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Old 08-15-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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I don't really know anything about Springfield. I'm just saying it would be naïve to think that organized crime doesn't have a role in major construction projects in the northeast.
So true. They seem to control anything to do with cement, for one thing. I don't know that much about the mob but I know their local headquarters were in the south end. It was kind of nice to look the other way and think that they were gone--but I don't think they ever really go away. Could be the mob that was responsible for the mess that was the Big Dig, the bad cement and having a portion of the highway collapse on a car, killing someone.

I don't like to think that they might get another foot hold in Springfield with the new casino, in some way or another. I guess whatever is built, they will be in on it. They may get jailed, killed, etc. but they never really go away.
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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I don't really know anything about Springfield. I'm just saying it would be naïve to think that organized crime doesn't have a role in major construction projects in the northeast.

You can't just claim something based on no examples. So tell me how you know this - with concrete examples.


You can see some of the other construction projects undertaken by Tishman, the contractor for MGM here, from the World Trade Center and Lincoln Center to the major hotels in Dubai. This isn't Joe Blow's Home Improvement.


https://www.aecom.com/projects/?fpp=4
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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Has the casino down in SE CT really made a difference for that area? It's brought in tax revenue but did it actually help the surrounding towns? I don't know. I don't think it had much effect though.
I heard there was a large increase in the transient population (and associated crime and other ills) of nearby towns like Norwich.


In Bangor, ME where they built the Hollywood Slots near downtown; it did spur a bit of economic development (mostly restaurants/bars) and downtown renewal. But likewise, there was also a noticeable increase in crime and transience. The opiate epidemic could be partially to blame, hard to say because it happened over the same timeframe.
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:13 PM
 
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I know their local headquarters were in the south end.

The Springfield mob is the strip clubs, a few bars and little else
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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I heard there was a large increase in the transient population (and associated crime and other ills) of nearby towns like Norwich.


In Bangor, ME where they built the Hollywood Slots near downtown; it did spur a bit of economic development (mostly restaurants/bars) and downtown renewal. But likewise, there was also a noticeable increase in crime and transience. The opiate epidemic could be partially to blame, hard to say because it happened over the same timeframe.

One would be hard pressed to correlate the opiate epidemic with the old retirees feeding the slot machines, or any other crime, for that matter. What attraction, do you imagine, that a casino has for transients? I'd say about zero. Just randomly assigning blame for social ills based on something you heard needs some back-up, or at least some logical guesses as to why one relates to the other.


An increase in transients is usually related to the opening of more social programs in an area, and I don't think a casino fits that category.
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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I don't really know anything about Springfield. I'm just saying it would be naïve to think that organized crime doesn't have a role in major construction projects in the northeast.
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You can't just claim something based on no examples. So tell me how you know this - with concrete examples.
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One would be hard pressed to correlate the opiate epidemic with the old retirees feeding the slot machines, or any other crime, for that matter. What attraction, do you imagine, that a casino has for transients? I'd say about zero. Just randomly assigning blame for social ills based on something you heard needs some back-up, or at least some logical guesses as to why one relates to the other.
I am not trying to be disrespectful but please do your own research.

It's common knowledge that mafia and construction go together. Ditto with casino and crime.

Here's a couple basic Google searches to get you started:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mafia+construction

https://www.google.com/search?q=casino+crime
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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I am not trying to be disrespectful but please do your own research.

It's common knowledge that mafia and construction go together. Ditto with casino and crime.

Here's a couple basic Google searches to get you started:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mafia+construction

https://www.google.com/search?q=casino+crime

Two things on the Google searches you provided. Firstly, although they correlated an 8% increase in crime to casinos, I couldn't find any list of those crimes. Crimes can include speeding and walking out on a restaurant check, so, without that list the research means nothing.


Secondly, in regards to the mob and construction I still don't see how that relates to the casino. If they were building a hospital or an office building, would that be a factor in disapproving of their construction? It's pretty common knowledge that the unions and organized crime have had links back to before Jimmy Hoffa. So what's your point?


No matter what the attraction, there were/are factions against it. There are people who annually complain about the Big E, there are people who opposed Six Flags, some complain about Bright Nights traffic. I realize that some people never venture from their homes and can't understand why others do, but Jeez, the region can't survive on the convenience of empty streets. If you remember there was once talk of moving the Patriots to Western Mass. OMG, the whining and letters to the editor......
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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The Springfield mob is the strip clubs, a few bars and little else
Maybe now, but it used to be a lot worse. Northampton was a mess too before they jailed some of them and mostly put an end to the mob there. West Springfield used to have a problem--don't know if they still do.

Maybe it's hard to find studies to back up what the mob does, but when you hear things from people who know, there's probably some credibility to it. A Springfield restaurant owner told the person doing his taxes that all restaurants that buy mozzarella have to buy it from the mob. It sounds trivial but it's probably just the tip of the iceberg. Once they get their foot in the door, where does it end.

They love construction, restaurants, entertainment. Place it all in their beloved south end of Springfield, and you've got a recipe for a comeback on the mob. (I wonder how the residents of Longmeadow are taking this.)
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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I wonder how the residents of Longmeadow are taking this.

That should be the least of anyone's concerns. They are all set - what do they care if there are jobs for the rest of the peons in the area?


Let's have no construction, no restaurants, no entertainment - that will flush 'em out.
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Old 08-15-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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That should be the least of anyone's concerns. They are all set - what do they care if there are jobs for the rest of the peons in the area?


Let's have no construction, no restaurants, no entertainment - that will flush 'em out.
Just saying that if I lived in one of the nicer towns I don't think I'd be too happy with the mess of traffic that rte 91 will become. It goes right though Longmeadow. Maybe they'll all move to East Longmeadow which is a pretty good town and not have to put up with greatly increased traffic and probably increased crime.

This thing is going to be open 24 hours a day. Never closes.

(I wonder how the elite around Wellesley MA would react to a proposal to dump a huge casino on rte 9 in their backyard.)

I would much rather have seen Boston invest in WMass with some business expansion--or something. But it is what it is. A resort casino. In the south end of Springfield. Still I hope it's successful, hope something can finally go right for Springfield.
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