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Old 04-17-2008, 06:40 AM
 
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One thing to add from skytrekkers point...there are many folks who are now in control that are in the "growth sakes" camp. It's basically the same bunch of Marty McGillicuddies that decorated Manchester with the Buckland Hill development in Connecticut. While retail was needed east of Hartford, they did it in a way that was so hideously ugly and thoroughly lacking in any taste....and trashed a beautiful overlook in the process. They are bunch that really dont care what happens AFTERWARDS....they are more concerned at getting the contruction projects and often construction projects at taxpayers expense for the own self interest and corrupt/parochial buddies.
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Old 04-17-2008, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Beautiful New England
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You need to read the amendment more clearly. "Subject of the Jurisdiction of. Why would they throw that little term of legal ambiquity in there? Babies born in this country from illegal aliens are not subject to the jurisdication of this country because they aren't supposed to be here in the first place.
Once again, you're flat out wrong. Illegal aliens in the U.S. are subject to the jurisdiction of U.S. law. Illegals who violate the law -- by robbing a bank, speeding down the interstate, or simply crossing into the U.S. illegally -- are subject to prosecution and/or penalty under U.S law. They are NOT above U.S. law.

As I noted in my previous post, the only people in the U.S. who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. are foreign diplomats (and their families) who are stationed here by their respective governments to conduct diplomatic buisness. This language in the constuition ("subject to the jurisdiction tehreof") prevents diplomats from making a residential claim based upon childbirth and thus enables the U.S. government to expel them at any time and for any reason.

Illegal immigrants are subject to the jurisdiction of the laws of the U.S., and so are their children. Thus, if their children are born in the U.S. they are automatically citizens by virtue of the U.S. Constitution. There is no loophole at all. No law passed by Congress can change this--it can only be changed via constitutional amendment (i.e. 2/3 vote in the U.S. House and Senate, and then approval by 3/4 of the states).
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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One thing to add from skytrekkers point...there are many folks who are now in control that are in the "growth sakes" camp. It's basically the same bunch of Marty McGillicuddies that decorated Manchester with the Buckland Hill development in Connecticut. While retail was needed east of Hartford, they did it in a way that was so hideously ugly and thoroughly lacking in any taste....and trashed a beautiful overlook in the process. They are bunch that really dont care what happens AFTERWARDS....they are more concerned at getting the contruction projects and often construction projects at taxpayers expense for the own self interest and corrupt/parochial buddies.
I agree

in Vernon where I live- they voted against a Home Depot and a Super Walmart-Manchester has made huge mistakes- and the towns quality of life has suffered.
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