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Old 02-04-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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it's not happening to the right extent or in the right places.

https://goo.gl/maps/wKprr2Rcb552

That makes no sense at all. You want the mixed use high density stuff clustered around public transportation, not a couple miles from it in Weston where you can't survive without a car. If you can't walk to a commuter rail station, it makes no sense to increase density.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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That makes no sense at all. You want the mixed use high density stuff clustered around public transportation, not a couple miles from it in Weston where you can't survive without a car. If you can't walk to a commuter rail station, it makes no sense to increase density.
Or next to a highway. There is plenty of open land in Weston with very close proximity to 128. Sure next to a Commuter Rail would be preferable, but realistically for every Waltham tech worker family that can't live in Weston is now forced to live in Bellingham instead. That adds to far more congestion.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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That makes no sense at all. You want the mixed use high density stuff clustered around public transportation, not a couple miles from it in Weston where you can't survive without a car. If you can't walk to a commuter rail station, it makes no sense to increase density.
you can't build another commuter rail station until you have the density to support it.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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it's not happening to the right extent or in the right places.

https://goo.gl/maps/wKprr2Rcb552


Then get to work and start your construction and development business. You'll make a ton.


I have no idea why you're posting a link to a street next to a golf course.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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Or next to a highway. There is plenty of open land in Weston with very close proximity to 128. Sure next to a Commuter Rail would be preferable, but realistically for every Waltham tech worker family that can't live in Weston is now forced to live in Bellingham instead. That adds to far more congestion.

As a long term policy thing, what you want to do is use zoning to force employers to cluster around public transportation as well. You don't want cars inside I-495. Bellingham would be a 495 shuttle to a massive commuter rail station for the Worcester line and an employer-provided shuttle from Auburndale that also picks up commuters at the Brandeis or Waltham Fitchburg Line station. Electrified rail at much higher speeds and much higher frequency.
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Old 02-04-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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As a long term policy thing, what you want to do is use zoning to force employers to cluster around public transportation as well. You don't want cars inside I-495. Bellingham would be a 495 shuttle to a massive commuter rail station for the Worcester line and an employer-provided shuttle from Auburndale that also picks up commuters at the Brandeis or Waltham Fitchburg Line station. Electrified rail at much higher speeds and much higher frequency.
Perhaps those things should be implemented anyway, but any long term policy planning should include more people being able to live closer to work. If the almost 5 million people in the Boston metro weren't so geographically dispersed, the infrastructure wouldn't be facing the needs that it does today.
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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Then get to work and start your construction and development business. You'll make a ton.


I have no idea why you're posting a link to a street next to a golf course.

I don't get why ppl are being pugnacious ITT. Everyone here knows the point I'm trying to make and that is we need to get serious about density outside of the neighborhoods within city limits.




We can start with slapping a few dozen of these blocks around 128 and see where that brings us

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Old 02-04-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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I don't get why ppl are being pugnacious ITT. Everyone here knows the point I'm trying to make and that is we need to get serious about density outside of the neighborhoods within city limits.




We can start with slapping a few dozen of these blocks around 128 and see where that brings us

Problem is, that's near short of impossible given the level of local control at play when setting land use policies. Decisions are made in the best interest (or what's perceived "as") of individual communities, at the expense of the broader region.
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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We almost need some kind of "grand bargain" type of intervention to solve a problem like this. People in this country are very protective of land rights and personal property. That is a matter of opinion so there is really no good answer as to how areas like Eastern MA and similar situations can be dealt with.

I've spent a lot of time in a country overseas that deals with this issue in a way that would make many people here call for Civil War 2. But it works. They more or less eminent domain your property (even if it is a multi family like in Greater Boston), but you are given a brand new and more or less equivalent unit for your trouble. I'm not clear on what happens in between your house getting knocked down and something built in its place but many people actually hope for it to happen from what I've heard.

This would never fly in the USA though. But I'd love for someone to come and knock down my ancient 2 family and convey me 2 of the brand new units.
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Old 02-05-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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I've said it before on this forum, and I know I will not make many friends for saying this (not that that's my specialty here anyway), but the Boston area has an EXCESSIVE amount of state/park/protected/conservation land located in prime real estate by transit and highways. It is seriously time to start considering repurposing selected portions of this land for targeted housing development. Not saying we need to pave over every square inch of it like it is New Jersey, or eliminate open space. More like land swaps...develop an area that would be better suited for development, in exchange for protecting a new out of the way area that is better off left alone. BALANCE folks. I do realize I am dreaming.
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