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That is exactly what I did. Sadly the same thing is happening to Maine from what my parents have told me and that will leave New Hampshire virtually surrounded.
I've been hearing the same thing about parts of Maine too. Sadly NH isn't far behind,with close proximity to Ma. there are a lot of people moving to NH and commuting to Ma. Bad part is they're bring their same beliefs with them and are slowly changing NH too. Look at the whole N'east from RI up,taxed to death,welfare and illegals everywhere,corrupt politicians. In a few years I'm moving West,I don't need anyone in these nanny states telling me I can't have a sparkler on the 4th or restricting my 2A rights anymore!
Think about some of the liberal political movements that began in other states: physician-assisted suicide, legalized marijuana and gay marriage, for example. The Democrats on Beacon Hill do not stand up for these causes, they leave it up to the Supreme Judicial Court or a referendum to do their dirty work.
I see the ongoing actions of Beacon Hill as more support for unions and the businesses of friends and relatives connected to the legislators. Very rarely, if at all do you see the Massachusetts legislature making a liberal political statement like Oregon did with the Physician-Assisted Suicide.
DISCLAIMER: I do not necessarily support the aforementioned political decisions, I am just making a point.
Much of that I would classify as "libertarian" rather than the N.E. style nanny-state liberalism. I see their lack of action on those issues as more cowardice and not wanting to face their voters rather than a matter of being liberal, conservative, or middle-of-the-road. As for gay marriage, if you do not remember the voters had obtained the required signatures to get it on the ballot (like we later did for medical marijuana and P.A.S.), but the legislature voted to deny us that vote. You cannot have many doubts as to where they stood on that issue (or were at least under pressure from the lobbyists).
But you're right, it's a different breed of liberalism than you see on the west coast.
Right and wasn't this 'reform" supposedly in answer to recent revelations of fraud where benefits were being collected by dead people?
MA has a target on it's back and been that way for quite awhile now.
Anecdote:
DW ended up chatting with a single woman who walks by daily and has just relocated a few doors down to an apartment. Apparently she was quite candid when asked why she moved from a state to our south to MA, explaining it was much easier to get welfare and the benefits were better.
Supposedly (and this would be more than just "anecdotal") there is some welfare agency in the NYC area that is openly advertising the Fall River/ New Bedford area as a place to relocate to receive benefits (a welfare colony). It is by no accident that up here is where they are seeking to go (rather than PA or VA or someplace). We have certainly painted a target on our back.
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Some of these guys play the system. You posted the Herald News link which shows how local reps voted. A huge percentage of their voter base in those districts (this is true in many others) are also recipients of those benefits.
FR is notorious for disability scammers (and I'm talking the natives, not necessarily the more recent transplants). Many have the attitude that what they are on is different than welfare, but it's really not. That system needs reform as well.
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I've been hearing the same thing about parts of Maine too. Sadly NH isn't far behind,with close proximity to Ma. there are a lot of people moving to NH and commuting to Ma. Bad part is they're bring their same beliefs with them and are slowly changing NH too.
I thought Maine is starting to reverse some of that after the Tea Party candidates swept the last election? Maine is another place where "long term disability" has become a way of life. Many moan about Mexicans taking all the jobs at the local egg farms and greenhouses, but truthfully the locals are often not the most reliable employees. They are experts at blowing their back out the 2nd week on the job and being injured for life. They have seen so many jobs come and go and promises reneged on. It is what they have learned to do.
NH I hear is getting much worse with the taxes and all. If you go over on the NH forum you will see them describing Nashua and Manchester like they're Lawrence or Brockton (I'm not sure how close they really are to that). You still seem to get more bang for your buck there though.
6. And while really a federal program, Section 8 needs to be scrapped.
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Total nonsense. Section 8 just means you pay 30% of your income in rent. So a single person making minimum wage at 37.5 hours a week would pay AROUND 350 bucks a month/all utilities included for a 1 bedroom. That's all they can afford at that wage level. Why should they have to work 100 hours a week just to barely get by? Sounds like slavery would be a better deal Never used to be like that. We are the richest country in the world.
You don't pay a living wage(enough to afford fair market rent) to a large percentage of people. This is simple fact. Section 8 therefore is a necessity. When you don't have affordable housing, you create a welfare state or you become like hong kong where people rent "cages" to sleep in. You already see this in nyc where the middle class have been pushed out. Landlord greed. We are a service economy. If everyone goes to college, you'll still end up with a large percentage in service jobs. And we've decided those jobs are low paying. All of MA is expensive. You can't find an apt anywhere in the state for 30% of income when making minimum wage. People who works normal hours at low paying service jobs who aren't lucky enough or on the waiting list for vouchers usually live with parents or friends/roomates. They are not truly an independent adult living on their own. It's very difficult to make it due to the obscene rents being charged. An adult working a full time job at mcdonalds should be able to afford their own apartment and have a little money to save. This is impossible with current wage to rent ratio in the free market. Therefore Section 8 is a necessity. There shouldn't be any shame in working at a job like mcdonalds for long term if that is the best that they can do. It's an honest living and the person should be treated/paid fairly. There seems to be a growing culture of uncaring/greedy snobs.
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People who works normal hours at low paying service jobs who aren't lucky enough or on the waiting list for vouchers usually live with parents or friends/roomates.
Then those people should stay living with roommates or family. No one is owed having their own apartment...
My parents taught me that the good things in life required planning, effort and hard work. And as a teen I knew that if I worked minimum wage jobs as a career that would greatly limit my options. And as a woman, I also knew that having children without a committed partner or with a partner who only worked a low paying job would trap me in a poverty cycle.
There should be time limits to Section 8 vouchers. We shouldn't reward people who make unwise life choices.
Then those people should stay living with roommates or family. No one is owed having their own apartment...
My parents taught me that the good things in life required planning, effort and hard work. And as a teen I knew that if I worked minimum wage jobs as a career that would greatly limit my options. And as a woman, I also knew that having children without a committed partner or with a partner who only worked a low paying job would trap me in a poverty cycle.
There should be time limits to Section 8 vouchers. We shouldn't reward people who make unwise life choices.
It's not about being owed anything. You're working a job. Any job should pay enough to support that. If it doesn't, then there's something wrong with the system. That's the point of section 8. To address that.
hmmm....So you don't deserve to make enough money if you work a full time service job to have your own little apartment? In the richest country in the world? It's 4 walls with a bathroom and kitchen. Not the ritz. That's a sad quality of life for people. I guess some people have to sacrifice so others can horde all the wealth to themselves, eh? So someone who works a full time service job shouldn't be allowed to breed then? haha
There will always be a percentage of people in low income service jobs. Walmart is the largest employer in the country. You either need rent control or section 8. The free market for housing doesn't work for low income people.
In the 70s, it was not as bad as now. Rent was much cheaper. You could get a GOOD job with just a hs diploma. Quality of life for people starting out is really ****ty right now. The wealth is being horded by a small percentage. That's the facts.
Please people, you're just trying to rationalize nonsense because you want to pay less taxes. You should be addressing the real problem of slave wages and obscene rents. Let's be honest.
Those low wage jobs are good starter jobs, but never meant to be a career. If you want to make more money and have more luxuries in life, then you have to learn and get more advanced job skills. Or get a second job. Or learn to save and stop buying on credit.
I don't believe in socialism. I also think that it's very important that hard work and having self discipline be rewarded. Lazy minds should NOT be rewarded or be given the same luxuries as those who studied hard in high school and college, or who waited to get married and have decent jobs before having babies.
Otherwise, being in poverty in the US is still better than being poor in any Third World Country. So if a poor person doesn't like their life in the US, then they should try living in India or on the African continent.
Those low wage jobs are good starter jobs, but never meant to be a career. If you want to make more money and have more luxuries in life, then you have to learn and get more advanced job skills. Or get a second job. Or learn to save and stop buying on credit.
I don't believe in socialism. I also think that it's very important that hard work and having self discipline be rewarded. Lazy minds should NOT be rewarded or be given the same luxuries as those who studied hard in high school and college, or who waited to get married and have decent jobs before having babies.
Otherwise, being in poverty in the US is still better than being poor in any Third World Country. So if a poor person doesn't like their life in the US, then they should try living in India or on the African continent.
Not being a highly paid earner does not equate to being lazy.
There are all kinds of people in this world. A person working full time should be able to afford a place to live and not be forced to move in with a relative or a friend. Maybe that person didn't have the intellectual ability to go to college or maybe they couldn't afford it or maybe they don't have the physical or mental capacity for "advanced job skills." Yet they are putting in the hours just like anyone else and doing their best.
You seem to have this stereotype that the person is not disciplined or hard working. Or else you think they are abusing credit cards. That probably applies to some people but we aren't talking about only those people. I'm thinking about women (in particular) who have to work as waitresses or at low paid clerical jobs and so on--you think they are lazy? Non disciplined? Should move in with their relatives?
Do you want to be a single 40 year old woman who moves in with the relatives? You seem to think it's
okay for everyone else but I bet you wouldn't do it.
I agree with you only to a small extent--people who really ARE lazy shouldn't be rewarded and people who have babies without being financially secure shouldn't be rewarded. But just because the person didn't go to college and has to work at some menial job doesn't mean they shouldn't have a decent place to live--not luxurious--but a decent roof over their head. I believe in helping the people who are deserving help and there are a lot of them out there.
Those low wage jobs are good starter jobs, but never meant to be a career. If you want to make more money and have more luxuries in life, then you have to learn and get more advanced job skills. Or get a second job. Or learn to save and stop buying on credit.
I don't believe in socialism. I also think that it's very important that hard work and having self discipline be rewarded. Lazy minds should NOT be rewarded or be given the same luxuries as those who studied hard in high school and college, or who waited to get married and have decent jobs before having babies.
Otherwise, being in poverty in the US is still better than being poor in any Third World Country. So if a poor person doesn't like their life in the US, then they should try living in India or on the African continent.
So you think that giving someone a section 8 voucher is just as good at getting an md? haha lmao. Hard work is clearly rewarded and giving section 8 vouchers doesn't change that. I know which one I would choose!
That's the big debate. Are these truly "starter jobs?(ie a job for a 17 year old in the summer) I don't think so. How many 25 year old plus men/woman have you seen working at walmart? You should be able to start making a living at 18!! That's the way it used to be. How many people are going to college and ending up with a service job? We seem to think college is some shangri-la. It's not. If everyone goes to college it nullifies the power of the degree.
Except for professionals like engineers, doctors, scientists, lawyers ect college is NOT truly necessary to DO the job. It's necessary to GET the job. Soon you'll need a degree to get a job at mcdonalds. Actually this has already happened at one mcdonalds in massachusetts. They were requiring a bachelor's degree for a job as a cashier. How many people have you seen at starbucks that had advanced degree's? College for most is simply an VERY EXPENSIVE extention of 4 more years of high school. Why we've decided we need this is beyond stupidity. A hs diploma is all you should need for your average job. You're an adult at 18 and once you graduate high school you should be able to go out on your own. That's the way it used to be. Now we seem to extending adolescence for no apparent reason and it's not like it's helping younger people(sort of like keeping someone in diapers longer)
The comparison to third world countries is your defense? Those places are **** holes. How about comparing being in poverty in America to Australia/Denmark/Sweden/France ect?
As far as laziness? You think somebody working at mcdonalds is lazy? That's about as fast paced as you can get. I couldn't think of a harder/thankless job than working at a place like mcdonalds. Maybe being a mover and few other "dog" hard labor jobs. You're treated like dog **** and expected to do the work of 4 or 5 people. How about a hotel front desk clerk? Why are they forced to stay on their feet the entire day? Is it too much to ask to give them a stool to sit on? They're being treated like worthless animals.
As far as "socialism" and all these political terms. It's all a bunch of B.S. Medicare is clearly socialized medicine. So is social security and their both fantastic! Get over this soviet communism crap. This is a free country. We vote. We have freedom of speech. The bottom line is what type of quality of life is your above average to below average person living.
Oh and some people have no support system and can even up homeless.
Your arrogance that only bums work lower paying jobs is laughable. I thought bums don't work and just collect a welfare check? So how is this possible?
Forget all the political hot topics/talking points.
-----It's simple.
You work a full time job in the richest country in the world, you should be able to put a roof over your head and save a little money. YOU CAN'T with current wages at lot of service jobs without section 8. Some form of rent control is needed when you have a huge gap in income vs. cost of basic housing
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