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Old 08-22-2018, 08:14 PM
 
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Somebody should, as I often do, drive around the Old Hill neighborhood in Springfield. It's had an amazing resurgence in the past few years; more and more decrepit Victorian houses becoming "painted ladies." Gives me hope for the city, as it used to be one of the worst areas. I know I'm an incurable optimist, but this is actual evidence.
Do you mean McKnight historic district— with the college streets (Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton, Cornell) and the romantic Ingersoll Grove? Would like to see it myself again.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:34 PM
 
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I remember the beautiful Maple St area. Last time I drove by, the houses were falling apart and I think some were even being town down. It was a hill as you came into the city.

State St. was lovely too (except my dentist's office was there!!) The corner where the statue of the Puritan stands (or it stood, I don't even know if it's still there) by the library.

I just found an old framed picture with the inscription, "Springfield." Bears no resemblance to the city I once knew--old fashioned people standing around and what looks like a river in the background. So it has always changed. Just wish it would change for the better this time.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:38 PM
 
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Maple Street, Springfield, Mass - Lost New England

Speaking of Maple St. Oh well. I do remember those beautiful mansions. I do not know why anyone would tear them down.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:31 AM
 
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I do mean McKnight, yes. As for the Maple St. mansions, some (not all) were damaged in the tornado a few years ago.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:42 AM
 
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I remember the beautiful Maple St area.

Of course, the crowning touch of Maple Street was the beautiful McDuffy School. When Springfield really started the downslide it looked so out of place, but back in the day, with the Victorian mansions across the street, it must have been like the West Hartford of it's time. As the neighborhood became worse and worse, I imagine the wealthy parents who sent their girls there didn't want them off the gated grounds. It must have been something like a convent. I think they must have been looking to move anyway and the new McDuffy in Granby, while not as 'Oxford looking' is a lot safer.



It was really sad when the tornado took down some of the beautiful old oak trees around the school. Have they done anything with the school?



Speaking of the tornado, that was a day to remember. I was coming home from work and had just got off the Longmeadow exit onto 91 north. I didn't get far before the traffic stopped. I had been listening to the radio all day, so had heard the tornado warnings. I looked across the river and saw a big black plume. I thought the power station was on fire, because it was right above it. Then I saw the debris swirling and realized what I was looking at. It crossed the river, and lifted a column of water into the air. It crossed 91, right over the cars, but didn't touch down onto the highway, then crossed into Court Square. When the traffic got moving again, you could look down into Court Square and see those beautiful old trees down. The following day, though I felt guilty doing it, I drove around with the rest of the gawkers, and couldn't believe the level of damage. A very tragic day for Springfield.


Picture of McDuffy after the tornado
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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The macduffie school is actually sold off before the tornado and the day before it actually became Commonwealth Academy a charter school.
https://www.springfieldcommonwealth.org
I think they're doing some work on their sign currently but there are many windows I think they're still boarded up. It does still operate as a charter school occasionally I might see commercials for McDuffie itself which is at a new location.

I have a great respect for historical buildings but sometimes they can be conflicts between maintaining something historically in at the same time keeping up with modern building code and such things such as Ada.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:38 AM
 
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Well head start and kindergarten and school, in general is supposed to be kind of like that. A lot of times it just frees up mom to hang out with the boyfriends. The trouble is that you can't force anyone to do anything without someone being outraged, and outrage is the stuff media dreams are made of.


Remember when they limited welfare for two years unless the mother was getting some kind of training? That's when all those schools giving out useless diplomas for things like 'medical transcribing' popped up. They were happy to give out those government backed student loans because they knew the student would A. never finish the course and B. never pay back the loan themselves and that the government would. You can't scare people with the treat of bad credit when they already have it, and you can't get loan payments from someone who has no money.


More social workers? They can't find people who want to do those jobs now.


It always comes down to more and just the right combination of social programs and THEN we'll make some headway. I'd love to know just how many dozens of social programs there are now. I'm sure the number is very high.
Actually medical transcribing is a field. The chargemaster for hospitals dictates the amount that they actually charge and at the same point there's really only two major medical software companies in the country. This being meditech out of Westwood and epic out of the Midwest somewhere. The complete medical Industries filled with any efficiencies that come not only from government but themselves.Christian Terwiesch a professor at the Wharton School at UPenn has been riding a detailing this for years. I can't begin to tell you how many times I received a medical bill and many friends of mine that say it's not a bill but between the insurance company and the medical provider they go back and forth sometimes from 6 months determining how much is going to be paid.

Going back to Maslow and needs an economy has to start on the lower level first. You aren't going to expect jobs requiring a doctorate degree and ten years experience. One thing that does stand out at least to me is that there is a wide range of vocational schools within the region period between Putnam High School, stcc, asanuntuck, Smith and whatever remains of Dean


This is not to say that there aren't always other jobs available in many cases there could be a proprietary nature that makes some positions not hard from an educational standpoint but just a general learning curve.

Some of the deeper issues that exist if you strip out say drugs and crime is that there can be many businesses inherited by people but there's an overall lack of vision going beyond the 1990s. I think there's something to be said that when I attend valleyventurementors talking about SEO practices, marketability and looking for applicable business advice and then a few miles down the street you've got small shops that don't even have a website. If you have a restaurant these days you have to look at your Yelp review so you don't have a choice. If you don't put your information out there for basic operations like hours of operating days of operating contact information other ones will know just going to go around it. I looked up recording studios for the heck of it and found three within the region two of them of websites and one of them doesn't I'm not a musician but I can tell you that I can think of at least a good 5 questions to ask that any Studio should be able to answer.

What I mentioned earlier about that area that has a police kiosk bike sharing a new playground and trees is now a new park. Right across the street to homes are for sale and I think those are by the owners that are not occupying them. In other words the owners feel so confident that they can sell these homes now that they will.

I was out for about 5 days and came back yesterday and noticed some other changes. There's a whole area on Main Street facing the casino that now has signs facing pedestrians on the ground level as they walk. Two small businesses just relocated there.

Right now parking and traffic is the concern of what I've been hearing. The casino opens up tomorrow the schools start on Monday and the Big E A few weeks later. A new act has been announced for the fall it's Bob Dylan I can understand them personally but if you can and you're willing to spend the money he's coming down
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:42 AM
 
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Mandatory drug testing has been tried many times. Always a total failure. Huge amounts of money spent on testing, very low positive result rates. Tremendous net loss of money.

Failed by what measure? The only thing I have seen is that the positives are low. Isn't that a good thing? Could it be remotely possible that it's a deterrent? Massachusetts has a very high drug use rate. The money is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the system overall.

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I like the idea of cookable food, personally. Of course, we then need to make sure the people have the facilities to cook the food. That comes with an expense. And the corporate food industry would never allow the legislature to do that. "Food stamps" were more of a U.S. agricultural and food industry subsidy as it was/is a safety net. Lots of lobbying money by those folks.

You're right, it will never happen.

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That leaves shame. I don't think we want to shame people for being poor. Maybe some do. Of course, we would have to invest into a large system to create/staff/stock these food kitchens, and transportation to them. I don't see that happening.
The people who are ashamed, are ashamed anyway and do their damn best to get off the system. Then there are those who just don't care and never will. I don't think that would change much. The point isn't necessarily to save money (short term), but to add accountability and perhaps benefit the people it is intended to help (ie. healthier meals). Free handouts with no strings attached rarely have a good outcome. Some may in the end decide they are entitled to a diet of Red Bull and hot pockets, and decide the system is no longer worth the degradation that it brings. Work might not be so bad after all, especially with that $15 min. wage coming.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:43 AM
 
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Actually medical transcribing is a field. The chargemaster for hospitals dictates the amount that they actually charge and at the same point there's really only two major medical software companies in the country. This being meditech out of Westwood and epic out of the Midwest somewhere.


Madison, or right outside of Madison more exactly. Huge campus. One of the few bright spots in the Wisconsin modern economy under the anti intellectual administration controlling my favorite state.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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Failed by what measure? The only thing I have seen is that the positives are low. Isn't that a good thing? Could it be remotely possible that it's a deterrent? Massachusetts has a very high drug use rate. The money is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the system overall.
Failed in that it found very few positive tests and costs a lot of money. If you want to spend more money for no net benefit, that's fine. I do not. It has mostly been related to TANF benefits, and on average the states that have tried it have a less than 1% positive rate and spend an incredible amount on it. It's wasting money. I don't like wasting money to deter people from doing things that aren't an issue.

I've never seen anything indicating that Mass is a high drug use state. I've seen data on arrest rates, and rehab rates, but those are indicators of systems, policy, and availability, not drug use rates. Maybe that data is out there, but I've not seen it. Massachusetts does have one of the lowest per capita drug abuse violations rates, for instance, but that doesn't indicate much. We're very low on meth lab incidents. Low on opioid sales, but pretty high on overdoses. Weed, well who cares.



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The people who are ashamed, are ashamed anyway and do their damn best to get off the system. Then there are those who just don't care and never will. I don't think that would change much. The point isn't necessarily to save money (short term), but to add accountability and perhaps benefit the people it is intended to help (ie. healthier meals). Free handouts with no strings attached rarely have a good outcome. Some may in the end decide they are entitled to a diet of Red Bull and hot pockets, and decide the system is no longer worth the degradation that it brings. Work might not be so bad after all, especially with that $15 min. wage coming.


You're right. Increasing the benefit to working should help. And if you're willing to spend more tax money, like I am, to try to change the multi generational dynamic, I'm with you.
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