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Old 06-04-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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If you fail in education, career, etc.

I just want your opinion on this.

If you had an irreparable failure in something you consider your main priority in life.

and if you believe that you became nothing but a waste of oxygen
and decided that you no longer want to live

...........

If your answer is yes, how would you justify this to those you love?

Is a silly suicide note enough?

If not, would you live miserable for good, only to make them happy.

Isn't that selfishness of them?



...............
Sorry, just random, unorganized thoughts.

 
Old 06-04-2012, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally Posted by lil kitty View Post
If you fail in education, career, etc.

I just want your opinion on this.

If you had an irreparable failure in something you consider your main priority in life.

and if you believe that you became nothing but a waste of oxygen
and decided that you no longer want to live

...........

If your answer is yes, how would you justify this to those you love?

Is a silly suicide note enough?

If not, would you live miserable for good, only to make them happy.

Isn't that selfishness of them?



...............
Sorry, just random, unorganized thoughts.
I've considered all of these things. I've failed (by my standards and society's) in my career and personal life. I thought I'd have a thriving career, good marriage, and kids by this point. I'm 43 and I have NONE of it. Suicide is definitely an option. I guess what stops me is anti-depressants, a couple of good friends, and a small amount of hope that by some miracle things can change if I just hold on long enough. That hope is very small, but just enough for now.

As for family and friends and its affect on them? Well, my Mother is really the only consideration. She's 71 and we're not exactly close. She's a narcissist, so its all about her anyway. She ingrained in me from a young age that I'm "not good enough". She'd have the support of many friends if I did commit suicide. As for friends, they'd be over it within a month. Many have stopped communicating with me due to my situation and sad outlook, so it wouldn't matter to them. The handful I speak with on a regular basis, well, I don't think it would have lasting effects. Life goes on.

I doubt I would leave a note. There would be no need. They know how much of a loser I believe myself to be. No explanation necessary.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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I've considered all of these things. I've failed (by my standards and society's) in my career and personal life. I thought I'd have a thriving career, good marriage, and kids by this point. I'm 43 and I have NONE of it. Suicide is definitely an option. I guess what stops me is anti-depressants, a couple of good friends, and a small amount of hope that by some miracle things can change if I just hold on long enough. That hope is very small, but just enough for now.

As for family and friends and its affect on them? Well, my Mother is really the only consideration. She's 71 and we're not exactly close. She's a narcissist, so its all about her anyway. She ingrained in me from a young age that I'm "not good enough". She'd have the support of many friends if I did commit suicide. As for friends, they'd be over it within a month. Many have stopped communicating with me due to my situation and sad outlook, so it wouldn't matter to them. The handful I speak with on a regular basis, well, I don't think it would have lasting effects. Life goes on.

I doubt I would leave a note. There would be no need. They know how much of a loser I believe myself to be. No explanation necessary.

Hey! A kindred spirit! i just started a new thread titled "Watching other people succeed while you are left behind" before I read this one.
By society's standards I am a complete failure. In my early 40s, unemployed, not married, no kids, no prospects. Everyday is like walking through a wasteland.
It's not that I haven't tried. I have. But ever single thing has turned out to be a total dead end.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Wow, we're like brothers. Twins! Dead end after dead end and unemployed. I'm selling my car and buying a beater because I have to cut expenses even more. Was in a car accident and my insurance tripled! My car has been fixed and is perfect, so now I'm selling it, paying off the loan, and buying a neighbor's car for cash. Life is going the wrong way!!!!
 
Old 06-04-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by lil kitty View Post
If you fail in education, career, etc.

I just want your opinion on this.

If you had an irreparable failure in something you consider your main priority in life.

and if you believe that you became nothing but a waste of oxygen
and decided that you no longer want to live

...........

If your answer is yes, how would you justify this to those you love?

Is a silly suicide note enough?

If not, would you live miserable for good, only to make them happy.

Isn't that selfishness of them?



...............
Sorry, just random, unorganized thoughts.
suicide should be an option if you have absolutely no answers or other viable options for your situation. I don't care about "justifying" it to people, that guilt trip only lasts so long. How do they justify trying to keep someone alive that doesn't want to be nor feel they have a reason to be? they says the suicide people are selfish well

I agree it is very selfish that they want someone to be miserable every freaking day just so they don't have to suffer themselves. everybody wants to say 'oh don't do it!' yet they have no answers on how to actually fix anything, so to hell with them.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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Wow, we're like brothers. Twins! Dead end after dead end and unemployed. I'm selling my car and buying a beater because I have to cut expenses even more. Was in a car accident and my insurance tripled! My car has been fixed and is perfect, so now I'm selling it, paying off the loan, and buying a neighbor's car for cash. Life is going the wrong way!!!!
Yep, and then we get to watch all these people who are doing great. New cars, new houses, a good spouse, etc. Some of these successful people that I know aren't even very smart, they are just lucky.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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Yep, and then we get to watch all these people who are doing great. New cars, new houses, a good spouse, etc. Some of these successful people that I know aren't even very smart, they are just lucky.
You look over the fence and see success but really they could be drowning in debt and at the breaking point of killing their spouse.

Grass is never greener...
 
Old 06-04-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: On the corner of Grey Street
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No, I don't think suicide is ever an option unless maybe I had terminal cancer or some other illness where I knew I would never get better and would die a slow and painful death. As long as I'm healthy and breathing there is always the chance for things to get better.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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You look over the fence and see success but really they could be drowning in debt and at the breaking point of killing their spouse.

Grass is never greener...
People always say that but I don't think it's totally true. Sure people may have some debt but they don't seem to care, I see very few marriages breaking up these days and the ones who do divorce seem to find someone even better in a short amount of time. They may not be totally happy but they have someone. Their jobs may not be great but they are usually good enough.
I'm not saying that these people have perfect lives. Who does? But their lives seem to "flow." One opportunity flows into another. Doors may close but others open.
People don't know how to relate to me because my life doesn't flow and doors close but others do not open despite my best efforts.
 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Stuck on the East Coast, hoping to head West
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Suicide idealization threads aren't appropriate for this forum--or any forum for that matter. Thread closed. Anyone experiencing suicidal tendencies should seek professional help immediately.
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