared to other roads in the region, particularly 66 and I-95VA, its not bad at all. The biggest problem highway in MD is the Beltway which (no matter how well you know the area) you can absolutely never predict the traffic flow on.

The first example you give also doesn't really prove much at all. An accident is an accident, and depending on how severe it is, it will hold up traffic for a certain amount of time, no matter which highway it is. An advantage of I-270 is the seperation of the local and express lanes, so the delay is minimized.

And I know the good goes with the bad. It all depends on an individuals preferences and what they're willing to trade off. And I'm willing to trade off higher taxes for the opportunities, services, and environment Maryland. But I certainly don't expect everyone to agree.

[tonyc]

Originally Posted by lscalder

No one wants to move to South Carolina. Nothing is in South Carolina. You must be bored out your mind right now in South Carolina. My family an dI will never never move down south even if they were giving away homes. In South Carolina everything is slow. Maryland have alot more opportunity then down South as far as growing a very successful business. The income,high paying jobs,excitement,fun,joy. I tend to find people down south as not very motivated people.

Hey..they got Myrtle Beach..

[coolnana5]

and i thought racism didn't exist until this last presidential election.. when 95% of blacks voted for an inexperienced president who was voted in 2007 as the worst liberal of all senators for his massive junk spendings in pork barrel junk.. so how is he good for the economy.. so racism is alive and well.. he claims he will inherit a $1.2 trillion dollar debt and next sentence he says in 2013 we will be $32 trillion in debt.. yep. Racism is alive and well sadly.. If everyone who is racist would read their history books, they would see that not only blacks were slaves, whites were also.. Whenever a person was hired to look after their farms, homes, maids, butlers ect and given a place to live, they were called slaves..
Wasn't a bad word back then.. most enjoyed their jobs and a place to raise their families..

[coolnana5]

Originally Posted by NJ2MDdude

No we need to vote out the Democrats who have turned MD into a santuary state for illegal immigrants.

your right. take it from an ex democrat of 40 years who is now republican and still vote bipartison.. trying to find one that isn't corrupt is hard to do..our governor should be impeached. Government has doubled in the past 20 years because they always hire their families and friends and contributors to do more studies.. its called payback.. their spendings on person gain is absorbant.. and yet they get away with it.. everyone needs to call on legislators and demand justice for the "legal" american taxpaying people..

[coolnana5]

Originally Posted by Judge Terror

Maryland always and still has a lot to offer. It is a state rich in diverse culture and there are many entertainment options all over the place.

However, the middle class and young people are being effectively pushed out of Maryland. At the moment they are being replaced by immigrants. If it was not for immigration, the state will have already started to be depopulated, much like what happened to the states in Socialist New England the past couple of years.

our state is becoming the trash capital of the world.. the illegals do not know what a trash can looks like.. try visiting any of our once gorgeous state parks on a weekend afternoon.. trash everywhere, they sleep there during the day. They bath in the bathrooms naked.. 3 times i observed them and they act like its nothing indecent.. 2 were thrown out of the park, but i'm sure they return always..