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Old 08-21-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Going back to the casino for a minute, I was reading an article in a Connecticut paper. Seems they are quite bitter about the money that will be migrating with it's opening, plus the marijuana business, expected to produce a flood of buyers from Connecticut.



People in Connecticut however seem to have had no problem for the last two decades with residents of other states going to the Indian casinos with their money.

Hypocrites.
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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People in Connecticut however seem to have had no problem for the last two decades with residents of other states going to the Indian casinos with their money.

Hypocrites.
CT is jealous of MA. Most of CT is not doing very well and Hartford is on the verge of bankruptcy. The MGM casino will be practically on the state line so that's a bitter pill to swallow.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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CT is jealous of MA. Most of CT is not doing very well and Hartford is on the verge of bankruptcy. The MGM casino will be practically on the state line so that's a bitter pill to swallow.

It's amazing to think that the billions they've collected in the state's cut of slot machines and the billions in lottery tickets and being one of the highest taxed states (if not the highest), that Connecticut can have financial problems


Mohegan Sun has 1.4 billion in debt and Foxwoods has 1.9 billion. When their profits fall with the opening of MGM, the states cut (25% of slot revenue I believe) is going to drop too.



I read that after seeing what MGM has done in Springfield, many in CT are regretting not taking private bids on the casino in Enfield, rather than giving it to the tribes. With the debt that Mohegan has, who is going to loan them the money for a casino that doesn't have a chance of competing with MGM?


Mohegan Sun can definitely kiss it's application for a casino license in Eastern Mass goodbye considering A. That it has a lawsuit against the Gaming Commission and B. they are planning their Enfield bingo parlor to compete with MGM, which is set to bring big revenue to the state of Massachusetts.

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Old 08-21-2018, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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Are you going to MGM this weekend?
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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Are you going to MGM this weekend?

Me? No. I'd like to check out the parade before opening, but I might not go until I go to see Aaron Lewis and then do a cruise through after.
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Old 08-22-2018, 07:00 AM
 
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It's almost a wicked irony that The Connecticut Department of Transportation is working with MGM to expedite passengers coming to Springfield on their new CTrail train line. Will the increased train fares they collect offset the pockets full of cash that the Connecticut folks will be bringing to Springfield? Thinking not. Wait til the CT weed buyers start making the trip north.



https://www.masslive.com/business-ne...ringfield.html


Just reading other posts on the Massachusetts forum. Saw 2 so far from people who are moving to Springfield from other states. This is what Springfield needs - WORKING people moving into the area.

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Old 08-22-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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Just reading other posts on the Massachusetts forum. Saw 2 so far from people who are moving to Springfield from other states. This is what Springfield needs - WORKING people moving into the area.

The flip side of this is that MGM considers the local workforce unsuitable so they're recruiting elsewhere. A casino is all about image. They're not going to pluck people out of the projects and give them public-facing jobs. Springfield has a 30% poverty rate. The unemployment rate is 6.5% so pretty much anyone who wants a job can find one. The problem is the usual failed city problem where there's low labor force participation rate and a large fraction of residents with no job skills. 64% of all births are to unwed mothers. Worst in the state. That's the problem that needs to be addressed.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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The flip side of this is that MGM considers the local workforce unsuitable so they're recruiting elsewhere. A casino is all about image.

36% were hired from Springfield, so that's over 1,000. You are right about image though. If the corporate image is across the board (and I suspect it is), the other MGM properties I've stayed at are over-the-top customer oriented. All the staff are immaculately dressed and groomed. And their customer interactions are outstanding. I don't think the average fast food worker would cut it. Besides, Springfield has a high percentage of people who are not really suited for many jobs at all - if they were even interested in applying. It's not MGM's - or any other employer's job to start from scratch in teaching people how to speak and present themselves as professionals.


People have been wringing their hands for centuries over how to "address" poverty. It's not strictly a one way effort. The people themselves have to contribute by doing such things as making their education a greater priority and stop producing all those single parent households. Professors at STCC are astounded that Springfield graduates are barely at a 9th grade level. And GEDs - forget about it! It's pretty common knowledge that the greatest impediment to success is; not graduating, getting pregnant and becoming addicted. All the social programs address those issues AFTER the fact.


Another truism is that people don't change against their will. That is why all the 'addressing' is pointless without co-operation.


Obviously the only way to bring the poverty percentages down is for more people to move into Springfield who got their work ethic elsewhere.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Professors at STCC are astounded that Springfield graduates are barely at a 9th grade level.

How could they possibly be 'astounded'? That's pretty normal at any community college and hardly unique to Springfield. It's remedial high school.



The generational poverty problem starts at a very young age. Age 18 at a community college is too late to salvage most of them. You need massive education reform to fix it. 48 week school year. 9 hour school day starting at pre-K. Not something the unions would support and not something most people want to pay for. Springfield has the worst problem in Massachusetts but the same generational poverty problem exists in the other failed cities.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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How could they possibly be 'astounded'? That's pretty normal at any community college and hardly unique to Springfield. It's remedial high school.



The generational poverty problem starts at a very young age. Age 18 at a community college is too late to salvage most of them. You need massive education reform to fix it. 48 week school year. 9 hour school day starting at pre-K. Not something the unions would support and not something most people want to pay for. Springfield has the worst problem in Massachusetts but the same generational poverty problem exists in the other failed cities.

We're paying for it one way or the other. It's cheaper to pay for it upfront to prevent it, but hey, people in the U.S. are all about "my money, my money" and "they're not my kids, not my responsibility".


There needs to be more than what you propose though, which is a good start. There needs to be hope for the future. For people to keep out of trouble and work (including school work), they need to have opportunity to do so and reason to do so. That work needs to mentally translate into a path to the better.


The issue is the U.S. has incredibly low social mobility. It is very uncommon for a person to say, be born into poverty in the U.S. and move up to middle class, or middle class to upper class. Scandinavia (pretty much all of it), Finland, Canada, Japan, Germany, New Zealand and on and on have better opportunities to improve one's lot in life than the U.S.
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