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Old 05-18-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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Not necessarily, but it's clear that the bleeding heart approach isn't working. MA is a case study on that.
How is that clear? Where is the evidence? Pulling random facts and putting them in the same paragraph is not evidence. It is not a proven causation




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Seriously??? The headline of the article mentions fatal ODs.
So you believe everything in the media? Neither the headline nor the article presents valid data or statistical proof of an established relationship. Again, listing two or three different stats does not mean they are related in any way
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Headlines aren't even written by the authors of the article. They're often very unrelated to the content. I thought everyone knew that. Guess not.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Not necessarily, but it's clear that the bleeding heart approach isn't working. MA is a case study on that.
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We don't have a bleeding heart approach at all. Nothing like it. Other areas that have gotten away from this iron fist lock em up approach (which is really about the $$$) have found great success at reducing addiction rates and drug use.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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There is a big difference between "originated as" and a legal prescription. Which is it? Giving or selling a narcotic that was legitimately prescribed to you, to another, is a form of dealing. It's also homicidal, in the case of opiates.
Do you not believe that anyone who was given a legal prescription could get addicted?
this goes back to Rx giving them out like candy...Why?....
Use your head. THEY MADE MONEY from pharma.

These are your monsters. Not the people using them. These Mutherfaccers who wanted to buy boat no. 2 and consciously prescribed 90 Vicodin to a 20 year old when he got his wisdom teeth out.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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How is that clear? Where is the evidence? Pulling random facts and putting them in the same paragraph is not evidence. It is not a proven causation






So you believe everything in the media? Neither the headline nor the article presents valid data or statistical proof of an established relationship. Again, listing two or three different stats does not mean they are related in any way
Where are you trying to go with this? When did the article ever claim any causation effect or established relationship? The common liberal/Libertarian hypothesis is however, that harsher sentences are counterproductive as far as reducing deaths. Interestingly, this suggests otherwise.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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Do you not believe that anyone who was given a legal prescription could get addicted?
this goes back to Rx giving them out like candy...Why?....
Use your head. THEY MADE MONEY from pharma.

These are your monsters. Not the people using them. These Mutherfaccers who wanted to buy boat no. 2 and consciously prescribed 90 Vicodin to a 20 year old when he got his wisdom teeth out.
Obviously, but I doubt that the "40% of ODs" as per the CDC are all legally obtained prescriptions.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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We don't have a bleeding heart approach at all. Nothing like it. Other areas that have gotten away from this iron fist lock em up approach (which is really about the $$$) have found great success at reducing addiction rates and drug use.
Examples?
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Obviously, but I doubt that the "40% of ODs" as per the CDC are all legally obtained prescriptions.
No, but the initial popularity of opiates was indeed due to them being saturated everywhere. They were flooding the streets. Which led to the popularity of heroin. which now is leading to all the Fentanyl deaths.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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No, but the initial popularity of opiates was indeed due to them being saturated everywhere. They were flooding the streets. Which led to the popularity of heroin. which now is leading to all the Fentanyl deaths.
Correct.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Examples?


Iceland is a great one. They DRASTICALLY slashed drug addiction and kids even trying drugs and drinking. They looked into the physiological and psychological health of teens, and invested (government/societal) in sports, arts, and other activities (natural highs). They got away from punishment and focused on why people even started and changed that.


But NOOOOOO, people here would be like, why am I paying taxes for someone else's kid to paint, etc We'd rather pay to (and others reap the profits from) locking them up. We're crazy. Just freaking crazy.


They're rehab treatment process in much of Scandinavia is far cheaper and more effective as well.
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