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Old 08-16-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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I've stayed at the MGM in Las Vegas. Other than the breakfast buffet, I don't think we ate there. My in-laws used to live there so my MIL thought it was a good hotel for families. We always had kids with us so we found that buffets work the best.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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On the top of the gangs I can say that there are people that think that they're creating their own local versions of gangs so maybe it's a fake chapter of Hells Angels. I don't think it would take that much for somebody to buy a patch online put on a jean jacket by motorcycle try to claim to be a member. Does it hijack an image? Absolutely but that could be What's Happening Here.

Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about in regards to motorcycle clubs. The local chapter is part of HA International. They are very protective of their copyrighted logo and have high priced lawyers to protect it. This is territory I know quite a bit about it is not based on television shows. With the club house under constant surveillance by every crime task force known to man, there is no hanky panky - I can assure you. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

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Old 08-16-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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As for Longmeadow they have that budget crisis on the horizon. I'm sorry but a 10% cut to the budget in any Community would be devastating. The rail lowers the need to drive into it. Any place that is just houses eventually stops growing.

This is total nonsense. Longmeadow is a suburban bedroom town with a top school system. It funds the town budget almost entirely through property taxes and the town part of motor vehicle taxes. The vast majority of the town budget is the gold plated school system. Longmeadow isn't going to be a less desirable suburban bedroom town because 10% of the homes need foundation remediation. It costs about $10K to retrofit concrete piers. So what?
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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"Both Foster and Longmeadow Town Manager Stephen Crane said the solution must come from state and federal agencies. That's where the funding is."

Right... Let's bailout affluent peoples homes.

Considering that a great many are in the top tax bracket and pay an extraordinary amount of state and federal taxes, I would hardly phrase it as "let's bail out the affluent". If anything, they have been bailing out everyone else. Referring back to the Springfield demographic that was posted, I doubt many of the residents of Springfield are paying for the plethora of social programs in the city. It's the people who actually contribute to the system. I suspect that few of the people traipsing through the courts and into the prisons are Longmeadow residents - they are the ones who pay for all of that. So, if some of their taxes come back into the town, I wouldn't call it 'aid'.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about in regards to motorcycle clubs. The local chapter is part of HA International. They are very protective of their copyrighted logo and have high priced lawyers to protect it. This is territory I know quite a bit about it is not based on television shows. With the club house under constant surveillance by every crime task force known to man, there is no hanky panky - I can assure you. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Certainly I get that. But that did happen with the fake bloods gang in springfield. Someone created their own group that said they were bloods. Then the actual bloods showed up and it wasn't pretty. Any group in the world can easily have some dissent members that try to branch off. We do have the right to form associations and there's nothing wrong with clubs on any number of topics.

"This is total nonsense. Longmeadow is a suburban bedroom town with a top school system. It funds the town budget almost entirely through property taxes and the town part of motor vehicle taxes. The vast majority of the town budget is the gold plated school system. Longmeadow isn't going to be a less desirable suburban bedroom town because 10% of the homes need foundation remediation. It costs about $10K to retrofit concrete piers. So what?"

Who told you 10K did you read the article or not. It's 75K to 200K. Talk to State Senator Eric lesser. You have absolutely no idea the impact of this situation. I realize that in Mass this is only getting a tad of press but in CT it's huge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/n...worthless.html

"Insurers have generally refused to pay for repairs, strictly defining the coverage of collapse by inserting the word “abrupt” in policy language. Repairing the homes requires replacing the entire foundation at costs that typically range from $100,000 to over $200,000. So far, 223 residents have filed formal complaints about crumbling foundations with the department, but officials believe many homeowners may be reluctant to contact the state, fearing problems from their banks and insurers.

Where do you get 10K from? We're talking about the ENTIRE FOUNDATION not just piers. I don't think you've done construction have you?

Part 2: Who's To Blame For Crumbling Foundations? - Hartford Courant

"Linda Tofolowsky first noticed web-like cracks in her basement walls in 1991, six years after she and her husband bought their Tolland house for $79,900. She would eventually replace the entire foundation for $68,000. "It's like paying for your house twice," she said."

Yeah that's 10K alright. Furthermore if it was 10K *WHY* would they go to the state and federal government for this? If it was 10K it would have been solved by now.

https://ctmirror.org/2018/06/04/huds...g-foundations/
"Vincent Perracchio said repairing all the damage in their basement and garage would cost about $220,000 alone, not including the work needed on the rest of the house. He said they will likely move in the fall, but will continue to pay the mortgage and insurance while waiting for potential relief funding."

Again well beyond 10K

"Last month, the General Assembly voted to impose a $12 annual surcharge on homeowners’ insurance policies, contributing about $9.3 million yearly to a relief fund for residents facing complicated repairs costing as much as $250,000."

https://ctmirror.org/2018/05/05/ct-h...g-foundations/
"Rep. Gregg Haddad, D-Mansfield, said one of his constituents is a retired teacher who found the price of saving her home will be $226,000.

“This is not a problem, this is a crisis,” said Rep. Kurt Vail, R-Stafford.

Rep. Kelly Juleson-Scopino, D-Manchester, rose to share a story known to only some colleagues: Her home’s foundation is crumbling. The dream house she purchased for $300,000 in 2012 is now valued at $86,000."

Crumbling concrete is devastating home values - News - The Bulletin - Norwich, CT
“There is a tremendous emotional toll of waking up every day and knowing that their house is falling apart,” Tolland Town Manager Steve Werbner, whose town is seeing a heavy impact, said. “The good news is that this isn’t something that is immediate so if you deal with it in an organized fashion you could address a large number of homes.”

He said Tolland, which went through a building boom in recent decades, saw 1,000 homes built. If 25 percent were affected, it would be a $93 million problem. The estimate to replace the faulty foundations is between $150,000 and $250,000 — more than the value of many homes."

Again well beyond 10K.

I've heard estimates for CT alone could be 4 billion. The state doesn't have it, the towns don't and the feds might not want to do this politically.

Here's longmeadow itself
https://www.masslive.com/business-ne...D1326500016107

"Russell and Tatiana Dupere have a major construction project planned this summer at their Lonmeadow dream home. But this is not an HGTV-inspired makeover. Contractors will jack the Dupere home up and scoop out the failing, crumbling foundations, footings and floors made from pyrrhotite-tainted concrete. Then, contractors will replace all that cast concrete and set the house back down. The job will cost about $325,000. It's money Russell Dupere, an attorney, said he's borrowing and withdrawing from savings."

Again way more than 10K.

Many of the things that are happening in springfield are happening for locations and not specifically due to the city itself. Rail service for example is because there's frankly no way to go from VT to NYC without passing though. Pope Francis was probably chosen for springfield because Chicopee would require higher remediation costs.

This foundation issue along with the casino is why houses in springfield (and to a point hartford) are suddenly being flipped for 2 to 3 times their price. Housing inventory is tight. Talk to any real estate agent and they'll agree. But when you actual take homes out of existence that naturally drives up prices on homes that can sell legally as houses. This is a Hurricane Katrina in slow motion. I drive down rt 83 about twice a week and I do see cracks in foundations and saw a family living in a trailer in east longmeadow while their house is being worked on. Even if the feds shell out 4 billion do the contractors exist for this? How long would it take? it takes two to four weeks to make a foundation and another two months to let it sit that is assuming the weather is ok. Excavation generally stops once the ground freezes. Keep in mind we're talking up to 34,000 homes in CT and 400 in longmeadow. This could take quite some time. A beautiful 400K home in Longmeadow is now worth 100K meanwhile a 75K house in springfield is being flipped for 225K at the same time. This is going on right now.

Again well beyond 10K. If it was just 10K most would be able to afford it and it would be done. When you talk hundreds of thousands that's draining out 401k's and IRA's maybe college funds. Meanwhile the town cannot tax property as a dwelling if no one can live there. It's only a matter of time before the budget gets cut. They could try raising taxes for the difference but it won't sell politically.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Please use the quote function, it makes it so much more readable. Thank you.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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Certainly I get that. But that did happen with the fake bloods gang in springfield. Someone created their own group that said they were bloods. Then the actual bloods showed up and it wasn't pretty. Any group in the world can easily have some dissent members that try to branch off. We do have the right to form associations and there's nothing wrong with clubs on any number of topics.

"This is total nonsense. Longmeadow is a suburban bedroom town with a top school system. It funds the town budget almost entirely through property taxes and the town part of motor vehicle taxes. The vast majority of the town budget is the gold plated school system. Longmeadow isn't going to be a less desirable suburban bedroom town because 10% of the homes need foundation remediation. It costs about $10K to retrofit concrete piers. So what?"

Who told you 10K did you read the article or not. It's 75K to 200K. Talk to State Senator Eric lesser. You have absolutely no idea the impact of this situation. I realize that in Mass this is only getting a tad of press but in CT it's huge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/n...worthless.html

"Insurers have generally refused to pay for repairs, strictly defining the coverage of collapse by inserting the word “abrupt” in policy language. Repairing the homes requires replacing the entire foundation at costs that typically range from $100,000 to over $200,000. So far, 223 residents have filed formal complaints about crumbling foundations with the department, but officials believe many homeowners may be reluctant to contact the state, fearing problems from their banks and insurers.

Where do you get 10K from? We're talking about the ENTIRE FOUNDATION not just piers. I don't think you've done construction have you?

Part 2: Who's To Blame For Crumbling Foundations? - Hartford Courant

"Linda Tofolowsky first noticed web-like cracks in her basement walls in 1991, six years after she and her husband bought their Tolland house for $79,900. She would eventually replace the entire foundation for $68,000. "It's like paying for your house twice," she said."

Yeah that's 10K alright. Furthermore if it was 10K *WHY* would they go to the state and federal government for this? If it was 10K it would have been solved by now.

https://ctmirror.org/2018/06/04/huds...g-foundations/
"Vincent Perracchio said repairing all the damage in their basement and garage would cost about $220,000 alone, not including the work needed on the rest of the house. He said they will likely move in the fall, but will continue to pay the mortgage and insurance while waiting for potential relief funding."

Again well beyond 10K

"Last month, the General Assembly voted to impose a $12 annual surcharge on homeowners’ insurance policies, contributing about $9.3 million yearly to a relief fund for residents facing complicated repairs costing as much as $250,000."

https://ctmirror.org/2018/05/05/ct-h...g-foundations/
"Rep. Gregg Haddad, D-Mansfield, said one of his constituents is a retired teacher who found the price of saving her home will be $226,000.

“This is not a problem, this is a crisis,” said Rep. Kurt Vail, R-Stafford.

Rep. Kelly Juleson-Scopino, D-Manchester, rose to share a story known to only some colleagues: Her home’s foundation is crumbling. The dream house she purchased for $300,000 in 2012 is now valued at $86,000."

Crumbling concrete is devastating home values - News - The Bulletin - Norwich, CT
“There is a tremendous emotional toll of waking up every day and knowing that their house is falling apart,” Tolland Town Manager Steve Werbner, whose town is seeing a heavy impact, said. “The good news is that this isn’t something that is immediate so if you deal with it in an organized fashion you could address a large number of homes.”

He said Tolland, which went through a building boom in recent decades, saw 1,000 homes built. If 25 percent were affected, it would be a $93 million problem. The estimate to replace the faulty foundations is between $150,000 and $250,000 — more than the value of many homes."

Again well beyond 10K.

I've heard estimates for CT alone could be 4 billion. The state doesn't have it, the towns don't and the feds might not want to do this politically.

Here's longmeadow itself
https://www.masslive.com/business-ne...D1326500016107

"Russell and Tatiana Dupere have a major construction project planned this summer at their Lonmeadow dream home. But this is not an HGTV-inspired makeover. Contractors will jack the Dupere home up and scoop out the failing, crumbling foundations, footings and floors made from pyrrhotite-tainted concrete. Then, contractors will replace all that cast concrete and set the house back down. The job will cost about $325,000. It's money Russell Dupere, an attorney, said he's borrowing and withdrawing from savings."

Again way more than 10K.

Many of the things that are happening in springfield are happening for locations and not specifically due to the city itself. Rail service for example is because there's frankly no way to go from VT to NYC without passing though. Pope Francis was probably chosen for springfield because Chicopee would require higher remediation costs.

This foundation issue along with the casino is why houses in springfield (and to a point hartford) are suddenly being flipped for 2 to 3 times their price. Housing inventory is tight. Talk to any real estate agent and they'll agree. But when you actual take homes out of existence that naturally drives up prices on homes that can sell legally as houses. This is a Hurricane Katrina in slow motion. I drive down rt 83 about twice a week and I do see cracks in foundations and saw a family living in a trailer in east longmeadow while their house is being worked on. Even if the feds shell out 4 billion do the contractors exist for this? How long would it take? it takes two to four weeks to make a foundation and another two months to let it sit that is assuming the weather is ok. Excavation generally stops once the ground freezes. Keep in mind we're talking up to 34,000 homes in CT and 400 in longmeadow. This could take quite some time. A beautiful 400K home in Longmeadow is now worth 100K meanwhile a 75K house in springfield is being flipped for 225K at the same time. This is going on right now.

Again well beyond 10K. If it was just 10K most would be able to afford it and it would be done. When you talk hundreds of thousands that's draining out 401k's and IRA's maybe college funds. Meanwhile the town cannot tax property as a dwelling if no one can live there. It's only a matter of time before the budget gets cut. They could try raising taxes for the difference but it won't sell politically.

You don't need to replace an entire foundation to remediate against defective concrete. You install concrete piers. It's a $10K repair that's done all the time all over the country. It's not jacking up the whole house, removing the existing foundation, and pouring a new one.


Besides. Why would you care? You rent in Springfield, right? So some physician in Longmeadow has a 6 figure home repair. Welcome to home ownership. I spent $230K on my house and a big chunk of that was repairing defects. In my Winchester house, I had crews in the house for 2 years. I had my morning coffee with carpenters, painters, roofers, and the rest for 2 years.
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Old 08-16-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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I've stayed at the MGM in Las Vegas. Other than the breakfast buffet, I don't think we ate there. My in-laws used to live there so my MIL thought it was a good hotel for families. We always had kids with us so we found that buffets work the best.

Las Vegas buffets are the BEST. The best breakfast is at Paris Casino. I think there is a strategic reason for not having a buffet in Springfield MGM - keeps the Golden Corral patrons away. Plus, of course, Las Vegas gets 40 million visitors a year and all the properties are trying to lure them with the best offerings.
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Old 08-16-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Piers can't work in this respect. This is the entire foundation and if it's multiple pours they have to test it on all walls. It could just be one wall but until it is tested they don't know.

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It's not jacking up the whole house, removing the existing foundation, and pouring a new one.
But that IS what's going on right now. Look just answer me this. Don't you think if it could be done with piers for 10K they would have done so by now? Don't you think a building inspector would have said that by now or the state of ct? One mason here says he can bring the cost down to 75K but again that's much more than 10k. https://fox61.com/2017/07/26/contrac...undations-fix/

Why would I care? Because it is causing housing to go up in the area. Not everyone wants to get tested because they are afraid to do so. Ultimately people have to come forward and get tested. There are some staying in homes falling apart and that's just sad. The state can probably pay for the testing.

Winchester is fine I have no argument with that but the scale of this is in tens of thousands of homes. We don't have the amount of contractors to do this work. The backlog could take years and that's what's troubling. We have a significant deficit of people in the trades.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/...for-university

Based on demand alone prices could go up further. So like I said a 400K home in longmeadow falls apart and is then valued at 100k. Meanwhile a 75K home in springfield flips for 225K. Even if it is being fixed it could be a few months of renting or finding some other place. This is why I've seen sort term rentals pop up in CT and it isn't students. Even if you could get it fixed would you want to if some neighbors walk away? Springfield housing is up 9% this year and expected another 8% next year. https://www.zillow.com/springfield-ma/home-values/ In any market that's pretty high for growth.

If someone is making six figures in the area they are probably making it in springfield but living somewhere else. With that in mind if they can't live where they are in CT they could just decide to move closer to work.

When you see a decline or a rise of one place it has ramifications in others. Another example is when the Yankee plant closed in Vernon Vermont. You had easily 600 people or more making 100K in an area where $15/hr is good money. That economic loss ripples into places like Greenfield.
https://www.gazettenet.com/Archives/...NOMY-HG-012615

When you have an area dominated by one industry and that declines there's always a ripple of a loss. In this case the local governments of these towns are likely to have significant layoffs due to homes no longer being considered homes as you cannot tax it the same way. That's also why I say that there is growth in springfield not so much due to the actions but general consolidations around it.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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I heard a little rumor Bruno Mars might be at the opener but it's hard to say. I know of drum band that was supposed to perform but things changed so it's hard to say.
I don't know about Bruno Mars, but this morning the Dropkick Murphys announced an appearance at the Plaza on the 25th. Tickets are $10 and the proceeds are going to the Thomas Sullivan Foundation.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dropkic...ts-48483886610

Assuming I'm still unemployed, I'll probably walk the neighborhood so I can hear it.
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