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Old 01-09-2020, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Columbia SC
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???

Depends how you define metro west. There's plenty of diversity and affordability in the pioneer valley.
That is a joke, right?
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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???

Depends how you define metro west. There's plenty of diversity and affordability in the pioneer valley.

First off, pioneer valley is nowhere near metrowest.

Holyoke Chicopee Springfield and Amherst is not "plenty of diversity". A ton of Puerto Ricans in 3 adjacent cities towns with a handful of black folks outside of Central Spfld and some professors kids in Amherst doesn't equate to a ton of diversity.
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Metrowest is kind of in a slow decay too despite rising prices. Was driving around Newton and the much vaunted Waban area yesterday, saw lots of areas that look faded. Not a lot of economic vitality. Winter doesn't help the aesthetics, but I couldn't help utter out "is this it? is this worth millions of dollars? is this the best we can do?" It's all so bland and blah.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Metrowest is kind of in a slow decay too despite rising prices. Was driving around Newton and the much vaunted Waban area yesterday, saw lots of areas that look faded. Not a lot of economic vitality. Winter doesn't help the aesthetics, but I couldn't help utter out "is this it? is this worth millions of dollars? is this the best we can do?" It's all so bland and blah.
Hasn't Waban and other more dense part of metro west always look somewhat faded/weathered? They still look nice and historic and cohesive though. Obviously the homes themselves aren't worth the money but the location and neighbors are-to some people.

Waban: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3282...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3243...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3261...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3232...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3263...7i13312!8i6656

if thats decline, sign me up
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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First off, pioneer valley is nowhere near metrowest.

Holyoke Chicopee Springfield and Amherst is not "plenty of diversity". A ton of Puerto Ricans in 3 adjacent cities towns with a handful of black folks outside of Central Spfld and some professors kids in Amherst doesn't equate to a ton of diversity.
I didn't say it was but there's plenty of activity.

There's a ton of diversity in the pioneer valley. It isn't just Puerto Ricans.

Holyoke has plenty of Irish. The st Patricks day parade is huge

Chicopee has plenty of Polish.

Handful of blackfolk? Uh.....have you even been here? Is boston on this list?
https://www.masslive.com/news/2016/0...lists_spr.html
The city is almost 25% black so I don't see how you say a handful. Why would we have a Springfield's Caribbean Festival if there were a handful? Then there's the Jazz and Roots Festival...seriously dude...

Then there's the lebanese church and restaurants.

Jamaicans came over during ww 2
Vietnamese came over during the 1980s (mostly the X area)

Of course there were all the gay bars back in the day, there's a openly gay mayor in Holyoke and certainly in Northampton you have a high gay population.

I'm in walking distance of a African supermarket/store, Italian restaurants, German, Japanese, BBQ, Lebanese, Indian, cajun etc.

Where I live we have people that are doing their residency at Baystate. I met students from Jordan, Lebanon and Canada. Higher education attracts people from other areas and there's four institutions in Springfield alone and UMass Amherst is without question much larger than any other UMass Campus.

So yes there is plenty of diversity. Of course it is not built up as much as boston but it's more spread out. I91 and the river connects the area and going further south to hartford and new haven for a region.

Housing isn't exactly slowing down here but there are issues with the state building code that have prevented updates from being cost effective (30% rule). The foundation problem in CT is also in Mass. There's an estimated 2,000 homes that could have issues. This is going to drive up prices and rents.

https://www.masslive.com/news/2020/0...undations.html

It's one thing to argue about the lack of housing production. But if you actually see homes being taken off that aren't even on it that can easily drive up demand. Much of western mass is consolidating to springfield.
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Old 01-10-2020, 12:05 PM
 
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I thought MetroWest was centered on Framingham? The Mass Pike/Route 9 towns west of 128 and inside 495. When did Newton, inside 128, become part of MetroWest? And the Pioneer Valley???? I've seen a broad definition that included the 495 belt north to Acton, west as far as Shrewsbury, and south on 495 most of the way to Route 1.
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Old 01-10-2020, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I didn't say it was but there's plenty of activity.

There's a ton of diversity in the pioneer valley. It isn't just Puerto Ricans.

Holyoke has plenty of Irish. The st Patricks day parade is huge

Chicopee has plenty of Polish.

Handful of blackfolk? Uh.....have you even been here? Is boston on this list?
https://www.masslive.com/news/2016/0...lists_spr.html
The city is almost 25% black so I don't see how you say a handful. Why would we have a Springfield's Caribbean Festival if there were a handful? Then there's the Jazz and Roots Festival...seriously dude...

Then there's the lebanese church and restaurants.

Jamaicans came over during ww 2
Vietnamese came over during the 1980s (mostly the X area)

Of course there were all the gay bars back in the day, there's a openly gay mayor in Holyoke and certainly in Northampton you have a high gay population.

I'm in walking distance of a African supermarket/store, Italian restaurants, German, Japanese, BBQ, Lebanese, Indian, cajun etc.

Where I live we have people that are doing their residency at Baystate. I met students from Jordan, Lebanon and Canada. Higher education attracts people from other areas and there's four institutions in Springfield alone and UMass Amherst is without question much larger than any other UMass Campus.

So yes there is plenty of diversity. Of course it is not built up as much as boston but it's more spread out. I91 and the river connects the area and going further south to hartford and new haven for a region.

Housing isn't exactly slowing down here but there are issues with the state building code that have prevented updates from being cost effective (30% rule). The foundation problem in CT is also in Mass. There's an estimated 2,000 homes that could have issues. This is going to drive up prices and rents.

https://www.masslive.com/news/2020/0...undations.html

It's one thing to argue about the lack of housing production. But if you actually see homes being taken off that aren't even on it that can easily drive up demand. Much of western mass is consolidating to springfield.
Springfield is diverse but the pioneer valley as a whole isn't .I Irish and Polish are everywhere in the northern US-not unique. Springfield is 40% puerto Rican (45% latino) and less than 2% asian and 19% black. and about 32% white. Its diverse but nowhere else out there is really.

1. Tallahassee, Florida
2. Lansing, Michigan
3. North Las Vegas, Nevada
4. York, Pennsylvania
5. La Vergne, Tennessee
6. Springfield
7. Stockbridge, Georgia
8. Horn Lake, Mississippi
9. Lawton, Oklahoma
10. Frankfort, Kentucky

Might be one of THE absolute least credible lists i've seen in some odd years.

try this one from citylab:https://www.citylab.com/equity/2020/...-women/604384/

DC
Boston
Baltimore
Raleigh
Dallas
Greensboro
Atlanta
Houston
LA
Orlando
Charlotte
New York

makes a lot more sense right?
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey (prev. Boston, NY, Florida)
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Metrowest is kind of in a slow decay too despite rising prices. Was driving around Newton and the much vaunted Waban area yesterday, saw lots of areas that look faded. Not a lot of economic vitality. Winter doesn't help the aesthetics, but I couldn't help utter out "is this it? is this worth millions of dollars? is this the best we can do?" It's all so bland and blah.
You don't seem happy in Greater Boston...
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Old 01-13-2020, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Zillow predict homes declining home values in core Boston areas
-.8% in Boston next year and -.5% in Somerville, -1.3% in Weston ,-2.2% in Milton which already saw declines this year

modest gains in other lower priced areas and bigger gains in Worcester, Lowell and Brockton.

Boston:https://www.zillow.com/boston-ma/home-values/

Somerville:https://www.zillow.com/somerville-ma/home-values/

Milton:https://www.zillow.com/milton-ma/home-values/

Weston:https://www.zillow.com/weston-ma/home-values/
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:04 AM
 
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I‘ll be suprised if there’s a decline in Milton. Surprising in Weston too.
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