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Old 03-25-2022, 03:58 PM
 
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These are the data for all the counties of MA (net population change)

Massachusetts -37497
Barnstable County 3442
Berkshire County -101
Bristol County 992
Dukes County 516
Essex County -2144
Franklin County 27
Hampden County -2190
Hampshire County -492
Middlesex County -14680
Nantucket County 247
Norfolk County -1520
Plymouth County 2024
Suffolk County -24186
Worcester County 568

Metro areas

Boston MSA -36579
Springfield MSA -2655
Worcester MSA 746


CSA
Boston-Worcester-Providence -28611

https://www2.census.gov/programs-sur...ets/2020-2021/
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Old 03-25-2022, 04:09 PM
 
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COL, poor schools, abundant bike lanes taking away car lanes, bussing. Thats hostile. Boston si one of the most childless cities in the US only SF is worse I think. Surely wasnt always that way.
My guess is that the COL is basically the only thing that matters and it is why people are moving.
If the other things you mentioned mattered you would see Boston losing population to the advantage of the suburbs (like it was for decades until not too long ago) where services schools etc are great.
Instead Essex, Middlesex and Norfolk are all losing population because the COL of living is too high not just in Boston but in the entire inner metro.
I bet town-level data will show population loss in those counties in the expensive inner circle r4ather than the rest.
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Old 03-25-2022, 04:13 PM
 
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Also keep in mind the majority of people accounting for Boston area population growth are not rooted here like timberline.




They’re not wed to this area.
Our growth is overwhelmingly foreign. More than basically anywhere else.

Boston area population lost 2020-2021-6495614b-b9a8-4044-92fe-15ab02ea6305.png
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Old 03-25-2022, 05:55 PM
 
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I don’t see the big deal about living with roommates in ones 20s. Once people start getting into their late 20s though and can’t afford to rent a single bedroom apartment they’re likely going to move somewhere else if they can’t find a better paying job.

I wonder how many people in Boston have stayed in a bad relationship because they couldn’t afford to live alone. Probably a lot. I’m sure people stayed in other unhealthy living situations to get by.
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Old 03-25-2022, 05:57 PM
 
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Our growth is overwhelmingly foreign. More than basically anywhere else.

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I’d believe it. I’m on pretty small team at work yet people are from all over the world. The immigrants coming here are well educated.
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Old 03-25-2022, 06:42 PM
 
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I’d believe it. I’m on pretty small team at work yet people are from all over the world. The immigrants coming here are well educated.
Foreign born people are not only highly educated but the ones who can’t get a high paying job are way more used to living in what most Americans consider substandard housing and cramped living conditions. Ipso facto Boston’s generally poor housing quality for high price is a lesser adjustment to them than for standard native born Americans.

Tha explain the high number of native born Americans moving out while immigrants come in. Once they’re kids get older they eventually move to. It is a system that works for the powers that be.

But yea I highly highly doubt people are going to boomerang back to Boston.
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Old 03-25-2022, 06:51 PM
 
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That’s true about not minding the living situations coming from, in many situations squalor but they must be paying a lot more to live here than where they came from. I guess they don’t mind. One girl is from Ireland and has a PhD in genetics. Ireland isn’t necessarily a bad country to live in but I’m sure she had more job opportunities here.

If people need jobs they will come. Other places have jobs too though right ?
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Old 03-25-2022, 07:17 PM
 
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Not just squalor they’re just used to density and multigenerational living shared living quarters- that’s everywhere, including Europe. But most immigrants aren’t from Europe anyway. If you’re not wealthy American or wed to Boston then it’s not really pulling as much as we say on this forum int he grand scheme of things- compared to the 2000s and to legacy cities it did very well by hitting the national average. Mostly by out pack by all other legacy cities on inward immigration per capita. Boston area is just very very used to slow growth and low levels of development.
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Old 03-25-2022, 07:28 PM
 
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So why are the low skilled immigrants still coming to Boston? You think they would start finding other cities as well.
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Old 03-25-2022, 07:38 PM
 
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So why are the low skilled immigrants still coming to Boston? You think they would start finding other cities as well.
Because they get free stuff here along with better schools and healthcare would be my guess.
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