Are arrogant people mentally healthy? (psychiatric, deal, feeling, father)

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by jaijai

There's a difference between self confidence / faith in oneself and arrogance.
And it is possible to have confidence in oneself but have humility as well.

arrogance has gotten a very bad rap of late , its fallen into the evil category , thier are degrees of arrogance

good arrogance is someone like mohamed ali who rightfully sees himself as head and shoulders among his peers , clay could never have achieved what he did by being humble

bad arrogance is someone like an unelected dictator who thinks leadership is his birthright

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by Oleg Bach

To much pride can make you blind and very unpleasant to be around. Mental health depends on levels of joy...liking people brings more joy than arrogance..so the more happiness generated from others through -reasonable humility...and absorbed by you..keeps you healthy in every way.

its not a one size fits all , someone who grew up with an abusive parents and who had to build thier self worth entirely through personal achievement , they will not be as laid back , casual and well rounded as someone who grew up in a solid middle class family where love was unconditional , thier insecurity may be masked by what appears to be pride , competition and a somewhat serious demeanor

not everyone can be like the budha

thier is nothing more arrogant than someone who thinks its thier duty to offer free amateur psychoanalysis as a way of improoving others to a standard that can ( in thier eyes ) be tollerated , people like that are dangerous

[AnonChick]

Originally Posted by CArizona

AnonChick...There are times when we all need a few "wake-up calls" in order to grow. (And this includes me too!)..Sometimes we need to be "put in our place" and "brought down to earth" when we're not treating other people "fairly."...Some people are afraid to challenge authority or the so-called "experts" of society or the "elite" and "well-to-do." This is where I might step-in to help someone out. I'll "do battle" for them and take-on their "oppressors." I'm not intimidated very easily!

That's fine, as long as you understand that what you say -you- do, is the epitome of arrogance. That is what arrogance IS - the belief that you are more "correct" than someone else, to the extent that you feel it is your job to correct them - when it isn't your job.

If you were a manager and part of your job was to put wayward employees in their place, that would be a job responsibility.

But you're doing this because you have decreed that they "need" to be taken down, put in their place. This is the exact, very, specific, perfect example of arrogance. Believing that -you- are entitled to put someone else in their place.

So as long as you understand that this makes you the very thing you claim to be against, it's all good.

[jaijai]

Nah.
Intellectual constructs that are not applicable / accurate.
Read sub-text and "see" with your heart instead of your head.
And there are people who are naturally inclined to take on "bullies". If their intention is pure (and it's my impression that CArizona's are) it absolutely is not "the epitome of arrogance".

[CArizona]

AnonChick...Thanks for your concern! I feel "ok" about challenging authority when need be for myself and for others if they ask me for help. Right now I'm an "advocate" for my son when he runs into doctors who "talk-down" to him. Or a few nurses who play silly passive-aggressive "games" with him at times...He's in a vulnerable position right now. He's recovering from brain tumor surgeries. (Two tumors and two surgeries within a five-month period.)...Anyway I don't go "power-crazy." I just want to make sure that the people I care about are treated "fairly" and with the dignity and respect they deserve.

[AnonChick]

Originally Posted by CArizona

AnonChick...Thanks for your concern! I feel "ok" about challenging authority when need be for myself and for others if they ask me for help. Right now I'm an "advocate" for my son when he runs into doctors who "talk-down" to him. Or a few nurses who play silly passive-aggressive "games" with him at times...He's in a vulnerable position right now. He's recovering from brain tumor surgeries. (Two tumors and two surgeries within a five-month period.)...Anyway I don't go "power-crazy." I just want to make sure that the people I care about are treated "fairly" and with the dignity and respect they deserve.

That's because you're responsible for your son. That's not being arrogant, it's being protective of someone whose life relies on you.

In your prior post you didn't specify this was about your child. You worded it in such a way that I understood it to mean you just - would see what -you- felt was people being arrogant, in general (such as, some random person at a party, or in the shopping mall), and would step in and put them in their place.

THAT, to me, IS arrogance. And that was what I interpreted from your post. And that was why I responded as I did.

If you're just protecting your own child, then obviously it doesn't apply to you at all - since protecting your child is your job, which I alluded to in a prior post (though I meant a paying job, not a parenting job but the same is true for either - responsibility is responsibility)

[Lone-Ranger]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

crazy?? not every time, but the sheep will gladly follow them to their deaths.
the fatal flaw of the nice guy, lack of confidence, its like skunk juice to women.
bek of your caution, she will pick a confident loser every time over u.

That's just utter nonsense, i know some real life heroes, you know those one's that do darring covert hostage rescue or put a bad guy 6ft under somewhere in the middle east, their confidence in themselves and comrades are second to none and yet they are some of the nicest mundane looking individuals you'll ever come accross, hardly an arrogant bunch until they do a number but thats because they do it for country.

[ImCurlybelle]

At one time, I had a tendency to be attracted to men with very strong personalities- Type A personalities, that were very accomplished and successful in business, but weak in the social scene. Additionally, slightly arrogant, pompous, and needed constant ego tweaking ... It all started out dandy, but man, it was a lot of work and got exasperating after a while. lol

I've taken some significant time off from dating because of this - to step back, and ask why I like these type of not-so-nice people.

My cousin is like this - he owns his own business, very successful, just bought his wife a mansion. But, he's not the nicest guy- very arrogant, pompous, and ego maniac. He comes across as confident, but he's not at all- he's weak. He berates his employees, tells them they're always going to be factory workers ... He's a loser. He's a cousin by marriage, I swear, his wife stays for the money.

[virgode]

Originally Posted by Lone-Ranger

That's just utter nonsense, i know some real life heroes, you know those one's that do darring covert hostage rescue or put a bad guy 6ft under somewhere in the middle east, their confidence in themselves and comrades are second to none and yet they are some of the nicest mundane looking individuals you'll ever come accross, hardly an arrogant bunch until they do a number but thats because they do it for country.

The nonsense seems to be centered around his dislike of women.

Originally Posted by AnonChick

That's fine, as long as you understand that what you say -you- do, is the epitome of arrogance. That is what arrogance IS - the belief that you are more "correct" than someone else, to the extent that you feel it is your job to correct them - when it isn't your job.

If you were a manager and part of your job was to put wayward employees in their place, that would be a job responsibility.

But you're doing this because you have decreed that they "need" to be taken down, put in their place. This is the exact, very, specific, perfect example of arrogance. Believing that -you- are entitled to put someone else in their place.

So as long as you understand that this makes you the very thing you claim to be against, it's all good.

Normally I agree with your posts, this one, not so much.

Challenging authority is something I've always done, I quess I'm arrogant.

[CArizona]

I do have a "protective nature." If a "bully" (from any walk of life) is giving someone a "bad time" and the "run-around" I will step in and help if need be...I know that "bullies" can be "scary" and intimidating to many people. This is how they stay in a "one-up position." (Through fear and intimidation.) ...To me it's all about the movie "The Wizard of Oz." The so-called "wizard" was able to keep control of the town by making "scary noises" through his machines...In reality he was just an average man and not a "monster" or "supreme being." The character "Dorothy" in the movie (and story) was the only one who had the guts and courage to risk coming "face-to-face" with the "wizard." Everyone else was too afraid...I grew-up with a Dad who could be great most of the time. But every so often he had "rage-attacks" and turned into a mean and vicious "monster." He scared me when I was young but as I grew older I saw through all of his "smoke-screens" and "noises" and "vile words" etc..I didn't run and "hide" anymore. I stood my "ground" with him and told him to "grow-up" and stop acting so "crazy!"...Anyway people can "foam at the mouth" and throw a "fit" and do one "head-trip" after another but it doesn't usually "phase me" or "scare me away."