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View Poll Results: Who will you vote for?
John McCain 10 13.89%
Mitt Romney 15 20.83%
Hillary Clinton 20 27.78%
Barack Obama 27 37.50%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 02-02-2008, 01:28 PM
 
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I don't know yet. For me, it's between Clinton and Obama. On the one hand, I'm tired of the media representation of both candidates: Bit*h Clinton and Saint Obama--neither of which is remotely true. I'm tired of Clinton being blamed for her husband's presidency. Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton. In fact, long before Bill Clinton became President, Hillary Clinton was voted--by her peers--as one of the top 100 lawyers in U.S. As the saying goes, everybody hates lawyers--until they need one. Clinton could have stayed in corporate law and made a fortune. Instead, she has committed herself to public service. There's something to be said for that. I'm also bothered by the fact that there seems to be a lot of misogyny directed at her, by the media, as well as by the electorate. On another note: in general, I'm rather suspect of charismatic politicians, such as Obama, whose almost revival-meeting type rhetoric too often, in my opinion, mesmerizes people, and is a bit disturbing. I, too, am intrigued by him, but have yet to hear any real concrete ideas/plans put forth. What will he do to address the loss of American manufacturing and American jobs? What will he do to secure the borders? How about Washington lobbyists? etc. Despite Obama's rousing rhetorical genius, sometimes I feel like "there's no there there." "Hope" and "unity" won't strengthen the economy or put meals on the table. Clinton gets the upper hand, in my view, due to her experience. She was the architect of a nationalized health plan years ago, which was roundly trounced by Congress. She has shown over and over again her investment in the welfare of the disenfranchised in this country. On the other hand, I believe that Obama is a person of integrity, and--being highly educated and possessing an intellectually creative mind--is perfectly capable of being President, despite his comparatively smaller bank of experience in government/public service. represents perhaps the first opportunity this nation has had--ever--to shift perceptions of race, and the very fact of his Presidency might resonate in ways that are deeply healing for this country. . . . In sum, even at this late date, I am still unsure to whom my vote will go. I am, however, for the first time in my life as a voter, deeply grateful for the fact that I have before me a difficult choice.

The Republican candidates don't figure into my decision. If they did, however, I would feel--also, perhaps, for the first time in my life--that there was no choice to be made, since both candidates fall far short of my definition of integrity.

JMHO.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:39 PM
 
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P.S. John Edwards for Attorney General! You bet.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:46 PM
 
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ya i guess all the people on this site would vote for hillary. freakin' old people.

whatever, any democrat is good enough.
Hey some of us are only in our freakin 30's. I vote Obama!

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Old 02-02-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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I will give Hillary my vote because of 2 reasons:

1) Her experience and time in the White House.
2) Barack's inexperience in International relations.

I'll back that up with saying that I will vote for whichever Democrat gets the nod, but I do feel that in today's climate, the next President is going to have to diffuse the Middle East mess. Obama will reach great places in his career and I do like him- but I think it will be in years to come- not now.

One slight negative for Obama is that he seems to also have some sort of shifty excuse during the debates when negative points/votes come up against him. The last debate in NH was classic- he downright changed the subject more than once and gave an excuse for how he has voted in the past. Not that I do not trust him, but I think that is an example of inexperienced responses to being under political fire.
I think he seems pretty sharp. I personally think he will be a far better negotiator for peace than another angry white male. Hillary could be veep! Or Edwards!
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Old 02-02-2008, 03:53 PM
 
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I think he seems pretty sharp. I personally think he will be a far better negotiator for peace than another angry white male. Hillary could be veep! Or Edwards!
But why, in particular, will you be voting for Obama, other than the fact that you like his public persona? For example, what policies of his, in particular, might sway a voter to his side?
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Old 02-02-2008, 04:53 PM
 
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"As a native NYer, I'm ashamed that my native state would elect someone to be Senator who never lived in NY, didn't know the state, and had ZERO qualifications to be its Senator when elected."
Neill: Ever heard of Robert F. Kennedy?
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Old 02-02-2008, 04:58 PM
 
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Why Barack for me?

He isn't accepting money from lobbyists or PACs.

He spoke out against the war at a time when it took a good deal of courage as a politician to stick your neck out and say so.

He seemed more focused on bringing people together and Hillary is a divisive politician. True, some of it is not her fault but it's the political reality. I can see a lot of Republicans coming out in droves just to defeat Hillary. I agree that she's very intelligent, but the craftiness and political ploys of her campaign seem either intended to create a wedge between races or is just poor judgment - either way not something that instills confidence in her as a candidate.
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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"As a native NYer, I'm ashamed that my native state would elect someone to be Senator who never lived in NY, didn't know the state, and had ZERO qualifications to be its Senator when elected."
Neill: Ever heard of Robert F. Kennedy?
He's right, the Kennedys moved from Brookline to New York because they weren't accepted into Boston society. Robert Kennedy went to school there.
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:26 PM
 
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Why Barack for me?

He isn't accepting money from lobbyists or PACs.

He spoke out against the war at a time when it took a good deal of courage as a politician to stick your neck out and say so.

He seemed more focused on bringing people together and Hillary is a divisive politician. True, some of it is not her fault but it's the political reality. I can see a lot of Republicans coming out in droves just to defeat Hillary. I agree that she's very intelligent, but the craftiness and political ploys of her campaign seem either intended to create a wedge between races or is just poor judgment - either way not something that instills confidence in her as a candidate.
Actually, Obama HAS accepted money from lobbyists. In fact, until very recently, there were lobbyists on his payroll. Only when this became publicly known did he change. Make no mistake: Obama is a politician, just like Clinton. And every politician is "crafty" and engages in "political ploys." Don't think for a minute that Obama doesn't--despite all the media hype and near-religious following he has developed. As for Clinton: I'm unfamiliar with anything she's done to "create a wedge between races."
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:40 PM
 
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P.S. More info:

TheHill.com - Lobbyists on Obama’s ’08 payroll
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