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Old 08-15-2018, 07:31 PM
 
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Huh..ok a few things.

1) The mob is generally gone. Some people technically miss it because back in the day if something happened it would be a fight in a back ally and not seen. I've even heard an old story of someone that lost money in a underground gaming event and found himself broke. Supposedly he was provided a large fruit basket for the kids and told never to show up again. Now there could be kids of former mob bosses around but there's really no crime from them. Gangs took their place but some weren't "real" "bloods" so to speak. I know Latin Kings and Hell's Angels are active. Latin Kings actually has bylaws (I'm dead serious). I'd argue it's those two and some fake wannabe gangs. If there is violence it's usually targeted towards those either using or dealing drugs or in gangs.




The Hells Angels are no threat to anyone - I know several of those guys - they have well paid jobs and have no interest in being high profile. That is general all over the country. It's not the old California Motorcycle Club scene like in the movies anymore.


Anyway, I'm pretty excited to see where the casino will be headed. Having an International company that knows how to operate a high quality business opening in Springfield.


On a side note: A couple of guys I know who are retired corrections officers got hired for security, a friend of mines son, who was a table dealer in Vegas is coming home to work in Springfield, and the wife of a friend got a job there too. That's 4 people I know whose financial situation has improved and they'll be spending those paychecks right here. I'm retired, myself, but if it wasn't for my bad back, I'd be applying there myself.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:51 AM
 
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OK, it wasn't all that long ago that Providence and New Haven were considered dumps along with Hartford, Worcester and various other places. The narrative has shifted significantly: Providence is discussed very favorably and New Haven is getting a much better narrative these days. Even Worcester is being talked about as having come back. So why not Springfield? The narrative doesn't change the underlying challenges of concentrated poverty and low-performing schools: I'm guessing kids in Providence aren't doing all that well just because Providence is now the darling New England city; and maybe poorer kids in Portland Me aren't doing so well either even if they are nearly all white. Boutiques, breweries, galleries, good restaurants and airbnb listings may not do much for the poor and working class but they surely do change the way people talk and think about cities and that's what the casino and the railroad station can help do for Springfield, give it a nudge in an upward direction.

Oh please. Providence has Brown University. New Haven has Yale. The areas around the colleges are fine since the universities spawn lots of 6 figure jobs. Both cities still have plenty of ghetto. Springfield has nothing like that. Physicians at Bay State Medical and that's about it. They don't live in Springfield and likely never will.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:55 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Thanks for the pics. They did seem to do a nice job.


Do they have a concert venue like Foxwoods? It's the only reason I can ever see going.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:55 AM
 
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It certainly blends in, doesn't it? I hope the restaurants are good because if they are people are more likely to visit the casino after dinner.

Huh? You have this backwards. People go to the casino and never leave. Casinos have no clocks on the walls. Casinos have no windows. Casinos have food on site. The whole point is to keep you in the casino.
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:18 AM
 
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Just saying that if I lived in one of the nicer towns I don't think I'd be too happy with the mess of traffic that rte 91 will become. It goes right though Longmeadow. Maybe they'll all move to East Longmeadow which is a pretty good town and not have to put up with greatly increased traffic and probably increased crime.

This thing is going to be open 24 hours a day. Never closes.

(I wonder how the elite around Wellesley MA would react to a proposal to dump a huge casino on rte 9 in their backyard.)

I would much rather have seen Boston invest in WMass with some business expansion--or something. But it is what it is. A resort casino. In the south end of Springfield. Still I hope it's successful, hope something can finally go right for Springfield.

Casinos don't generate periods of peak traffic congestion like rush hour. Casino peak traffic hours are Friday and Saturday evenings. The traffic on the I-91 viaduct on Fridays will get a bit worse. I imagine foliage season and the ski holiday long weekends will be the worst from people fleeing Connecticut for Vermont.


Why would a casino in Springfield produce crime in Longmeadow? Longmeadow already has a big police presence to limit property crime from the unwashed masses to the north.
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:51 AM
 
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Huh? You have this backwards. People go to the casino and never leave. Casinos have no clocks on the walls. Casinos have no windows. Casinos have food on site. The whole point is to keep you in the casino.

I have been to casinos all over the country as part of my former job, and you are correct. However, I have never seen one where all the restaurants open onto the main street of the city right downtown. I'm sure that once you're inside the slot and table set-ups are the same as anywhere else with controlled lighting to make you lose track of time, but if you're doing anything else, you're part of downtown. The restaurants don't even look they are part of the casino. If you work downtown, you could go in for lunch and never even enter the casino.


At the moment, there are almost no options for restaurants if you're coming out of a hockey game or staying at one of the hotels for business. Most of the restaurants are clustered down at the Hall of Fame - not walking distance from the Marriott or Sheraton. Having a few more options is an improvement and create a bit of foot traffic on the street too.


I don't know what the bs is about crime, other than an attempt to clutch at straws to bolster an argument. The overwhelming majority of casino customers are middle aged and over, middle class people and that is true whether you go to San Diego, Wisconsin or Uncasville. They aren't looking to break into houses in Longmeadow or buy crack on the street. They are there to p*ss away their money, which as adults who have worked to earn that money are free to do anything they choose with it.


Speaking of money. The percentages of pay-off on slots are pre-set, so I'm sure they will be set to pay off high in the initial weeks so I bet you'll see lots of pictures of grannies holding giant checks after opening - until it goes back to normal.

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Old 08-16-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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Huh? You have this backwards. People go to the casino and never leave. Casinos have no clocks on the walls. Casinos have no windows. Casinos have food on site. The whole point is to keep you in the casino.
Yes, I know. I've been to many casinos. If the restaurants weren't good, I wouldn't go.

Just like the one in RI, the restaurants are bad there.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:12 AM
 
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Thanks for the pics. They did seem to do a nice job.


Do they have a concert venue like Foxwoods? It's the only reason I can ever see going.

They don't have a concert venue. They will be bringing in shows to the Mass Mutual Center and Symphony Hall. All the better to spread the activity downtown, unlike the self contained casinos.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:19 AM
 
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Yes, I know. I've been to many casinos. If the restaurants weren't good, I wouldn't go.

Just like the one in RI, the restaurants are bad there.

Yes, the casino in Rhode Island is horrible. I don't know what company runs it. I have stayed at MGM in Vegas and been to a couple of MGM properties elsewhere and everything they do is top notch. I'm sure the Chandler steak house and Cal Mar Italian restaurant will be first class with proper chefs. Plus, there's a food court type area inside as well. Mark Walburg is also looking to open one of his Walburger Restaurants in Springfield on the casino strip. Here's what they look like inside https://www.mgmspringfield.com/en/restaurants.html

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Old 08-16-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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On the top of the gangs I can say that there are people that think that they're creating their own local versions of gangs so maybe it's a fake chapter of Hells Angels. I don't think it would take that much for somebody to buy a patch online put on a jean jacket by motorcycle try to claim to be a member. Does it hijack an image? Absolutely but that could be What's Happening Here.

As for casinos not having clocks of windows I haven't seen the inside of MGM yet so I can't really tell. In many respects the vision of casinos in the Northeast is largely based on Foxwoods Mohegan Sun those are Native American casinos and those get run quite a bit differently.

I'm not concerned about violent crime in Springfield or at least within the downtown. What I am concerned about is more white collar crime. You leave a laptop or cell phone open for a bit someone gets into your email and commits ID theft etc. The casino has their own security of Pit Bosses and they'll be able to spot things like loaded dice maybe even counting cards. When I talk about cameras I'm talking about London level security. Union Station is a federal property and can technically filter it out more. In addition the loop that goes to the casino also goes to the Basketball Hall of Fame and the museums, court square and Union Station. It faces out and not in.


In addition I also know that the new trash barrels are primarily designed to prevent people from getting cans out of them. Anybody that attempts to open them would be opening them while on the street which of course would be more noticeable than arbitrarily reaching an arm in.


In terms of entertainment there's some venues that are planned already. Stevie Wonder's coming I believe September 1st, Bill burr October first, November 9th is the big one. Dl Higley, Cedric the entertainer, Eddie griffin and George Lopez that one will sell out fast.
https://www.mgmspringfield.com/en/en...al-center.html

Arron Lewis September 9th,

A prince dedication Sept 18th

Felipe Esparza Sept 29th.

As it stands now I see mostly comedy and music down the line they have to do something with sports I know the AHL All-Star game is in December but eventually I think they have to put some type of boxing match on. Maybe they could try to bring more college sports to play at the MassMutual Center but it depends. There is an ABA team called the sting but I haven't heard that much lately.
If I tried to bring UFC in or MMA I think that might be deemed as not family friendly.

As for Longmeadow they have that budget crisis on the horizon. I'm sorry but a 10% cut to the budget in any Community would be devastating. The rail lowers the need to drive into it. Any place that is just houses eventually stops growing. You don't need criminals to do anything when nature takes its course 10% of houses are structural deficient. The building inspector already warned on this. 96% of their budget is taxable residences. If they though they could do it alone they wouldn't be asking for aid.

https://www.masslive.com/business-ne...undations.html

"Both Foster and Longmeadow Town Manager Stephen Crane said the solution must come from state and federal agencies. That's where the funding is."

Right... Let's bailout affluent peoples homes. That will sell right? Meanwhile there's plenty of housing in Springfield and Hartford not bothered by this and the transit linking both cities. Banks are refusing to finance and refinance properties until they are tested. Any property owner that refuses to test will be implied it is faulty. Every house should be tested, regardless of if they are selling. I have a friend that bought a house in Phoenix years ago and he moved largely because much of the properties around him were incomplete during the bubble in 08. Same argument.


I heard a little rumor Bruno Mars might be at the opener but it's hard to say. I know of drum band that was supposed to perform but things changed so it's hard to say.
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