U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Massachusetts
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-17-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
2,667 posts, read 2,223,719 times
Reputation: 2920
Default I-95 / Route 128 Woes

Do any of you know of any proposals to bring I-95/R128 out of the dark ages and modernize it sufficiently to cope with current traffic volumes? On my commute to Burlington, it has been extremely jammed before it meets I-93 (both in the morning and going back the other way in the evening).


(this picture shows how severely traffic backs up for miles due to the bottleneck junction with I-93)

Also, the section between Danvers and Beverly is nothing short of a deathtrap. There has been construction going on since I moved here a year ago, yet little work has actually been done.

This is what I would like to see done:

1) Modernization of the I-95/I-93 junction so that traffic can flow more easily.

2) Widen the entire section to 5 lanes either side from the Mass Pike to where I-95 and 128 split near Peabody (3 lanes for such a busy semi-urban interstate is a joke).

3) Increase the length of the exit/entrance slip roads to allow for safer merging.

4) Installation of better lighting

5) Better policing to cut down the high levels of reckless and aggressive driving (weaving, tailgating, etc).

6) Urgent work done to the section between Peabody/Danvers and Beverly and in the interim, a strictly enforced 50mph speed limit.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-17-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Commiewealth of Mass.
535 posts, read 467,618 times
Reputation: 455
I don't have any answers to your questions, but I agree. Very bad road for commuting. I'm am so happy working from home. I used to commute on 128 often (though not daily), and it was awful.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-17-2012, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
2,667 posts, read 2,223,719 times
Reputation: 2920
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruins_Fan View Post
I don't have any answers to your questions, but I agree. Very bad road for commuting. I'm am so happy working from home. I used to commute on 128 often (though not daily), and it was awful.
I want your job

Seriously though, traffic volumes could be slashed by a bit of modernization. I also think that the cops need to get off their asses and start cracking down on aggressive driving that causes bottlenecks and accidents.

For a road that is such a major artery and part of the great east coast interstate, it's a rather sorry ass state of affairs. I'm surprised that it wasn't widened 2 decades ago.

At least it's scenic and green though and not surrounded by concrete & billboards.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-17-2012, 07:26 PM
 
2,307 posts, read 1,390,249 times
Reputation: 1375
They are currently doing a widening project that will make the stretch from route 9 to 24 4 full travel lanes and a breakdown lane in each direction, so 8 total lanes, up from the current 6. This will also end the breakdown rush hour travel. That will help alleviate the stress. Down the road the interchange for 93 and 95 will be completely rebuilt which will greatly help traffic flows.

But you can widen the highway to 15 lanes, it will never eliminate the problem. Look at other cities that are constantly adding new highways and widening the ones they have and their traffic is still terrible. I am talking about Miami, Houston, Dallas and Los Angeles.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-17-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
2,667 posts, read 2,223,719 times
Reputation: 2920
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAM88 View Post
They are currently doing a widening project that will make the stretch from route 9 to 24 4 full travel lanes and a breakdown lane in each direction, so 8 total lanes, up from the current 6. This will also end the breakdown rush hour travel. That will help alleviate the stress. Down the road the interchange for 93 and 95 will be completely rebuilt which will greatly help traffic flows.

But you can widen the highway to 15 lanes, it will never eliminate the problem. Look at other cities that are constantly adding new highways and widening the ones they have and their traffic is still terrible. I am talking about Miami, Houston, Dallas and Los Angeles.
Well I've driven extensively in Miami and also in LA. Miami's traffic is nothing on the scale of Boston's. The thing there is that if the expressways are congested, you can get off and find an alternative route (at least that was the case when I lived in Fort Lauderdale and had to travel to Miami on a few occasions). I-95 I that part of the world may get busy, but it generally moves. Boston's traffic volumes are much worse, but could be alleviated by road widening and junction improvements, along with traffic enforcement.

I'm glad there's a plan to rebuild the 95/93 junction. That is pretty much the sole cause of 95's insane morning and evening traffic - that coupled with selfish driving habits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-17-2012, 11:06 PM
 
5,179 posts, read 8,499,872 times
Reputation: 3517
Unfortunately for the area you're concerned about, it sounds as if TAM88 is talking about the 93/95 interchanges at the southern end of 128, not up by Burlington. At least I'm guessing this to be the case because the rt 9 to rt. 24 section TAM also mentioned is toward the south.

TAM88, I think that widening some major roads could help alleviate traffic in Boston more than it does in the cities you used as examples where ever-wider roads continue to be clogged. Those examples are quickly growing Sun Belt metro areas, where it may be difficult to widen the roads fast enough to keep up with traffic volume increasing at the rate it does as the populations of these areas explode. With the more slow and steady growth around an old Northeastern city like Boston, widening key stretches of road may actually help traffic flow for some substantial time before a greatly increased volume of traffic overwhelms even the wider roads.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2012, 04:55 AM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
12,915 posts, read 21,310,324 times
Reputation: 10053
Ditto on adding lanes to 128, by the time any project is done, the people population will have grown and the extra lanes won't make any difference.

Companies need to start moving to the suburbs or other MA cities. More public transportation options are also needed, but that takes time and money. And we also need to decrease the human population in eastern MA.

There are no cheap or easy fixes for this situation. I do know that in the '80's when I was just out of college, the traffic was never this bad.

BTW the rush hour traffic in the major highways surrounding and through all the major cities of the US and the world is really really bad. The beltways around DC and Atlanta, I-95 in CT... we really need less people on this planet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2012, 05:18 AM
 
3,203 posts, read 2,699,413 times
Reputation: 1469
I imagine if they "fix" 95/128, the same result will be as that of the 'Big Dig''. Now, rather than sit at a dead stop on the elevated Rt 93, we all get to sit at a dead stop underground in a tunnel. Ahhh.... progress
We could have built four aircraft carriers for that price.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2012, 07:14 AM
 
2,307 posts, read 1,390,249 times
Reputation: 1375
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonborn View Post
Well I've driven extensively in Miami and also in LA. Miami's traffic is nothing on the scale of Boston's. The thing there is that if the expressways are congested, you can get off and find an alternative route (at least that was the case when I lived in Fort Lauderdale and had to travel to Miami on a few occasions). I-95 I that part of the world may get busy, but it generally moves. Boston's traffic volumes are much worse, but could be alleviated by road widening and junction improvements, along with traffic enforcement.

I'm glad there's a plan to rebuild the 95/93 junction. That is pretty much the sole cause of 95's insane morning and evening traffic - that coupled with selfish driving habits.
We will have to agree to disagree. Saying Boston's traffic is on another level above Miami's is not true at all in my eyes. Boston also has a substantially better transit system than Miami does which helps take cars off the road. So I have a hard time hearing that Miami, with a larger population and a poor transit system, has less traffic than Boston does.

You also realize that you are in a high density area with a ton of businesses and that widening any highway will be met with heavy local opposition.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ogre View Post
Unfortunately for the area you're concerned about, it sounds as if TAM88 is talking about the 93/95 interchanges at the southern end of 128, not up by Burlington. At least I'm guessing this to be the case because the rt 9 to rt. 24 section TAM also mentioned is toward the south.

TAM88, I think that widening some major roads could help alleviate traffic in Boston more than it does in the cities you used as examples where ever-wider roads continue to be clogged. Those examples are quickly growing Sun Belt metro areas, where it may be difficult to widen the roads fast enough to keep up with traffic volume increasing at the rate it does as the populations of these areas explode. With the more slow and steady growth around an old Northeastern city like Boston, widening key stretches of road may actually help traffic flow for some substantial time before a greatly increased volume of traffic overwhelms even the wider roads.

I am talking about the 95/93 interchange in Woburn that will eventually be redone.

I93-I95 Interchange Improvements Project - Photos and Images
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2012, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
2,667 posts, read 2,223,719 times
Reputation: 2920
Quote:
Originally Posted by miu View Post
Ditto on adding lanes to 128, by the time any project is done, the people population will have grown and the extra lanes won't make any difference.

Companies need to start moving to the suburbs or other MA cities. More public transportation options are also needed, but that takes time and money. And we also need to decrease the human population in eastern MA.

There are no cheap or easy fixes for this situation. I do know that in the '80's when I was just out of college, the traffic was never this bad.

BTW the rush hour traffic in the major highways surrounding and through all the major cities of the US and the world is really really bad. The beltways around DC and Atlanta, I-95 in CT... we really need less people on this planet.
Agreed on less people

I don't know if encouraging companies to move to the suburbs is the answer though and actually, that may be part of the problem. There are many companies located in places such as Woburn, Bedford and Burlington. These places are not as accessible by public transport and much of the traffic I see on 95 / 128 is going to & from such places, rather than just into downtown Boston.

Adding lanes would be a great start, as would a huge upgrade to the 95/93 interchange, because THIS is what causes up to 3 miles of traffic:



Fix that, make the entire stretch 5 lanes and you'll make it move again. Past 93, it generally moves pretty well, unless there's an accident.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2011 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $79,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Massachusetts
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top