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Old 12-19-2008, 02:48 PM
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Well then for heaven's sake, stay on the east coast. I don't know what the point is in bashing our city when you don't live here.

And maybe I'm blind, but someone making $75k a year doing anything other than dealing drugs is going to have better grammar and spelling that what we've seen in recent threads on here. What gives??

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If you noticed the folks who do live in those expensive homes have either created their wealth in another state then moved to Memphis or that is old money. I am talking about new money. Travel anywhere to the east coast. I live in MD and a $500k home is normal price. You will find in these new communities are filled with young families in their 30's who are buying $500k and up homes with no problem.
These corporations are not consider major companies ok. What is the average income per house hold in Memphis here in my county the average income is over 100k. To live on the east coast your family have to make at least $75k to survive.

I do not see or hear people leaving DC/MD/VA/California/New York/Boston and other high income areas for better paying jobs in Memphis because their are none. Homeownership is not well taught in Memphis most people would rather rent.
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:54 PM
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If you noticed the folks who do live in those expensive homes have either created their wealth in another state then moved to Memphis or that is old money. I am talking about new money. Travel anywhere to the east coast. I live in MD and a $500k home is normal price. You will find in these new communities are filled with young families in their 30's who are buying $500k and up homes with no problem.
These corporations are not consider major companies ok. What is the average income per house hold in Memphis here in my county the average income is over 100k. To live on the east coast your family have to make at least $75k to survive.

I do not see or hear people leaving DC/MD/VA/California/New York/Boston and other high income areas for better paying jobs in Memphis because their are none. Homeownership is not well taught in Memphis most people would rather rent.
If you live in MD, what's your beef with Memphis? So the average income in your area is $100K....that's meaningless without taking cost of living into consideration. How much house do you get there for $500K? Probably a lot less than here. Bet your property taxes are a lot higher too. Got a state income tax? We don't. It's pointless to attempt a direct comparison of cities in different regions. Compare your area to NYC or San Francisco and you'd see the same disparity.

"Homeownership is not well taught in Memphis most people would rather rent."

Taught by who? Virtually everyone I know has been a homeowner since early adulthood - and most of the people I know aren't wealthy. That comment simply shows how uninformed you are about this area.
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:27 PM
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I have nothing against Memphis but what I am trying to get to is Memphis need better local government. If the city need/want to attract higher income jobs/companies the city need to do better.

My husband is from Memphis and some of his family members still live in Memphis and the family members who have moved out of Memphis will never move back due to the fact it have nothing to offer those who want to move up in life. When my husband's family members call us it is always oh do you remember that mall/store or business well it have been closed. The rest of his family who want a better paying job are planning on moving out of Memphis.
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:38 PM
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There are nine Fortune 1000 companies headquartered in Memphis. That's 7.03 Fortune 1000 companies for every one million people in the Memphis MSA. That makes the Memphis MSA #15 in terms of Fortune 1000 companies per capita. Yet, the Memphis MSA is #41 in terms of population. Memphis is way outperforming itself in terms of the number of solid, profitable companies (most of which pay quite well) locating there.

Not to mention that Memphis has one of the best small business incubators in the nation (EmergeMemphis). The Renaissance Business Center, Mid-South Minority Business Council, and many other agencies and organizations are quite helpful to those looking to start small businesses.

There are things wrong with Memphis, but business environment is generally not one of them.
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Old 12-19-2008, 04:13 PM
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If these companies pay so well then why is real estate so cheap. Areas with high paying jobs have expensive real Estate. What is quite well? The average person in Memphis do not have money which is why Real Estate does not move in Memphis. I know few people in Memphis who are in Real Estate and the average loan amount in Memphis is in the low 100k or lower loan amount/sales price. That is horrible and for you to brag about a city that is nationally ranked as one of the worst city in America.
Maybe you are one of those back word thinking people in Memphis.
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Old 12-19-2008, 04:22 PM
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Did you go to school in Maryland?

Have you ever actually been to Memphis? If so, was it more than just a brief visit?

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Old 12-20-2008, 11:35 PM
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I love this thread, reminds me of this fun classic. Please don’t close. I’ve subscribed so let's keep the action rolling. Thank you.

My highest level of formal education achieved was from a public high school, albeit NOT from Memphis, and I believe we should recognize the merits of our OP...

When considering Memphis as a whole, Twilson174 (the OP) is part of our better educated and open-minded populace. Twilson174 is earning college credits and possesses the necessary skills to communicate within this forum. With that said, it's safe to assume he's already in the upper 50 percentile range for a Memphian!

Some Memphis positives:
  • Low cost of living.
  • Super fast shipping (for both sending and receiving).
  • Moderate temperatures.
  • Largest city by population in Tennessee.
  • A plethora of incredible restaurants to choose from. Best steaks IMHO.
  • Relatively short commute to my relatives in Arkansas (I’d definitely rather live here than some small village in AR).
  • Good southern hospitality as overwhelming majority of the people here are friendly and courteous (from my experience at least).
The dreadful negatives of Memphis:
Alarmingly high poverty rate. Percentage of Memphis residents living in poverty in 2007: 26.2%
This rate will likely escalate in the short term (next 1 to 3 years) as credit lines are reduced by the trillions, our currency crumbles due to mass inflation (Fed printing dollars at an unprecedented pace), and reported unemployment surpasses 10% (which translates to 20% in reality, everyone knows the govt #'s are rose painted).

Hopefully the remaining homeowners will hunker down and weather the economic storm that is coming and will not flee to safety in the burbs. Can you imagine Memphis with a poverty rate approaching 40%? This is a highly probable scenario. I don’t want to be a fear monger but this isn’t your typical global recession, it’s a crisis that occurs once a century/lifetime. Acknowledging that that 2008 was a year of record wealth destruction and mass deleveraging I'd estimate the Memphis poverty rate to easily exceed 30%. Agreed? Remember, the stock market crash is a forecast of things to come as it is a forward thinking mechanism.

Crime will get worse before it gets better. Our foreclosures will escalate as ALT-A rate adjustments kick in (2009 to 2013). Commercial real estate is headed into a depression and perhaps we as a nation are too. Even President Elect Obama tells us things will get worse before they get better.

Yet people are still actively shopping and eating at local restaurants, seemingly oblivious to the economic turmoil that is brewing. Enjoy the good times while they last. Go Tigers!
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If you noticed the folks who do live in those expensive homes have either created their wealth in another state then moved to Memphis or that is old money. I am talking about new money. Travel anywhere to the east coast. I live in MD and a $500k home is normal price. You will find in these new communities are filled with young families in their 30's who are buying $500k and up homes with no problem.
These corporations are not consider major companies ok. What is the average income per house hold in Memphis here in my county the average income is over 100k. To live on the east coast your family have to make at least $75k to survive.

I do not see or hear people leaving DC/MD/VA/California/New York/Boston and other high income areas for better paying jobs in Memphis because their are none. Homeownership is not well taught in Memphis most people would rather rent.
Hey buddy, I have a friend who is 30 and just moved here from CA. He works at fedex and probably makes 160k+ and bought a house in collierville.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:16 AM
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I am not at all a Memphis fan. But if we're going to go for the positives, the University of Tennessee at Memphis is actually a strong teaching hospital and is absolutely an asset to the area. Part of that stems from the poor health habits of the Memphis city populace. Our trauma unit is one of the best in the country for a reason, as well--high rates of gun shot wounds will do that for you.

So the medical community here is an asset in many regards, though certain hospitals and their staff are far less than desireable. Unionized and un-fireable *ahem* federal employees will do that for you...

There is quite a bit of historical architecture in these parts. More than what you see in even older cities like Knoxville or Nashville, for instance. Homes of the historical import you see here would go for double to triple, if not quadruple, what they sell for here in Memphis.

We do have quite a nice variety of private schools, though that is largely a function of the poor public schools along with the lively church communities we have.

And the church communities are absolutely an asset to the city. They provide a strong spiritual foundation, social outlet, and charitable foundation to a city that needs at least #1 and #3.

Traffic here isn't bad at all. Just the thought of Atlanta in rush hour... Or even Nashville.

There. I'm feeling generous today.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:02 PM
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I know one negative: residents who would rather whine/bit ch about problems than do something constructive to resolve them, lol.

Positives: Many have been mentioned before. We have a solid corporate base. People mention FedEx, IP, AZO, ServiceMaster, First Horizon, the ones that are based here, and where the execs are based. That's great. But there are other companies with major operations here (I'm going to actual use something I normally see as a negative as a positive): Hilton, Sofamor-Danek, etc. I HATE sellouts such as what occurred with UP, NCBC, ConcordEFS, etc. Those corporate leaders are as bad as whiny residents, and perhaps help create the atmosphere of malaise that you don't see as much in cities like Denver (where FirstData is based, purchaser of ConcordEFS, who then siphoned that company and its revenue from the Memphis economy).

I've always felt that Memphis is too nice. Too hospitable. The atmosphere here is almost to the extent of doing whatever it takes to help other cities' economies and self-esteem than our own. We must become more boosterish, more cut-throat in competition. More defensive. More militant in demanding improvement, and demanding attitudes that support improvement: whini/bit chiness without constructive suggestions and an energy to help (little ways to help do make a difference, see Residents for a Safer Downtown Memphis) is as much of a blight on any community as poverty, crime, and lack of education -- it helps to siphon hope from the next generation by imposing artificial ceilings. Think about the attitudes that you spread like a virus -- they can either be positive or negative. If I'm going to be a virus, I want to be a virus of optimism.

Other positives: St. Jude, Baker Donelson (one of the largest law firms in the nation).

Positives to look for in the future: Univ. of Memphis law school's move downtown should help it in academic standings and help re-energize a somewhat plateauing downtown (we already have Rhodes and CBU, but we really need either or preferably both U of M and Ole Miss to rise in reputation because we need a top-50 research university -- most major cities have at least one, unfortunately, most of those cities they are private; unless Rhodes or CBU expands its mission, that would be an unlikely scenario); LeBonheur's expansion and world-class aspirations; the creation of something of a theater district near Playhouse on the Square. Memphis is neither immune from nor alone in sharing in the pain of the global recession, and that hinders some immediate positives, but hopefully when the economy comes back many of the projects designed to reflect optimism in and energy of Memphis will resurface (such as some of the high-rises).

Also, the region is acknowledging the importance of walkable neighborhoods and steering away from vehicular-centered developments that gave birth to Winchester and G'town Parkway sprawl. Examples of this gradual shift include Germantown's master plan to create dense developments and a walkable center and the U of M/Highland's exploration of a similar nature development. We need more of the latter (wide sidewalks with cafes, buildings that aren't fronted by acres of asphalt, people walking everywhere) and less of the latter (the oceans of asphalt and scurrying of cars that predominate suburbia not just here but elsewhere that prevent pedestrians from having any sense of confidence that they can use their legs and lungs as transportation devices and concomitantly improve their health). I am along the same vein heartened by a gradual trend toward creating more running and walking trails that connect neighborhoods. If Memphis can do one thing (besides a boost in defensiveness and self-esteem), I would like to see a concerted focus across party and racial lines on encouraging exercise -- increase bike lanes, increase miles of park trails and sidewalks, have a demonstrable rise in walkable developments, increase penalties for hitting bikes and pedestrians. Many things can help that objective that do not require government involvement, but most require government action. None of us will acknowledge that we are bad drivers, or that we are neglectful, dismissive, or even hostile to bikers or pedestrians who inconvenience our driving patterns, but we all know someone who is and we are too lazy, cowardly, or cruel to speak up. Including me. That changes for me this year. And hopefully next year, the change you see is me returning home.

It's also good to note that SFX (owner of Graceland) is not backing down in its plans to rehab that area. That's great news and in line with the creation of the aerotropolis that would assist the corporations down there like Pinnacle, Buckman Labs, Swift (which bought MS Carriers -- a Memphis company), and Medtronic.

Haven't even touched on the music. The unique atmosphere. The literature. The food. The fact that as logistically blessed as Memphis has been, the next 10-15 years will increase those blessings many times over. Memphis is really a blank book ready for a masterpiece to be written upon. Are we going to be contributing writers? Or are we part of the consumptive audience that demands immediate gratification from others?

I'd love to get into where the areas of improvement for Memphis can be, what those improvements could be, and how it can get done (what must require government assistance/guidance, what can be done on a grassroots level). That goal must wait as, alas, I must work. To make money. To return to Memphis.

There are tens of thousands in Memphis that love it, that want it to improve because of that love, that want it to achieve its world-class potential even if they can't see it. There are thousands that I am convinced can see a world-class potential, but have difficulty realizing how to get it there. I know there are hundreds who have not just the love, not just the vision, but the plan to help us get it done. And there are probably dozens among them with the leadership to mobilize others. And then there are some of the folks on this forum. Who want attention from others as they claim they are seeking to leave. Like the runaway 5 year old son, apparently. If you're serious about running away, then go. And if you don't want to contribute anything constructive in the process, but leave destructive comments in your wake, fine, that's your legacy, and that is not a reflection on anyone else.

Even in my current city, though, I am seeking to improve it even though it's not a long-term home. Even though I miss Memphis and it still dominates my civic-mindedness, criticizing my current town without constructive input is a deleterious reflection of one's impact on their community. And, heck, if I do things right, I can learn lessons I can apply when I come to Memphis.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness approach to this. Don't have too much time to reflect, plan, and organize a more well-thought-out post.

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